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it was the entire philosophy - in the first half we were passive until City were well into our half with Pogba and Herrera deeper.

in the second we pushed much further up, pressed higher and it was a glorious Herrera chest to Pogba for that first goal with both amongst our most advanced players.
That chest was ridiculous! For all the plaudits Pogba and Sanchez got, I reckon we would've lost without that chest opening it up for Pogba to score the first.
 

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I don't think problem is him not playing in 3 vs deep defences, it's him playing in 2 away from home against decent teams. At home against any non top 6 teams, he should play in 2 man midfield. It shouldn't be a problem as we will control most games. Away from home we will struggle as he isn't disciplined defensively and it's not his strongest attribute.
I agree. But if he could add defensive discipline to his game allowing an additional attacking player in the side, how much more dangerous would that make the United attack, even against the top teams?

My biggest issue is that I think he easily could be more disciplined defensively. He just doesn't want to.

Saying all of this, if he can perform like he did in the second half of the City game on a consistent basis, I have no issue having less attackers and more cover in midfield. He'll have earned his spot in a more offensive role.
 

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That chest was ridiculous! For all the plaudits Pogba and Sanchez got, I reckon we would've lost without that chest opening it up for Pogba to score the first.
Reminded me a bit of Kagawa at Anfield in Fergie's last season for Rafael's glorious equaliser. Very cool assist.
 

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That chest was ridiculous! For all the plaudits Pogba and Sanchez got, I reckon we would've lost without that chest opening it up for Pogba to score the first.
it hasn't got the credit it deserved - can't remember the last time I saw something like that

Hererra's reaction time was incredible as Alexis has really fired that ball across. Half a second later it's perfectly placed in Pogba's path
 
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KDB contributed 15 assists and 7 goal in 2684 minutes. Pogba contributed 5 goals and 9 assists in 1738 minutes. I think KDB having a similar ratio of contribution as Paul while playing more minutes give him advantage.
Yup, still not getting the logic at all.

KDB: 15 assists and 7 goals - 2684 minutes.
Pogba: 9 assists and 5 goals - 1738 minutes.

Why should the fact that KdB has managed just 2 more assists in nearly 1000 more minutes give him an "advantage"?
 

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it hasn't got the credit it deserved - can't remember the last time I saw something like that

Hererra's reaction time was incredible as Alexis has really fired that ball across. Half a second later it's perfectly placed in Pogba's path
5 live commentary gave a lot of credit to Herrera
 

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Yup, still not getting the logic at all.

KDB: 15 assists and 7 goals - 2684 minutes.
Pogba: 9 assists and 5 goals - 1738 minutes.

Why should the fact that KdB has managed just 2 more assists in nearly 1000 more minutes give him an "advantage"?
Well if we assumed the stats of this post is accurate :

KDB contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 111 minutes in the PL
Pogba contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 102 minutes in the PL

One is criticized for not defending and called a luxury player, while the other is praised for his attacking instinct
Then managing to get a ration of goal or assist per 111 minutes is much harder if you're playing a lot as surely the more you play, the less your stats ratio/min will be. Providing a consistent performance of contribution over long amount of minutes and more games played is much harder than doing it all in couple of games.
 
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Then managing to get a ration of goal or assist per 111 minutes is much harder if you're playing a lot as surely the more you play, the less your stats ratio/min will be. Providing a consistent performance of contribution over long amount of minutes and more games played is much harder than doing it all in couple of games.
@el3mel you're baffling me here. Why do you think the bolded above is correct? I mean, Pogba could easily get a goal and assist at the weekend vs. WBA at home and his stats would shoot right up.

What the stats tell you once you get over 1500 minutes is how likely a player is to score or assist per minute. So Pogba is not at a advantage or disadvantage by playing less minutes. The only thing that would be true is if the stats were:

Pogba scores or assists once every 100 minutes and has played 1700 minutes.
KdB scores or assists once every 100 minutes and has played 2700 minutes.

Then yes, obviously KdB should have the advantage, but that wasn't the case according to original stats posted. For the record, I have zero idea if the stats are correct, I'm just quoting the two of you.
 

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We have to build next season around Paul :)
 
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@el3mel you're baffling me here. Why do you think the bolded above is correct? I mean, Pogba could easily get a goal and assist at the weekend vs. WBA at home and his stats would shoot right up.

What the stats tell you once you get over 1500 minutes is how likely a player is to score or assist per minute. So Pogba is not at a advantage or disadvantage by playing less minutes. The only thing that would be true is if the stats were:

Pogba scores or assists once every 100 minutes and has played 1700 minutes.
KdB scores or assists once every 100 minutes and has played 2700 minutes.

Then yes, obviously KdB should have the advantage, but that wasn't the case according to original stats posted. For the record, I have zero idea if the stats are correct, I'm just quoting the two of you.
Because no player is going to keep getting at least a goal or assist every 90 minutes he plays. There will be several games when he doesn't get on the score board, and thus it's impossible to keep the same goal/assist per minute ratio that high if you're playing all the time.
 

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Like few have already mentioned, it was very good to see Pogba saying lot of good things about Carrick.

Hopefully we will see lot of improvement in the movement and choice of passes.
 

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KDB contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 111 minutes in the PL
Pogba contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 102 minutes in the PL

One is criticized for not defending and called a luxury player, while the other is praised for his attacking instinct
Not all about the final productivity. De Bruyne creates so many more chances then Pogba overall and controls games a lot better then Pogba does. Pogba has loads of talent, but he hasn't been consistent ever yet to the extent that De Bruyne has this year. De bruyne has worked harder defensively and off the ball and been more consistent in controlling games and generally much more influential to overall games. Pogba has been a luxury player because he performs once in a while, and often a defensive liability.
 

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King Pogba is now more humble and more active in his play. Looks like we will see a more matured Pogba from now on.

The dawn of the new era is here.
 

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I like the little partnership he's having with Sanchez. All the while now, Pogba is the one that we looked up to create anything from the middle. Now, we have two creative players that can pull up something special from deep. I think both of them know what eachother can do and hence we could see them making more runs like this.
 

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Well if we assumed the stats of this post is accurate :



Then managing to get a ration of goal or assist per 111 minutes is much harder if you're playing a lot as surely the more you play, the less your stats ratio/min will be. Providing a consistent performance of contribution over long amount of minutes and more games played is much harder than doing it all in couple of games.
Your point will be valid if Pogba had played 500 min and KDB 2700. Pogba has played 1700 minutes, which is a lot and nothing suggests that he'd perform worse if he had played another 500-1000 minutes.
 

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Your point will be valid if Pogba had played 500 min and KDB 2700. Pogba has played 1700 minutes, which is a lot and nothing suggests that he'd perform worse if he had played another 500-1000 minutes.
It's still 1000 more minutes than Paul though.
 

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KDB contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 111 minutes in the PL
Pogba contributes 1 Goal/Assist every 102 minutes in the PL

One is criticized for not defending and called a luxury player, while the other is praised for his attacking instinct
I agree with the point you’re making.

But the maths is incorrect here:

KDB- 1 goal/assist per 122 minutes in the PL

Pogba- 1 goal/assist per 124 minutes in the PL
 

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One swallow does not make a summer.
But you obsession with Pogba makes the post pathetic.

He has already had a good season bar month or month and a half. You are getting more and more desperate every day.
 

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Ok thanks for that. I'm not allowed to have an opinion?
Did I stop you posting in this thread?

Your constant digs, comparing his attitude with Balotelli (which is laughable and equally pathetic) is nothing but trolling.

You are allowed to have an opinion just like how I'm allowed to quote and reply to any post.
 

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Did I stop you posting in this thread?

Your constant digs, comparing his attitude with Balotelli (which is laughable and equally pathetic) is nothing but trolling.

You are allowed to have an opinion just like how I'm allowed to quote and reply to any post.
I don't remember ever being rude to anybody though.
 

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I didn't too. Saying so and so posts are nothing but trolling is not rude.
I'm not trolling at all - I think it's a valid opinion to suggest that one great game in a season that has lacked performances like that on a regular basis does not suddenly mean a player will perform much better in the future. That's not trolling, it is somebody posting an opinion you disagree with. The fact you have chosen to focus on me has only encouraged me to post MORE about it. Do you see the irony?
 

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I'm not trolling at all - I think it's a valid opinion to suggest that one great game in a season that has lacked performances like that on a regular basis does not suddenly mean a player will perform much better in the future. That's not trolling, it is somebody posting an opinion you disagree with. The fact you have chosen to focus on me has only encouraged me to post MORE about it. Do you see the irony?
Comparing his mentality to Balotelli is trolling.

One great game? Were you hiding in the cave till Jan end?

Oh I don't reply to you alone, there are bunch of Spurs fans who moan about Pogba from time to time. This is just your time of the month.
 

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Comparing his mentality to Balotelli is trolling.

One great game? Were you hiding in the cave till Jan end?
What other great games has he had? I can think of a few decent performances but nothing particularly outstanding. My comparison with Balotelli was purely based on what I viewed Pogba as being at the time - a big ego with a big reputation that is not living up to it - he also appeared to be a bit of a joker which also made me think of Ballotelli - is he a total nutjob like Ballotelli is? No I don't think so but there are similarities or at least there were in my view at the time I posted that. For what it's worth since that comment clearly vexed you (considering it was made many months ago yet you bring it up again out of nowhere) I no longer feel it's a valid comparison as I've seen more of Pogba since then but at the time I thought it wasn't far off.
 

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What other great games has he had? I can think of a few decent performances but nothing particularly outstanding. My comparison with Balotelli was purely based on what I viewed Pogba as being at the time - a big ego with a big reputation that is not living up to it - he also appeared to be a bit of a joker which also made me think of Ballotelli - is he a total nutjob like Ballotelli is? No I don't think so but there are similarities or at least there were in my view at the time I posted that. For what it's worth since that comment clearly vexed you (considering it was made many months ago yet you bring it up again out of nowhere) I no longer feel it's a valid comparison as I've seen more of Pogba since then but at the time I thought it wasn't far off.
West Ham, Swansea, Newcastle, Arsenal, CSKA Moscow, Everton, Stoke these are all games where he was very good and also scored or assisted.

Vs Leicester, Chelsea, Swansea where he was good/very good but didn't score or assist.
 

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West Ham, Swansea, Newcastle, Arsenal, CSKA Moscow, Everton, Stoke these are all games where he was very good and also scored or assisted.

Vs Leicester, Chelsea, Swansea where he was good/very good but didn't score or assist.
Ok so you can think of a grand total of 10 games when you consider him as playing well out of so far 21 league appearances and 5 European appearances. That doesn't really fill me with confidence considering you probably have a bias for him.
 

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Ok so you can think of a grand total of 10 games when you consider him as playing well out of so far 21 league appearances and 5 European appearances. That doesn't really fill me with confidence considering you probably have a bias for him.
That's just few examples, not the whole list.

Yeah I have bias for him, nothing to do with you :lol:
 

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Or I watch every single min of our games and don't rely on some twitter report or on some clueless journalist.
I get that also - I can only go by the games I have watched him play - not every game obviously but I've probably watched about 10 Utd games over the season so far.
 

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Ok so you can think of a grand total of 10 games when you consider him as playing well out of so far 21 league appearances and 5 European appearances. That doesn't really fill me with confidence considering you probably have a bias for him.

Any player who performs ten peak performances over a season is likely to have had a good season. The rest will depend on how the other games have gone. Ten peak 6/7 good games and a run of bad form. Good season for me
 

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Any player who performs ten peak performances over a season is likely to have had a good season. The rest will depend on how the other games have gone. Ten peak 6/7 good games and a run of bad form. Good season for me
Good season sure ok - season you would expect from a player with Pogba's profile though? Probably not.
 

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Pogba had a good season till the Spurs game, since this game he appeared to have been replaced by his twin for 2 months before returning in the Swansea game.
 
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