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Isn't it a consensus vote and this is just typical political grandstanding?Tweet
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May needs Ian Paisley Jr with his delicate diplomacy on the case pronto.Tweet
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Nice strawman dude. Noone can argue that for-profit railway operation has failed.Most countries in the world have experienced the fact that government run services tend to be more inefficient than the private sector.
Yet somehow some people on here on to re-nationalize everything and expect the higher earners to pay for it.
feck me, 35% on the first £5k! No tax-free allowance at all and 83% on amounts over £20kSomewhere near 1976 maybe?
http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/repository/incometaxrates_1974to1990.pdf
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-mourinho-thread-should-he-stay-or-go.441140/I seem to be lost can someone point me towards the Brexit thread?
British Rail was a national laughing stock, public transport in t his country has always been a joke.Nice strawman dude. Noone can argue that for-profit railway operation has failed.
British Rail was a national laughing stock, public transport in t his country has always been a joke.
You do realise this was as a result of a recession don't you? I don't know why people decide to blame a specific political party, any government in power would have needed to make cuts. Maybe in your opinion the cuts have gone on for too long but this country is in every increasing debt, it's not sustainable.I think the UK is the only country that can have a party that has imposed 8 years of austerity, polling in first place. It's fecking depressing. Look at the debates around brexit for the past two years?
We are a stupid country...stupid.
Every country will have people in poor situations but we have substantially less people in that position compared to say Eastern Europe. The Brexit debate came about because a large volume of people were frustrated with the EU for varying reasons. To simply say these people are stupid for voting a different way to you is ridiculous. I'm sure the vast majority of people who voted out were not expecting it to be so difficult to leave and that the deal on the table is nothing like what they voted for. The deal should be scrapped, keep membership as it is for now and see how things go in the future in my opinion.Exactly, impoverishing people is the hallmark of a failed system.
When we start having soup kitchens or food banks feeding thousands upon thousands of people in this country, we'll know we have problems.
It was cheap when you were a kid, you only paid half fare!But they did mostly run on time and prices were cheap. Tell me what's better about the services now?
No they wouldn't. Cuts are an awful way to respond to recession, that's the time you're supposed to invest to kickstart the economy. If you're going to cut you should be doing it when the economy is roaring.You do realise this was as a result of a recession don't you? I don't know why people decide to blame a specific political party, any government in power would have needed to make cuts. Maybe in your opinion the cuts have gone on for too long but this country is in every increasing debt, it's not sustainable.
You do realise this was as a result of a recession don't you? I don't know why people decide to blame a specific political party, any government in power would have needed to make cuts. Maybe in your opinion the cuts have gone on for too long but this country is in every increasing debt, it's not sustainable.
And before you ask I have never voted Tory.
Not true, for many years I got an annual season ticket from the south coast to London. It was about 1,400 quid which was a lot, but i hear they are way more now and the service is worse.It was cheap when you were a kid, you only paid half fare!
Why is it that whenever a nationized service is shit, that's apparently proof that nationalisation is doomed to failure always, but a long series of private companies can feck up that same service, and apparently that doesn't prove anything?British Rail was a national laughing stock, public transport in t his country has always been a joke.
Even accounting for inflation for the incomes it’s insane.feck me, 35% on the first £5k! No tax-free allowance at all and 83% on amounts over £20k
Why waste billions in public money when evidence tells you they can't do it any better?Why is it that whenever a nationized service is shit, that's apparently proof that nationalisation is doomed to failure always, but a long series of private companies can feck up that same service, and apparently that doesn't prove anything?
Assuming quality of service is equal then surely the fact it would be much cheaper for the public is arguably the bigger point here?Why waste billions in public money when evidence tells you they can't do it any better?
That's the point.
Because some things can't be done for profit but are needed by society. That's a big point of government.Why waste billions in public money when evidence tells you they can't do it any better?
That's the point.
Which evidence? Last time a rail service was taken over by the government, they made it profitable did they not? But no, we have to focus instead on the feckups of governments from decades ago and ignore the repeated failures of private companies since, despite the fact those private companies have cost billions in public money from the government having to repeatedly bail them out.Why waste billions in public money when evidence tells you they can't do it any better?
That's the point.
And then taxed again when you die.Even accounting for inflation for the incomes it’s insane.
In my head, 50% total deductions seems an arbitrarily fair amount for higher incomes. Half of everything you earn.
My biggest gripe is being taxed again on taxed income through VAT, stamp duty, fuel duty, council tax etc.
Or they could just return to their home countries, leaving millions of vacancies that can not possibly be filled unless we invite immigration, particularly from Europe.EU workers in the UK need to collectively go on strike right now and stay on strike until they're all given guarantees of remaining if they want any chance of being treated like humans post brexit.
Compared to the farce currently unfolding that would be the sensible thing to do, which obviously guarantees it won't be done.The deal should be scrapped, keep membership as it is for now and see how things go in the future in my opinion.
I can’t believe someone actually thinks operating anything inefficiently is to the benefit of anyone.What is the benefit of greater efficiency if the increased efficiency only benefits the profits of foreign operators?
I don't think we should re-nationalise everything, but I don't think its as black and white as you're suggesting
And government run railway as it was decades ago was not a complete and utter failure?Nice strawman dude. Noone can argue that for-profit railway operation has failed.
Alternatively invite immigration from the US? There may be enough people fed up with Trump...Or they could just return to their home countries, leaving millions of vacancies that can not possibly be filled unless we invite immigration, particularly from Europe.
The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.I can’t believe someone actually thinks operating anything inefficiently is to the benefit of anyone.
Yeh, I don't think we want too many Yanks hereAlternatively invite immigration from the US? There may be enough people fed up with Trump...
The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.
An inefficiently run rail network is cheaper for the public than an efficient but privately run network + profits + subsidies.
I don’t disagree with it being meaningless in isolation, apart from a principle thing. Paying >half of your income is always going to grate, regardless of cost of living.Looking at and comparing arbitrary taxation rates isn't of much value without considering standard of living overall. It's the standard of living the post-tax income affords you that matters.
Also i doubt for instance those commuting on the trains daily would mind if taxation went up if it meant lower ticket prices and they profited overall. It's when they don't see the gained value that's the issue i.e. they have a price on helping out the poor and it's very very low
If that's true, it's only because the government is subsidizing the inefficient network.The logic is pretty easy to understand, but I will spell it out for you as you seem simple minded.
An inefficiently run rail network is cheaper for the public than an efficient but privately run network + profits + subsidies.
Fair pointYeh, I don't think we want too many Yanks here
No. Being a researcher is much more fun, and easier than managing people.scientific researchers should be better paid than managers