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Nothing to see here. Just two Russians doing a weekend trip to look at a cathedral twice.
Well he could just deny everything without putting the two stooges on TV with a risible story about Stonehenge.What's his alternative play?
yeahIs RT a state owned station?
I don't agree. He can't deny that these two people exist because it is far too easy for them to be outed as living. Disappearing them looks even more an admission of guilt and the gross incompetence that the whole operation was. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Putin wanted everyone to know it was them so were obvious about it, but the total bodge of the assassination reflects very badly on the image of the Russian special operations agencies.Well he could just deny everything without putting the two stooges on TV with a risible story about Stonehenge.
Oh boyI don't agree. He can't deny that these two people exist because it is far too easy for them to be outed as living. Disappearing them looks even more an admission of guilt and the gross incompetence that the whole operation was. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Putin wanted everyone to know it was them so were obvious about it, but the total bodge of the assassination reflects very badly on the image of the Russian special operations agencies.
Please, do enlighten us with your commentary on the event?Oh boy
You really do believe those two clowns were on a secret mission signed off by Putin to carry out an assassination (on a CCTV infested island) by spraying a toxic substance on a door handle... and then what happened? They finish the job and go back to their organisation, where they enjoy all the protection and immunity and answer to no one but god himself, but somehow Putin starts feeling the heat, from Theresa May, and orders his highly skilled, professional assassins to GO LIVE ON TV and explain themselves, and then they end up talking about ladies perfumes and the weather! He doesn’t do it like the Mossad, whose official statement is always ‘we don’t confirm, we don’t deny’, no- Putin’s big plan is to go on TV!Please, do enlighten us with your commentary on the event?
Perhaps Russians watching that might believe it as that is what they hear all the time, but nobody outside of Russia with more than 4 functioning brain cells could possibly believe they are telling the truth.But yes, they are.
Your credentials are impeccable.I’ve watched enough spy movies to know that story is bs
It's a big attraction down south but no idea about the rest of the UK. Most people I know down here have been to the cathedral, but to travel from Russia only to see the cathedral?...meh.Wasn't that around the time of the Beast from the East? Not entirely implausible that they might have found getting to Stonehenge difficult around then.
Is Salisbury Cathedral a big tourist draw?
The absurdist theatre of the interview is straight from the Vladislav Surkov playbook.You really do believe those two clowns were on a secret mission signed off by Putin to carry out an assassination (on a CCTV infested island) by spraying a toxic substance on a door handle... and then what happened? They finish the job and go back to their organisation, where they enjoy all the protection and immunity and answer to no one but god himself, but somehow Putin starts feeling the heat, from Theresa May, and orders his highly skilled, professional assassins to GO LIVE ON TV and explain themselves, and then they end up talking about ladies perfumes and the weather! He doesn’t do it like the Mossad, whose official statement is always ‘we don’t confirm, we don’t deny’, no- Putin’s big plan is to go on TV!
I’ve watched enough spy movies to know that story is bs
I didn’t mean deny they exist, rather refuse official comment pending further enquiries. The only way I can interpret today is two fingers to the UK or a performance purely for internal consumption - two innocent Russian tourists who travelled thousands of miles to see Salisbury Cathedral (of which no Russian I know has even heard) and being framed by MI5 for this unfortunate event.I don't agree. He can't deny that these two people exist because it is far too easy for them to be outed as living. Disappearing them looks even more an admission of guilt and the gross incompetence that the whole operation was. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Putin wanted everyone to know it was them so were obvious about it, but the total bodge of the assassination reflects very badly on the image of the Russian special operations agencies.
They basically said thatTheir narrative would be a tad more believable if they had said the suspects are just an innocent gay couple who love travelling around the world
But for obvious reasons that was never going to happen
The, for lack of a better word, amateurism of this attack is so perfectly congruent with the amateurism displayed when for example the Dutch intelligence services counter hacked the 'infamous' Fancy Bear group, who were working from some university building near the Red Square. They were able to track all their actions for months, to a point where they even had access to the security cameras of the building seeing the members go in and out.What does make me wonder is. If these 2 were on a secret mission how in God's name does one feck up so bad?
Fella on the right looks embarrassed and uncomfortable and rightly so...didn’t see his hands either. (Not that it matters, just an observation).Just watched the full interview.
Jesus Christ. The fella on the right seems a bit more composed but the one on the left is nervous as feck. Why hasn't the media picked up on friends/family/known business associates etc already?
What does make me wonder is. If these 2 were on a secret mission how in God's name does one feck up so bad?
Could they be used as a decoy and it was actually someone else? Everything makes sense based on the evidence but what's the likelihood that they were not alone in the UK.
After Rigging an election and burdening them with trump for (at least) 4 years I think they would find this quite an underwhelming follow upActually funny how smug the Russians must feel. Imagine them doing this to America?
I don't think they bought Novichok into the UK (too risky and obvious IMO). I reckon it was already in the UK and it was a pick up and execute your mission (maybe a reason why they attended Salisbury twice).Fella on the right looks embarrassed and uncomfortable and rightly so...didn’t see his hands either. (Not that it matters, just an observation).
Keep thinking.......even though they know there are hundreds of cctv cameras in the U.K. they might not have realised just how many or the innocent looking places where they might have been placed. (Wonder if they were caught on camera peeing in the park or sneaking a sniff of something). They’re bound to be a little on edge about where they may have been recorded, either meeting someone or doing something suspicious, or even just how closely their whole journey may have been monitored.
Sounds possible they were used as a decoy or back up and I’d be very surprised if they were here alone.
I've never really heard of it but then I'm not really a cathedral enthusiast like these guys obviously are.Wasn't that around the time of the Beast from the East? Not entirely implausible that they might have found getting to Stonehenge difficult around then.
Is Salisbury Cathedral a big tourist draw?
Not really. Even just in Cathedral terms you could get to St Paul's, Canterbury, York, Norwich, Lincoln, and Ely in the same time it'd take you to get to Salisbury from where they stayed and all of them have as great or bigger claims to fame (Salisbury is nice though, just not two visits in a two day trip when you have all of London in front of you nice).Wasn't that around the time of the Beast from the East? Not entirely implausible that they might have found getting to Stonehenge difficult around then.
Is Salisbury Cathedral a big tourist draw?