Manchester City 17/18 discussion | "If you're here for the Champions clap your hands" (#6505)

[Seveneric]

Quit digging mate. You are welcome to post here as a guest rival club poster even if you are a pretty aggressive one.
Any success the UAE buy will be tainted by their human rights abuses record, their imprisonmemt and torture of pro democracy advocates, suppression of gays and lesbians and their horrific abuses of migrant workers. All of that systemic UAE, racist, sexist and homophobic brutality and torture at a time when we in the UK and Europe are trying to kick both racism and homophobia out of football.
No use defending the brutal regime. By all means continue to watch your team but don't think that the UAE purchased success will be respected by fans in general. It simply will not.

And City fans are meant to give a shit about respect from other fans (including the insane ones on here who spent pages discussing unfounded doping allegations based on nothing but bitterness), because?

You can not respect them all you like, but if they start racking up the wins and trophies playing the football they've been playing, no one is going to give a shit about the UAE and how much City spent to win those trophies. They will be feared, respected and will be up there competing for the big trophies along with squeaky clean United, the spending purists. It might all be moot anyways, as I don't even see them coming close to any of Fergie's dynasties. But if you're winning consistently and winning well, the respect will come, no one will be putting * next to the trophies they won because it's UAE funded or whatever.

 

[El Zoido]

They’re really good. Credit where due but feck them. They’ll dominate for another few years too I reckon. Can’t see anyone even close to them at the moment.

 

[BRRRRAP]

I've rejected his response to this post. I'll advise you to calm down a bit too.

Lets stop this discussion here.

For the sake of clarity I must add that my response was very calm.
Varun rejected it due to "over-mentioning" the human rights abuses. Perfectly willing to end the discussion for sure though

 

[padr81]

For the sake of clarity I must add that my response was very calm.
Varun rejected it due to "over-mentioning" the human rights abuses. Perfectly willing to end the discussion for sure though

Its all good mate, I enjoy a good internet argument discussion as long as it doesn't resort to name calling as you can probably tell.

 

[Richrip]

Take absolutely nothing away from them in terms of the style and football and the attacking threat they pose but whenever I watch them I always notice the amount of fouls they give away to stop teams breaking on them quickly.

Has anybody else noticed this?

 

[padr81]

Take absolutely nothing away from them in terms of the style and football and the attacking threat they pose but whenever I watch them I always notice the amount of fouls they give away to stop teams breaking on them quickly.

Has anybody else noticed this?

Jose gave a big speech about it.

All high pressing team give away bucketloads of them, City, Liverpool and Spurs do it alot.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Take absolutely nothing away from them in terms of the style and football and the attacking threat they pose but whenever I watch them I always notice the amount of fouls they give away to stop teams breaking on them quickly.

Has anybody else noticed this?

Yeah his teams have always kind of done that. It’s just smart football. A lot of teams do it just not as well, they just stop the move before it really even gets off the ground.

 

[SER19]

While I think those two lines in particular are both very wrong, thats a decent justification.

You did deserve to lose albeit you would have held out if not for 2 Lukaku brainfarts. Joses record v Pep is horrid. In 20 meeting vs Pep, Jose has 4 wins and 6 draws. One would have to say his record against Pep is atrcious in comparison to manager like Klopp and Wenger.




Oh, the old its a United forum excuse. This is general football and I'm perfectly entitled to post on here. I also don't patrol the place 24/7 but hey delude yourself with that like you do with the anti-city rubbish you spout. I get on with most posters on here and they take discussion for what it is, nor do I take offence to someone saying "pot noodle" or resort to calling people smug etc...

I also don't jump on any negative comment about City (in fact I have made plenty) just the stupid, bitter and rubbish ones with no reality except in said posters head.
Unfortunately for you, with regards City, you are blind to the reality in front of your face and talk shite about yellow ribbons, human rights and try and wum instead. That's why we never agree.

Ah, the old never be a big club thing... again not based in reality and only in your head. PSG and City are both big clubs now and getting bigger. Tell me how they aren't? (we both know you won't, you'll post your usual unearned, unmerited shite, maybe a line about yellow ribbons (which we should wrap around the premier league trophy btw..) and some other stuff which has nothing to do with the size of a club whatsoever.

Things that make City now a big club:

1. Best team in the league
2. 53k average attendance, higher than that of Liverpool or Chelsea (both big clubs)
3. Until the Mbappe deal goes through, the most expensive squad in world football.
4. Heading for our 3rd league title in 7 seasons (that will be the same amount as Chelsea and United combined).
5. Using the last 10 seasons as a measure we will have the same amount of league titles as United and Chelsea.
6. Consistently able to attract and buy top players.
7. Able to hire the best manager in the world.

Small clubs just can't do those things... you're so blinded by anger and jealousy you can't see the wood from the trees.

You get too worked up. If you track our dialogue i never even reacted badly, not to mention you just couldnt help jumping on my initial comment.

Im watching city play the champions in front of thousands of empty seats and because i separate style of football from all other things that make up a club doesnt make me bitter.

As far spouting rubbish about yellow ribbons; im pretty sure youve mistaken me with guardiola. Those recent comments were disgraceful and would for example cost a polititian their job. This isnt politics? Then he shouldnt virtue signal to the world while raking in qatari and emirates cash.

But hey that brings us full circle and you dont care about emirates cash once it keeps you happy every weekend. So we should agree to disagree

As for your compelling list of 7 big club bonanza stats 4 are directly correlated with spending spending spending, 2 are essentially the same, and getting 50000 people to your stadium should be pretty easy in a big city in england, though many seem to have got lost today. Youre confusing rich with big again

Edit: city scored by the way, in case you were mid latest novella

 

[KingMinger22]

Of course their owners are scum and they have bought their success largely with funds the did not generate themselves.

That said, they have a fantastic team and squad. The strongest the PL has seen in a decade.

Remember when everyone was sneering about the fees they paid for KDB, Sterling and Sane?

They are each worth probably 3x that now.

 

[Litch]

City have the longest serving season ticket holders out of any premier league club (apparently, this was discovered in a recent survey). What greater continuity could there be than the actual supporters?

Not sure what means....city fans live longer?

 

[Hammondo]

As amazing as they have been this match some players have let them down. Walked and Bernardo have been really poor, and sometimes Sane poor.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

The speed they are getting the ball back this last 15 minutes is incredible. Aguero working his ass off and Bernardo Silva also. It’s impressive. This is domination. Need another goal or it could all be for nothing although Chelsea look toothless.

 

[Kapardin]

Of course their owners are scum and they have bought their success largely with funds the did not generate themselves.

That said, they have a fantastic team and squad. The strongest the PL has seen in a decade.

Remember when everyone was sneering about the fees they paid for KDB, Sterling and Sane?

They are each worth probably 3x that now.

Sterling yes, but to my knowledge nobody sneered at KDB or Sane's fee. Both had established reputations prior to joining City and were considered as having WC potential.

 

[red4ever 79]

Fantastic to watch.The age of these players. So envious

 

[KingMinger22]

You just know they will go out and buy Dybala this summer too.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I just hope when we play them we put everything into it, and don't let them ponce around on the ball.

You just know they will go out and buy Dybala this summer too.

Who goes then? Aguero or Jesus?

 

[padr81]

You just know they will go out and buy Dybala this summer too.

It's weird but I don't see Pep having any interest in Dybala for some reason.

 

[BluesJr]

Fantastic to watch.The age of these players. So envious

We have some amazing young players ourselves, but like City have this season, next season we really have to step it up and play at a much higher level if we’re going to compete.

 

[stepic]

They’ve bought really really well the last few seasons. Yes they have money but they’ve chosen the right players.

 

[Sensei]

We have some amazing young players ourselves, but like City have this season, next season we really have to step it up and play at a much higher level if we’re going to compete.

Then get in a manager with different ideas and ideals

 

[BluesJr]

Then get in a manager with different ideas and ideals

Well that’s for a whole different thread, one thing is for sure though, we’re capable of much more.

 

[Vialli_92]

This is their season to win the CL, they are in the form of their lives and playing a level above every other team

If they can keep the momentum going I expect to see them lift the CL trophy this season

They are too good for the other teams, maybe Barcelona are the one team that can beat them over 2 legs but I don't think any other team can

 

[Litch]

As hard as it is to say, this is the Mike Tyson of football. Teams are beaten before they've kicked a football...

 

[padr81]

As hard as it is to say, this is the Mike Tyson of football. Teams are beaten before they've kicked a football...

People used to say this about the great United sides. It'll fade as teams get closer.

 

[Litch]

People used to say this about the great United sides. It'll fade as teams get closer.

They did but the games against are rivals were generally more competitive. I get it against the lesser team but this is Chelsea. This team is the polar opposite than how they played against us last week first half.

 

[Guy Incognito]

They’ve bought really really well the last few seasons. Yes they have money but they’ve chosen the right players.

Pep to his credit has coached them well. I think pound-for-pound only Poch can say he's done better.

Best teams don't always win the CL. As it stands, they have everything in their favour. Funnily enough I could see them stumbling against an English side over two legs.

 

[Canagel]

So would you rather City beat us at Etihad to win the league or give them a guard of honour instead? It's looking like a very high possibility to be one of the two. I just can't decide which is worse.

 

[BarcaSpurs]

Pep to his credit has coached them well. I think pound-for-pound only Poch can say he's done better.

Best teams don't always win the CL. As it stands, they have everything in their favour. Funnily enough I could see them stumbling against an English side over two legs.

I honestly think Liverpool is the one team they'd be desperate to avoid. I think they can take Barca and just hope Messi doesn't pull something magic out of his ass, They'll be confident they can tear apart Madrids shaky backline apart too.

 

[Adisa]

It's fecking depressing how good they are...it really is.
They've hit the jackpot with Pep.
It's a travesty we didn't even make an attempt.

 

[Nero]

So would you rather City beat us at Etihad to win the league or give them a guard of honour instead? It's looking like a very high possibility to be one of the two. I just can't decide which is worse.

Guard of honour for sure. If City win the league against us they'll never shut up about how they won the title against United.

Also, the humiliation of a guard of honour isn't something I would be opposed to our players experiencing.

Obviously, I'd prefer neither.

 

[padr81]

They did but the games against are rivals were generally more competitive. I get it against the lesser team but this is Chelsea. This team is the polar opposite than how they played against us last week first half.

Not to be arrogant, but United kind of allowed Chelsea to get a foothold first half by defending exactly as Chelsea did today, sitting off and being passive. City, Spurs and Liverpool don't allow that and get in everyones face from the first second. When United upped the intensity and got stuck into Chelsea the truth showed. I'd say the best I've seen United this season is when they've get stuck in (vs Arsenal and 2nd half vs. Chelsea).

Uniteds first half was them letting Chelsea start well and build confidence which to your credit you stamped out 2nd half. Thats twice this season City haven't allowed them in the game for a second...

City allowed Chelsea 2 shots on target in 180 minutes this season because we simply got stuck in from the off and pressed them to death. United could have done the same.

 

[padr81]

So would you rather City beat us at Etihad to win the league or give them a guard of honour instead? It's looking like a very high possibility to be one of the two. I just can't decide which is worse.

Don't think either will happen, I think we'll need to win the derby to wrap it up but can see a draw. We'll win it the week after.

 

[JohnnyKills]

And City fans are meant to give a shit about respect from other fans (including the insane ones on here who spent pages discussing unfounded doping allegations based on nothing but bitterness), because?

You can not respect them all you like, but if they start racking up the wins and trophies playing the football they've been playing, no one is going to give a shit about the UAE and how much City spent to win those trophies. They will be feared, respected and will be up there competing for the big trophies along with squeaky clean United, the spending purists. It might all be moot anyways, as I don't even see them coming close to any of Fergie's dynasties. But if you're winning consistently and winning well, the respect will come, no one will be putting * next to the trophies they won because it's UAE funded or whatever.

Not sure mate. There'll always be a huge asterisk next to their name.

I've said this on here before, but I work in media and earlier this season my boss told us to stop writing City stories as no-one was reading them. They've had the oil money for a decade and still they haven't cracked it as a global mega-brand.

You may be right though. If they keep playing and winning like this for two or three more years then they might enter the highest echelon with United (or even replace us).

Tbh I think it might go the other way though. People will start hounding them for the UAE's failings and they'll become a punchbag for the media chatterati. 'ABC' might even become a thing!

 

[BluesJr]

Their planning since the owners have come in has been annoyingly efficient, we just have to hope they feck it up somehow or we step up massively because if this continues for years it’ll be very depressing.

A guard of honour might be good for our players though, motivation for next season.

 

[JohnnyKills]

It's fecking depressing how good they are...it really is.
They've hit the jackpot with Pep.
It's a travesty we didn't even make an attempt.

Maybe we did and he said no.

But yeah, it says everything about how the United board forgot about the football side in their commercial obsession doesn't it. First we got Moyes, then LVG. Complete dereliction of duty.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Their planning since the owners have come in has been annoyingly efficient, we just have to hope they feck it up somehow or we step up massively because if this continues for years it’ll be very depressing

A guard of honour might be good for our players though, motivation for next season.

We've got to give them the guard of honour. To refuse would be pathetically small-time.

 

[padr81]

Not sure mate. There'll always be a huge asterisk next to their name.

I've said this on here before, but I work in media and earlier this season my boss told us to stop writing City stories as no-one was reading them. They've had the oil money for a decade and still they haven't cracked it as a global mega-brand.

You may be right though. If they keep playing and winning like this for two or three more years then they might enter the highest echelon with United (or even replace us).

Tbh I think it might go the other way though. People will start hounding them for the UAE's failings and they'll become a punchbag for the media chatterati. 'ABC' might even become a thing!

There is no replacing a club like United, they are too big. Liverpool and Arsenal too. Just like no club can fall away like Villa etc.. anymore, football is too lopsided. Its sad to think but Europes best now will probably be Europes best and biggest for a very long future. Aside from teams getting the luck we at City have had with the Sheikh then nothing changes. The big will stay big, the little will fall further behind.

There will be no more fallen giants and the very odd season we might have a Leicester but they'll never join the truly elite.

 

[JohnnyKills]

There is no replacing a club like United, they are too big. Liverpool and Arsenal too. Just like no club can fall away like Villa etc.. anymore, football is too lopsided. Its sad to think but Europes best now will probably be Europes best and biggest for a very long future. Aside from teams getting the luck we at City have had with the Sheikh then nothing changes. The big will stay big, the little will fall further behind.

There will be no more fallen giants and the very odd season we might have a Leicester but they'll never join the truly elite.

I hope you're right mate!

Not sure though. No-one's too big to fail, look at Milan ffs.

 

[Canagel]

Don't think either will happen, I think we'll need to win the derby to wrap it up but can see a draw. We'll win it the week after.

Don't you have Spurs in there somewhere? I'm pretty sure you play Spurs and us back to back.

 

[padr81]

Don't you have Spurs in there somewhere? I'm pretty sure you play Spurs and us back to back.

Spurs are the game after but it's possible we'll only need a draw or could even win it with a loss there, also its looking like Top 4 will be done and dusted so Spurs might be focusing on CL if they knockout Juve.