Manchester Dan
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All shaping up to win it against United.
Which 5 are better? I often find that things get better with age where football memory is concerned. In 10 years time if this season leaves City with the highest goals scored, and highest points ever in PL history, they’ll be cited as one of the best sides ever in PL history (certainly top 5). Yet nothing will have changed other than the passing of time.Still wouldn't have this City team in the top 5 ever PL sides though, would you? Not yet anyway.
If winning it against us and your players rubbing it in our players' faces is what it takes for them to go out and have the motivation to win it next season, then so be it. Personally, I've long since ceded the title and the extra motivation could do us some good, not too dissimilar to the Aguero moment in Fergie's penultimate season.All shaping up to win it against United.
Jesus fecking ChristAll shaping up to win it against United.
Fergie would absolutely have riled the players up if City would win it against us, I wonder if Mourinho is capable of the same? I know he probably has chats with Fergie every now and again so I hope Fergie can convey this to him.If winning it against us and your players rubbing it in our players' faces is what it takes for them to go out and have the motivation to win it next season, then so be it. Personally, I've long since ceded the title and the extra motivation could do us some good, not too dissimilar to the Aguero moment in Fergie's penultimate season.
Yeah, it's difficult to see anyone else winning the league and CL for next 10 years except them tbf. They will probably win the next World Cup too.I can't see them not winning the league next season.
The amount by which the rest of the league has to big.
Looks that way. You might even fill the ground for that oneAll shaping up to win it against United.
Yeah massive feck up wasn't it. Says it all about the board's commercially obsessed complacency around the time Fergie left.How we didn’t get Guardiola is beyond me..
Legacy will always be tainted by the way this City team has been assembled. Just my opinion before you spit your dummy out like usual.Which 5 are better? I often find that things get better with age where football memory is concerned. In 10 years time if this season leaves City with the highest goals scored, and highest points ever in PL history, they’ll be cited as one of the best sides ever in PL history (certainly top 5). Yet nothing will have changed other than the passing of time.
Aye, I'm fairly sure when we played Mourinho's Chelsea in 04-05 just after they'd won the title Fergie wanted us to have a guard of honour not just out of respect but more to anger the players and create a fire wherein they'd be so pissed off at having to give one that they'd want to go out and win it that little bit more. Need a similar reaction now.Fergie would absolutely have riled the players up if City would win it against us, I wonder if Mourinho is capable of the same? I know he probably has chats with Fergie every now and again so I hope Fergie can convey this to him.
Absolutely. Well said. The City and PSG middle east oil projects may well hoover up the worlds best talent over next 5 years or more, alk thanks to the squillions of oil money spunked by Qatar and the UAE but they will never be respected like true independent football clubs such as Barcelona, Bayern, United, Milan or even (loathe though I am to say it) Liverpool fc.Legacy will always be tainted by the way this City team has been assembled. Just my opinion before you spit your dummy out like usual.
First thing first, the guys with low football technique would have been sold. If Pep didn't like Hart simply because he cant pass, do you think he would stick with the likes of Smalling/Fellaini and Lukaku?And you really think Guardiola would make this lot perform like that? If you do you are delusional, other than the higher ammount he spent on city he also had the right players, he chose Manchester City he would never go to Manchester United cause he would fail... unless a complete squad overhaul occured. Tell me please how his system would work with this back four that can't even pass the ball one meter infront of them, that alone requires 130 plus million for Center backs lol.
The result would most likely be the opposite.If God actually exist he will match this lot against us in the quarters, can't wait to kick this 'beautiful' team out of europe, even with the most notorious bus to ever brace this land, couldn't care less how it's done.
Top 5 is plausible... but you can surely see why United fans would be miffed (even a tad annoyed) by any talk of GOATness at this point? Considering we’ve won three back to back titles, twice, since the turn of the century. Both whilst also winning the Champions League. Not to mention the two back to back titles and two doubles we won in the decade before.Which 5 are better? I often find that things get better with age where football memory is concerned. In 10 years time if this season leaves City with the highest goals scored, and highest points ever in PL history, they’ll be cited as one of the best sides ever in PL history (certainly top 5). Yet nothing will have changed other than the passing of time.
I think Pogba is the kinda player who would irritate Guardiola easily with him thinking he is a superstar or something and Guardiola requiring the same mindset from everyone.First thing first, the guys with low football technique would have been sold. If Pep didn't like Hart simply because he cant pass, do you think he would stick with the likes of Smalling/Fellaini and Lukaku?
Would have probably not bothered with buying Lukaku, played Martial up front and signed Sanchez/Mahrez to play either side of him. Pogba would have a lot more of the ball due to possession football and he would have crazy stats.
Will probably never happen but I really hope Pep gets to coach a United team one day in my lifetime.
I don't think Pogba's head is too big for his own good. He's very coachable, listens a lot, and trains hard in every practice. I think any coach worth his salt will have no real issues with Pogba outside of the usual stuff all players go through during the highs and lows of a season.I think Pogba is the kinda player who would irritate Guardiola easily with him thinking he is a superstar or something and Guardiola requiring the same mindset from everyone.
Who play like toy poodles ATM.
Zzzzz.... City fans getting more cock sure in every thread. Do you not have yellow ribbons to tie up and hand out?toy poodles, I'd say pot noodles.
Unlikely to be included in the history booksLegacy will always be tainted by the way this City team has been assembled. Just my opinion before you spit your dummy out like usual.
Something strangely arousing about watching footy highlights with foreign commentary, you have no idea what he is saying but you know he is very very excited about something.
Dude, they are not Leicester - and certainly no Liverpool where Salah is scoring every single game to win games. City are a machine compared to them and I see no reason why it won't continue in the same way, or even better, as long as they keep Pep and his style.It's one of those seasons for city where everything clicks and comes together perfectly. We have seen a few of them for ourselves. Draws turn into last minute wins, some key decisions among the way, the team plays prefect football.
There is no reason to believe that it will continue into the distant future, not with the league as competitive as it is
True, honestly I never care much for things outside the field. Pep want players who will give everything to him and his commands which is fine and how Pogba doesn't give Mourinho full satisfaction, I just wonder how it would work under Pep who demands even more from his players.I don't think Pogba's head is too big for his own good. He's very coachable, listens a lot, and trains hard in every practice. I think any coach worth his salt will have no real issues with Pogba outside of the usual stuff all players go through during the highs and lows of a season.
I feel his fashion sense and different hair styles make him seem like he's this party kid who thinks he's the biggest star on the planet. I know that's not where you're coming from kouroux, but I mean the general public. He's a humble kid, and works hard.
Was thinking the same.The result would most likely be the opposite.
Following Pep's teams, there's no reason to believe there'll be a significant drop off either.It's one of those seasons for city where everything clicks and comes together perfectly. We have seen a few of them for ourselves. Draws turn into last minute wins, some key decisions among the way, the team plays prefect football.
There is no reason to believe that it will continue into the distant future, not with the league as competitive as it is
On the verge of signing a new deal.What happens after this season though? Pep has never stayed at a club beyond 3 season as he claims the players start to lose interest in the system and he becomes burned out.
Narrative wise, probably not, but the football itself certainly feels as though something new in the PL. Now I know this is not exactly an opinion that a United forum would share, or even think about, and it's quite understandable.Because (and I hope this doesn’t come across as bias or bitter, because I genuinely don’t think it is) aside from KBD, and being undoubtedly very good, I can’t think of anything that’s actually very interesting about this side. Narrative wise, I mean.
Superb postTop 5 is plausible... but you can surely see why United fans would be miffed (even a tad annoyed) by any talk of GOATness at this point? Considering we’ve won three back to back titles, twice, since the turn of the century. Both whilst also winning the Champions League. Not to mention the two back to back titles and two doubles we won in the decade before.
So if football does indeed get better with age, and remember the good as great, and the great as imperious...Then how are those achievements even debatably comparable with this 2/3rds of a City season? That won’t be invincible, can’t be a Treble, and hasn’t even matched our largest leadership gap yet? *
You can see why that opinion would seem super weird & short sighted to any Utd fan over about 12, yeah? Especially to those of us who remember Mourinho’s Chelsea side breaking the points record being seen as irrefutable evidence that the very idea of competition in football was over for at least the next twenty years. And how that went.
Of the 2 and a bit decades United have dominated this League, which titles do you remember most? Is it the ones where we ran away with the title and regularly thrashed our rivals? Like 2001, when we beat our closest competitors 6-1 and won it by 16 points? Remember that? Or maybe it was 2000? Where we won by a still held record of 18 points*? Presumably by defulat the PL’s greatest ever team by your metric, no?
Or is what you actually remember, the Treble winners? (Whose title went right down to the last day.) Or the 2008 “Roo & Ron” Double winners? (Who also went to the last day) or perhaps the 1996 “don’t win anything with kids!” Double winners? (Last day again. And after an epic, unlikely, 12 point overhaul.) Or maybe even the Cantona inspired ‘94 double winners? (An utterly dominant season of era defining sexy football, still won with only two games to spare)...
Point being, sure, City are a great side atm, no question. But football posterity remembers drama, romance and narrative more than dominance and statistics. So even if you win by 30 points in the end, it’ll still be less of a deal to most than the “Aguerooooooo!” season (especially if it’s just the one)...because that’s what really gets better with age. And a side with no competition, little youth or English connection, and no wider historical or redemptive narrative to speak of (and a manger who’ll always be more associated with his homegrown success at Barca) is not a side that I’d bet heavily on making a truly massive dent in the public consciousness, beyond a grudging concession that “yeah, that team we’re alright that year”...
And we should know, because we’ve had several dominant sides before. Sides that have won the League by even more points than you’re on course to. And the fact no one seems to remember it, speaks to just how unspectacularly history remembers those kind of seasons. Even when you’re Manchester United.
Of course, if you win the CL in a blaze of glory, that’ll start to build a legend. But anything less will leave a debatable legacy IMO. Because (and I hope this doesn’t come across as bias or bitter, because I genuinely don’t think it is) aside from KBD, and being undoubtedly very good, I can’t think of anything that’s actually very interesting about this side. Narrative wise, I mean. There’s no story there. It’s just a really good, well assembled side. Perhaps Sterling on a mild redemptive arc?
You have a point but City have to build up their bag of trophies to be considered a great side. They need to pick up a CL and, in domestic terms, have to defend the title. Arsenal's invincible season was a great achievement but they failed to defend their title. That is why I have them below United 99 & 08 vintage and below Mourinho's first Chelsea side.Narrative wise, probably not, but the football itself certainly feels as though something new in the PL. Now I know this is not exactly an opinion that a United forum would share, or even think about, and it's quite understandable.
Its very very hard to maintain this sort of level over multiple seasons. They're having a freak season which will normalise. See Jose's Chelsea and how they did. In any case, I dont see Pep lasting more than 3 odd years.Watching City at times just now is like watching some of the best teams SAF produced during his time and that worries me, being perfectly honest.
They have still to achieve the feats that those United teams did, obviously, but if they continue in their current vein, they will take a bit of stopping, domestically at least.
I hope you are right. There is obviously "second season syndrome" when a player or team has had a great season - assuming City don't spectacularly collapse between now and the end of the season - and the pressure is on to repeat it in the following season. Doing it consistently over a period of time is the mark of a really great team though, as you say. I do think they have a realistic chance of winning the CL this season, to be honest.Its very very hard to maintain this sort of level over multiple seasons. They're having a freak season which will normalise. See Jose's Chelsea and how they did. In any case, I dont see Pep lasting more than 3 odd years.
Yeah, they do. Clearly amongst the best sides in Europe atm. Think Real are the best equipped to counter them but even Barca and Bayern will be tough as feck. Even us but that's an unpopular opinion here. To a lesser extent mind.I hope you are right. There is obviously "second season syndrome" when a player or team has had a great season - assuming City don't spectacularly collapse between now and the end of the season - and the pressure is on to repeat it in the following season. Doing it consistently over a period of time is the mark of a really great team though, as you say. I do think they have a realistic chance of winning the CL this season, to be honest.
Top 5 is plausible... but you can surely see why United fans would be miffed (even a tad annoyed) by any talk of GOATness at this point? Considering we’ve won three back to back titles, twice, since the turn of the century. Both whilst also winning the Champions League. Not to mention the two back to back titles and two doubles we won in the decade before.
So if football does indeed get better with age, and remember the good as great, and the great as imperious...Then how are those achievements even debatably comparable with this 2/3rds of a City season? That won’t be invincible, can’t be a Treble, and hasn’t even matched our largest leadership gap yet? *
You can see why that opinion would seem super weird & short sighted to any Utd fan over about 12, yeah? Especially to those of us who remember Mourinho’s Chelsea side breaking the points record being seen as irrefutable evidence that the very idea of competition in football was over for at least the next twenty years. And how that went.
Of the 2 and a bit decades United have dominated this League, which titles do you remember most? Is it the ones where we ran away with the title and regularly thrashed our rivals? Like 2001, when we beat our closest competitors 6-1 and won it by 16 points? Remember that? Or maybe it was 2000? Where we won by a still held record of 18 points*? Presumably by defulat the PL’s greatest ever team by your metric, no?
Or is what you actually remember, the Treble winners? (Whose title went right down to the last day.) Or the 2008 “Roo & Ron” Double winners? (Who also went to the last day) or perhaps the 1996 “don’t win anything with kids!” Double winners? (Last day again. And after an epic, unlikely, 12 point overhaul.) Or maybe even the Cantona inspired ‘94 double winners? (An utterly dominant season of era defining sexy football, still won with only two games to spare)...
Point being, sure, City are a great side atm, no question. But football posterity remembers drama, romance and narrative more than dominance and statistics. So even if you win by 30 points in the end, it’ll still be less of a deal to most than the “Aguerooooooo!” season (especially if it’s just the one)...because that’s what really gets better with age. And a side with no competition, little youth or English connection, and no wider historical or redemptive narrative to speak of (and a manger who’ll always be more associated with his homegrown success at Barca) is not a side that I’d bet heavily on making a truly massive dent in the public consciousness, beyond a grudging concession that “yeah, that team we’re alright that year”...
And we should know, because we’ve had several dominant sides before. Sides that have won the League by even more points than you’re on course to. And the fact no one seems to remember it, speaks to just how unspectacularly history remembers those kind of seasons. Even when you’re Manchester United.
Of course, if you win the CL in a blaze of glory, that’ll start to build a legend. But anything less will leave a debatable legacy IMO. Because (and I hope this doesn’t come across as bias or bitter, because I genuinely don’t think it is) aside from KBD, and being undoubtedly very good, I can’t think of anything that’s actually very interesting about this side. Narrative wise, I mean. There’s no story there. It’s just a really good, well assembled side. Perhaps Sterling on a mild redemptive arc?