Sounds bizarre but I wonder how Pogba would do for us playing as a false 9.. Personally I'd love to see how he'd do there.
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I'd honestly be happier if he just came out, threw the arms up in the air and said "okay, you got me I'm not going to do any work at all I'm just going to stay in the opponents half and effect the attacking game" instead of trying to fake that he wants to be Mr. Responsibility playing the mature and all-round role in midfield, only to then have his fingerprints all over these annoying lapses in concentration.
Just come out and be a man and say "feck it, I want to shirk all responsibility on the defensive end". I don't think people fawning over him would care and even people who question his maturity and his work ethic would probably even say "Good. Now that we have that out of the way, don't play anywhere near deep in midfield and you've got yourself a deal." Maybe we could build a proper midfield that gets the best out of him and stops dragging him into situations where he has to fake press and fake track back and perform defensive duties, only to just jog back and generally look half-arsed leaving team mates in the lurch.
Jose must be tearing his hair out having this guy as one of his main shining beacon players. Total liability as a leadership player, shirks all responsibility despite demanding he be a two-way player.
Still a mad undroppable player though that has more gears to go up, would like to see it at some point this season. Paul Pogba is Paul Pogba's worst enemy it seems.
Just come out and be a man and say "feck it, I want to shirk all responsibility on the defensive end". I don't think people fawning over him would care and even people who question his maturity and his work ethic would probably even say "Good. Now that we have that out of the way, don't play anywhere near deep in midfield and you've got yourself a deal." Maybe we could build a proper midfield that gets the best out of him and stops dragging him into situations where he has to fake press and fake track back and perform defensive duties, only to just jog back and generally look half-arsed leaving team mates in the lurch.
Jose must be tearing his hair out having this guy as one of his main shining beacon players. Total liability as a leadership player, shirks all responsibility despite demanding he be a two-way player.
Still a mad undroppable player though that has more gears to go up, would like to see it at some point this season. Paul Pogba is Paul Pogba's worst enemy it seems.
Yeah, imagine midfielder every losing possession in the midfield
Did you miss the Newcastle where he did his fancy trick against Chelsea in the build up to one of the goals? That's what you get when your midfielder is brave enough to carry the ball forward instead of Cleverleying it to defenders and keeper whenever there is a man on him.
Shirks all responsibility? Sorry but we have too many Souness on caf now a days or he influenced lot of people.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-2018-19-performances.440059/page-70#post-23211039
Check the article posted, how anyone can say "he shirks responsibilities" is beyond me.
"Shirks all responsibility" 
I feel I'm watching a different sport and man from some
I feel I'm watching a different sport and man from someHe should come out and say "feck off i'm not playing in our half""Shirks all responsibility"
Mata was weak.
The pass that's got everyone's knickers in a twist.....I can imagine Scholes playing that pass, the little around the corner pass knowing someone is coming in behind.
You could argue he wouldn't have played it there, perhaps not but they'll be instances somewhere of loads of midfielders playing little around the corner passes that don't come off.
I'm wondering what the narrative would've been if Mata had played the pass and Pogba stood there and let the defender get the ball first ? Or if Pogba was in Smallings position and made that tackle ? Who would the camera have immediately panned in on in either of those scenarios? Every scenario would've been the same player.
I'm not absolving him of blame but the scrutiny he comes under, I've never seen anyone so scrutinised before. He's blamed for everything. Gets no credit.
A side note Gary Neville is starting to piss me off. He's a guilty as anyone of looking for fault and putting blame on Pogba. But also his comments on Martial last night. He may have a point on movement, but to go as far as to say I've never seen a player in the last ten years who confuses me so much ? Bebe, Obertan.....complete hyperbole.
Say the same about English players Neville and I might have some respect back for you.
You could argue he wouldn't have played it there, perhaps not but they'll be instances somewhere of loads of midfielders playing little around the corner passes that don't come off.
I'm wondering what the narrative would've been if Mata had played the pass and Pogba stood there and let the defender get the ball first ? Or if Pogba was in Smallings position and made that tackle ? Who would the camera have immediately panned in on in either of those scenarios? Every scenario would've been the same player.
I'm not absolving him of blame but the scrutiny he comes under, I've never seen anyone so scrutinised before. He's blamed for everything. Gets no credit.
A side note Gary Neville is starting to piss me off. He's a guilty as anyone of looking for fault and putting blame on Pogba. But also his comments on Martial last night. He may have a point on movement, but to go as far as to say I've never seen a player in the last ten years who confuses me so much ? Bebe, Obertan.....complete hyperbole.
Say the same about English players Neville and I might have some respect back for you.
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Yes, imagine that. A midfielder every losing possession in the midfield.
None of that has anything to do with Pogba being a defensive liability, not tracking back, fake pressing and fake defending. You're flying to the rescue of a narrative that isn't there, I couldn't care less if he loses possession in the final third.
For what it's worth, Tom Cleverley has something Paul Pogba doesn't have, a Premier League winners medal. TC might have been generally shite but nobody ever questioned his attitude, not even himself self reflectively. He always put a shift in at both ends, despite maybe being on several levels below where Pogba's talent level currently resides, with Pogba still having a another gear or maybe two in his locker to still go to.
I don't think I've even heard a word souness has said in over half a decade and quite frankly could not care less, he's a twerp.
Like I said, it's not uncommon that midfielder who tries to carry the ball forward loses possession few times just like how ball playing CBs who try to keep possession lose it few times in defensive third.
fecking hell this myth that Pogba doesn't put shift in is well and truely in full force. Go and check the article that is posted in the post that you quoted, or are you gonna close your ears and eyes and keep shouting same thing over and over again?
You should read one of the posts by @Brwned who made a very detailed post.
Also just on your "lack of effort" "shunning responsibilities" part.
So much for not doing defensive work. If only, tracking runner is the only metric is used to rate defensive ability then yeah. When he plays with average to poor players who can't win the ball, can't pass the ball more than 10 yards, can't even create a chance, it's laughable to expect him to do everything on his won.
Pogba has won more than Cleverly so I'm not sure what point people are trying to make.
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Comparing Pogba to fecking Clerveley
I've heard it all now.Absolutely. My biggest fear is him leaving for Barcelona or Real while we spend most of the funds on a talented but nowhere near as good player like Milinković-Savić.
Why doesn't hit from long range anymore? He used to hit some bangers for Juve and the reserve team and even on the United website they described him has having a 'penchant for the spectacular'. Since he came back he doesn't shoot anymore. I'm still waiting for him to hit a real banger. Even the one at Swansea he didn't put his laces through it was more a cushioned volley. If he starts shooting he could easily get 15+ goals a season.
He do try them a lot but they're all mostly underwhelming. He was better in them with Juve.
He's hit the woodwork plenty of times for Man Utd. That and many of them were bad shots so maybe he's lost a little confidence
Seems to happen with every player who steps into OT. Memphis scored more free kicks in Europe than anyone before he came and couldn't hit the target once when he arrived at United.
Yes the first season he couldn't stop hitting the woodwork but he stopped trying after that. Long range shooting can help us because our attackers have no confidence except for martial.
Depay wasn't taking free kicks here iirc.
He still scored few great goals with us but all came against terrible opponents.
Don't remember at all but fair as that was about 4 years ago.
Assuming he stays in January (likely) and has no more fallouts with Jose, I think he could break into double figures for both goals and assists this year.
Well this just proves people don't even read posts.Comparing Pogba to fecking Clerveley
Some of you in here are utterly ridiculous. How can you defend him making such a pass so deep in midfield? He had so much time on the ball before he made such a silly pass to mata and it was unnecessary. It would be different if he was further up the pitch and then attempted to “skill” but that’s not the case is it?
Of course smalling making that error is a whole different scenario but the fact pogba decided to attempt that pass so deep in midfield is terrible. He needs to be more aware and not rest on his laurels. He could make that sort of pass from inside our own penalty box and some of you will still defend him.
Of course smalling making that error is a whole different scenario but the fact pogba decided to attempt that pass so deep in midfield is terrible. He needs to be more aware and not rest on his laurels. He could make that sort of pass from inside our own penalty box and some of you will still defend him.
Mourinho does not love his players taking shots from outside the penalty area. It is too much of a risk of giving away possession and even risking a counter.
Yeah, exactly why Rashford is taking so many shots from outside of the box.
When does he get the chance? Our slow and laboured build up allowing defences to set themselves, coupled with the faster closing down in England means you rarely get the chance to set up for a 30-40 yarder.
Saidly haters going to hate.
Yeah, you musn't have been around when that TC23 logo first surfaced then.
Why did you compare their workrate and attitude? So if a player misplaces a pass suddenly they aren't working hard? There's nothing comparable , the stats clearly showed he is giving a big effort (more than expected actually) in tracking back and winning the duels whist also been charged with starting our attacking moves.
Its allowed for him to do so, because he is one of the three offensive players and he will most often than not have 7 players behind him when doing just that.
Pogba and our other midfielders will have been instructed not to do so if they are not completely sure that they have the same number of United players behind them. Which a player in Pogbas position normally does not.
It is the same reasoning behind why Alexis is allowed to take on his man as often as he pleases,and Valencia cannot. Though the latter gets criticised for this over and over again. Mourinho is fixated with transitions, both defensively and offensively and he is not wrong either. Critizising Pogba for this is wrong IMO, since it is clearly a tactical approach.
Pogba not having a PL winners medal is not an issue exclusively on him. But we're talking about a guy who at 19 went over to Juve and made an impact within 3 months. At 21 he was shortlisted for the Ballon d'or. And at 22 started a CL final at a club with the likes of Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal.
You can't compare that to Cleverley's single decent season at United, when he was carried by Michael Carrick...irrespective of his 'great' attitude.
If people think Paul Pogba is the issue with this side then they need to stop watching football. Clueless.
Really looking forward to getting a proper right winger. You see how well he interlinks with Martial, imagine similar on the right.
Pogba in the Liverpool side playing with Salah and Mane would be terrifying.
Really looking forward to getting a proper right winger. You see how well he interlinks with Martial, imagine similar on the right.
Pogba in the Liverpool side playing with Salah and Mane would be terrifying.
Lmao the delusional is very real. He was immense throughout the game but that simple mistake changed the whole dynamic. I’m one of his biggest fans but his decision making is terrible. You make it seem like it’s his first time losing the ball in such an area which almost costs us. If he did that closer to the oppositions goal you wouldn’t hear a word. He simply needs to grow up and recognize we are not in a good spot for him to be casual giving the ball away in dangerous areas.
Mistakes in football is like the yin and the yang. You can't run away from it. I think costly errors like not scoring one on ones and free headers are more baffling than that attempted lob pass.
Move on guys. Let him build his confidence and perform for us.
Move on guys. Let him build his confidence and perform for us.
If Pogba did leave this summer I can't wait to see posters reactions when we have Mctominay or another giant slugger in midfield instead.
Half our fans can't see a good thing when they've got it.
No chance. Missing a chance is very common and can happen despite being focused. A cocky suicidal pass in your half deos not. Every manager will first and foremost want his team to not clown around and give away unecessary goals because they know that can easily be avoided by having the right professional mindset. Missing easy chances cannot. It's an unavoidable part of the game.
I think Pogba was mostly terrific on the weekend. And while I'm not overly bothered about the bad pass he'll be told not cut it out because it wasn't your typical cock up that happens once in a blue moon to the best. It was a genuinely baffling pass that he made out of clowning around which he does have a tendency to do sometimes.
Also being majorly at fault for two goals in two weeks will be noted. Still, loads of positives for me about Pogba right now.
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