Henry is the best player I've seen in the premier league. Ronaldo was fantastic for three years but Henry was a better PL player.
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I dunno, but peak of Ronaldo in Manchester United IMO was higher than Henry at Arsenal.
Yes all time ranking, he edges Ronaldo due to overall factor, but peak IMO, CR is better.
Agreed.
You are forgetting just how magnificent Henry was.
Not sure about that. Henry had a better all round game than Ronaldo. His creativity was superb. It's Ronaldo's CL win with us and then obviously efforts with Madrid that make him better, and the consistency, longetivity etc. there.
But Henry just owned this league. Couldn't stand him at the time but when I think of the best of the PL his name instantly pops up.
Ronaldo is comfortably better than Henry, Imo.
Henry has longevity on his side in the prem, but have people already forgotten the numbers put up by CR (multiple ballon d'or winner in the Messi era)?
Henry has longevity on his side in the prem, but have people already forgotten the numbers put up by CR (multiple ballon d'or winner in the Messi era)?
People forgot how crazy was Ronaldo during his time with us. Lots of goals, tricks, skills, pace, power, determination plus trophies.
Henry used to be the best Premier league player I've ever watched playing, but Ronaldo is simply on another level.
Henry used to be the best Premier league player I've ever watched playing, but Ronaldo is simply on another level.
I am talking about the current season.
How would rate Peak Aguero vs Peak Rooney??
And how about their comparative career legacies/place in the history books as a whole?
And how about their comparative career legacies/place in the history books as a whole?
I'd say Suarez 13/14 was the best individual season of a PL player ever.
Then you've got Henry 03/04, Ronaldo 06/07 & 07/08, RvP 11/12, and to a lesser extent Rooney 09/10, Bale 12/13.
I guess Aguero's problem is that whilst he's always delivered the goals on a consistent basis, he's never had an individual season like the other great PL strikers have.
Then you've got Henry 03/04, Ronaldo 06/07 & 07/08, RvP 11/12, and to a lesser extent Rooney 09/10, Bale 12/13.
I guess Aguero's problem is that whilst he's always delivered the goals on a consistent basis, he's never had an individual season like the other great PL strikers have.
Henry's best lasted little over 3 years himself though? 01/02, 02/03, 03/04 was when he and Arsenal were at their best after that though he and Arsenal began to become insignificant. You can argue his peak lasted 1 or 2 more years than I'm giving him credit for but I still don't think Henry should get put over Ronaldo due to longevity. Henry's best goals return wasn't a high as Ronaldo's either
He was just absurdly good and nearly took a really average Liverpool team to the title. 31 goals in 33 games and loads of assists too.
Really average is probably harsh given Gerrard, Sturridge and Sterling were all really quite good that season as well
Henry's 03/04 season was better than ronaldo's 07/08( premier league only)
There's always one
Not that your retort is even relevant, why shouldn't goals in other comps be counted?
The debate is " top 3 premier league forwards ever".There's always one
Not that your retort is even relevant, why shouldn't goals in other comps be counted?
It's fair to say that it is the strongest in terms of having a top six stronger than you will see in any other league at the moment. It remains to be seen if the English sides are better than the likes of Bayern, Real and Barca at the sharp end of the the champions league.
The context of the original debate was about United's run of three successive PL titles when the league was the strongest over a period of about 5 years, however.
I don't agree that the league is stronger this season now than it was then. When English sides played any team in Europe in those days you expected them to win. In 2008 3/4 of the CL semi finalists were English so we have to see if we have hit that level again. I'm not saying it won't happen but as it stands it is an unknown. Then the question is if that level can be sustained over a number of seasons.
And they were both PL players
You were actually wrong anyway (assuming you were referring to their goal return)
Henry 03/04 30 PL goals
Ronaldo 07/08 31 PL goals
Im speaking on Henry's 20 assists + 20+ goals in one PL season,to this date the ONLY player to do such thing(pretty sure I'm correct).
Hell,in the premier league,Henry was more of a "big game" player. His record vs top teams is probably one of the best,but lets not get into that
Nah I just think Henry performed better over the course of his PL career than Ronaldo did over his. Much of that had to do with age as well. But it is what it is. I'd argue for Henry's peak being right up there with anyone too. He's hardly someone who would compete solely due to longetivity. His combination of goalscoring and creativity was incredible.
Not sure if many will be interested but a quite enjoyable Aguero documentary on his youth here, if you're into that kind of thing.
Sharp goal. Gone under the radar because of his injury but he looks up for it.
His first goal at the World Cup, that stat looks incredible.
He's generally woeful for Argentina.
The fact that he has scored is shocking in itself .
Such an Agüero goal though, nice.
Watching them today its kind of clear why. If your striker for Argentina unless messi plays you in, no one gives you the ball because they have to give it to messi.
Thought he looked sharp today.
Not a bad plan to be fair.
Pretty much, I think Sergio has been poor for Argentina but I haven't watched too much of them. If they play every game like today I'll give all their strikers a pass tbh.
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How does that compare with Shearer & Rooney to get to 200?
Using their respective time in the premier league as a guide its Aguero by about 100 games.:
Shearer got 205 in 392 appearance for Southampton, Blackburn and his first couple of seasons at Newcastle.
Rooney got 198 in 442 appearances for Everton and United, he broke 200 in the season where he had 214 after 479 games.
Aguero has 201 in 292 games for City, so if he gets 4 in his next 100 appearances he'll better Shearer.
But to put things in perspective, Aguero arrived in England at 23 (maybe 22) the others started as teens.
In terms of career totals:
Aguero has 325 goals in 582 appearances. Sergio has scored in 56% of matches he's played.
Rooney has 282 goals in 680 appearances. Rooney 41% of matches.
Shearer has 379 goals in 734 appearances. Shearer has goals in 52% of games played.
Shearer is 16th in the premier leagues all time goal per minute standings (every 147 minutes).
Rooney is not on the list.
Aguero is 1st, (every 107 minutes) ahead of even Salah of all people (Salah's record being ruined by 2 goals in 9 hours for Chelsea. .)***
***Was correct at the newest article I could find (March 2018), but I suspect Salah (109 min) and possibly Kane (113 min) may have passed Sergio towards the seasons end.
One things for sure, had Kun not those dodgy hamstrings, he'd possibly be have a chance at touching 500 career goals now. (40 for Argentina in 89 appearances).
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Including international football
Sergio has 365 in 673 games.
Rooney has 335 in 799 games.
Shearer has 409 goals in 797 games.
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Thanks a lot for the informative post. Pretty damn amazing really... Shearer's stats really hold up.
Shearer really was a machine but so is Aguero. Big shame about the injuries, he'd have been bigger than Messi over time specially for Argentina if he could have kept his football health.
How come none of the really big european clubs (Barca, Bayern, Real) really came in for him. I can't remember any speculation. Wages too high? Player genuinely happy at Man City not competing for the Champs League?
How is his conversion rate? He had 6-8 attempts today I think.
£38m was still a lot when City bought him, plus his wages were substantial. I doubt those clubs would be willing to pay that much for a 23 yo Aguero. His value soared after winning the PL in his debut season and it'd have taken huge amount of money to get him to move. Plus those elite clubs always had 30-40 goals a season player in Messi, Gomez/Lewa, Ronaldo.
All-time top 6 PL strike rates > 50 goals
1. Aguero - 143 PL goals - strike rate 107 mins
2. Kane - 108 PL goals - strike rate 113 mins
3. Henry - 176 PL goals - strike rate 121 mins
4. Ruud v Nist. - 95 PL goals - strike rate 128 mins
5. Luis Suarez - 69 PL goals - strike rate 139 mins
6. RvP - 144 PL goal - strike rate 140 mins
Salah not in the >50 goals club yet but his 34 PL goals have come at a strike rate of 102 mins
In the league last season he averaged 4.3 shots p90 mins played. He scored with 22% of them and 50% when his shot was on target.