Well as long as we are winning I have no problems with that. I hope it continues forever. But you know that as soon as we lose a game this thread will be carnage. And part of the blame for that will go to all of you overrating every little bit of positive play Lingard does.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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and part of the blame will go to you and others who are blind to his obvious qualities and think of him as a midtable level player. Works both the ways.
No, it will be a carnage cause some posters just can't wait wo shit on him.
Games like today are why I call anyone who wants Lingard sold bonkers. He doesn't have to play every game, but he's a tactical dream for a manager. He works his socks off, he gets into dangerous positions and he frees up space for his teammates. And he loves the club, which means he'll always, always run harder than any moderately more talented mercenary that we can bring in.
He didn't even play that great today, but his role was essential, and he did exactly what he needed to do to make our system work.
He didn't even play that great today, but his role was essential, and he did exactly what he needed to do to make our system work.
But the haters will always hate. That's the truth. Sell Lingard get a top talent there.
They all forgotten we never had all world class starting eleven apart from that 2008-09 season. Spoiled brats.
Stating it as it is, it's not blindness, he is a midtable level player. But that's not his fault he does his best, not having a RW for years now, is the problem, and it lies with the ones who were building the team/squad.
United fans go and watch Salah rip defenders apart, then they go and watch Lingard. Then come on here and some of you are telling them how he is good enough to be a starter, his movement and what not. United fans want better, or at least that's my view. Personal insults though on our own players are unnecessary.
Yeah you seem arrogant enough to believe that only your opinion is right, there's no point in arguing with you.
Well you are the one calling people blind just because they don't rate a said player. Don't pull the humble card on this one.
Every manager seems to rate Lingard, it cannot be a coincidence.
"Fletcher also identified the crucial role played by Lingard in disrupting the opposition all game.
He added: 'A key part of being at the top of the diamond was Lingard. He was all around the central midfielders winning the ball back, putting them under pressure and reading the passes. That is what leads to the winning goal."
He added: 'A key part of being at the top of the diamond was Lingard. He was all around the central midfielders winning the ball back, putting them under pressure and reading the passes. That is what leads to the winning goal."
Well same fans were probably celebrating when Jose was hired. Speaks volumes about the wisdom.
Unfortunately this forum is toxic towards Lingard and that reflects in the match ratings over the last 6 matches. Even in the ones where he scored and had a few assists he ends up in the bottom half of our players if voted ratings are to be considered.
What's hiring one of the best managers in the history of the game have to do with wisdom? Or Salah being twice the player Lingard is?Well same fans were probably celebrating when Jose was hired. Speaks volumes about the wisdom.
By now we know by heart the garbage this guy will dump on this thread, regardless of Lingard's performance. So he need not trouble himself coming here. We will take his garbage as dumped everytime Lingard is discussed. Will save us a lot of time.
Well you have Lingard apologists accusing his critics of being a stats rating generation and you are doing the opposite to be fair.
I think I've gone through this before and can't bother again.
Think Lingard is one of those players that looks like he doesn't affect a game very much but if he played for Barcelona you'd be hearing stuff like 'such a classy player, his link up play is amazing, Barcelona have a great youth system, how much would he cost in today's market' etc.
Thought he did well, played his part. Like few already mentioned, he is important part of the team under Ole. He brings something different to the team, most of his work is off the ball and he is a good link player (as Solskjaer mentioned).
Agreed. I was also reading back through this thread, and the extent to which some people will criticise, even mock a player just to prove a point, after we've just won a crucial game, is an absolute disgrace. We've got people accusing him of "running and hiding", after he's just worked his socks off to help win a gam for them. In my opinion people like this don't deserve a club like United.
Take a look at Barcelona's team from yesterday, and tell me instead of who would he play? Every one from that midfield and attack, is in a different stratosphere to Jesse. Sergi Roberto and Jordi Alba are better footballers than him for example, and you think someone would rave about Lingard? I think that's laughable to be fair.
That's the point. If Barcelona didn't have Coutinho and they had Lingard instead, that's what people would be saying.
He wouldn't have survived with his obvious limitations at Barcelona. In my opinion that is of course.
Lingard's the new Park. Tactically flexible, intelligent, will run all day, but not the most glamorous/gifted and won't give you great stats. A quick search on premierleague.com shows that Park had 19 goals and 21 assists in 154 league games, while Jesse has 17 goals and 10 assists in 102. Hardly tearing up the ground.
This kind of player isn't going to be making key passes every 5 mins. These guys will still play in big games and run around and make good runs and fluff good opportunities (like Jesse today) and generally not look like they're "contributing" much, but will end up doing useful things like staying on top of Spurs' midfielders or man-marking Pirlo. If they're lucky they'll get a goal or assist. Park iirc loved a goal vs Arsenal/Chelsea while Jesse won us the FA Cup, and it was his interception today which ended up leading to Rashford's winner.
Chicharito was similar in that sense. Everyone could see his limitations, and his stats were never out of this world, but he'd invariably find a way to score against Chelsea, sometimes assisting himself in the process.
Can't see why anyone would be against having Lingard on the bench. A useful asset to have and homegrown. Of course we could do better with someone else starting consistently on the RW, but as lots of people have already pointed out he's a valuable squad player. Sure, he wouldn't start for Barca. Neither would Park have fit into Rijkaard or Guardiola's Barca. Each squad needs its own players.
This kind of player isn't going to be making key passes every 5 mins. These guys will still play in big games and run around and make good runs and fluff good opportunities (like Jesse today) and generally not look like they're "contributing" much, but will end up doing useful things like staying on top of Spurs' midfielders or man-marking Pirlo. If they're lucky they'll get a goal or assist. Park iirc loved a goal vs Arsenal/Chelsea while Jesse won us the FA Cup, and it was his interception today which ended up leading to Rashford's winner.
Chicharito was similar in that sense. Everyone could see his limitations, and his stats were never out of this world, but he'd invariably find a way to score against Chelsea, sometimes assisting himself in the process.
Can't see why anyone would be against having Lingard on the bench. A useful asset to have and homegrown. Of course we could do better with someone else starting consistently on the RW, but as lots of people have already pointed out he's a valuable squad player. Sure, he wouldn't start for Barca. Neither would Park have fit into Rijkaard or Guardiola's Barca. Each squad needs its own players.
He played the Frimino role very well In the first half. Definitely caught out Poch.
Thought he was great first half but could have scored (or at least hit the target). And it was a good read / interception that lead to our goal. He was clearly knackered second half and really should have come off much earlier than he did.
He isn’t though is he, and I think you’re forgetting the fact that Rooney and Ronaldo had tevez alongside them! And that’s exactly what level player Martial and Rash need alongside them
If Fred or any foreign lad we spent 50 mil on played the way Lingard does even 1 game in 2 or 3 - he would be loved and adored for being a decent enough purchase.
A 25-26 year lad late bloomer coming from our ranks us instead viewed as not good enough and a source of easy money.
The guy is good & good enough for Manchester United. We have had worse players staying here for decades & being more than useful.
A 25-26 year lad late bloomer coming from our ranks us instead viewed as not good enough and a source of easy money.
The guy is good & good enough for Manchester United. We have had worse players staying here for decades & being more than useful.
I never understood the whole “He wouldn’t get on for Barca/Real...” thing
Let’s look at their fringe players.
Barca: Denis Suarez, Vermaelen, Rafinha, Munir
Real: Vazquez, Mariano, Llorente, Vallejo, Ceballos
If you’re trying to tell me all of those guys are “world class”, you’re having a laugh.
You need players who can do a job. Lingard does his. But I agree we do need a RW and my choice would be someone like Zaha or Lozano. Someone tricky and pacey.
Let’s look at their fringe players.
Barca: Denis Suarez, Vermaelen, Rafinha, Munir
Real: Vazquez, Mariano, Llorente, Vallejo, Ceballos
If you’re trying to tell me all of those guys are “world class”, you’re having a laugh.
You need players who can do a job. Lingard does his. But I agree we do need a RW and my choice would be someone like Zaha or Lozano. Someone tricky and pacey.
WHAT?!
He did everything his manager asked him to do. Including a majour interception that allowed us to score the only goal of the game.
Thought he was brilliant yesterday. He doesn't get the praise he deserves, I feel due to the fact the a lot of supporters now base their judgement of players around stats. "Oh look, x has the best goal or assist record per 90 minutes of any Man United player," "Jesse Lingard only has only x amount of goals, he's not good enough". People think he doesn't look fancy enough on the ball. It's all nonsense. The work he does is so important. It's no coincidence that LVG, Jose, Southgate and now Ole see him as a vital part of their teams. He ALWAYS turns up on the big day. He breaks up play, links play, track runners, makes runs beyond the striker. People talking about him being the guy that could lose his place in the front 3 is Ludacris. Hope people soon start giving him the respect he deserves.
I do wonder how some of these posters make it into the mains....
He's very important to our style of play. Anyone who watches the game should be able to see this. He's not world class and won't be in the future as in game changer week in week out but he doesn't have to be. His first touch and movement is so good and him being centerpiece tip of the diamond was reason we attacked the way we did.
Good enough for our squad and probably first 11 on the right at the moment. Good squad player wouldn’t sell him.
What don't you agree with?
Why trust the word of pretty much any manager who has worked with Lingard (including but not limited to Ole, Southgate, LVG, SAF) when you can trust some
random internet pleb on Redcafe?
Adam Lallana’s Star shined brightly for a few minutes too. Leave it to United fans to put him in Barca’s side now
Oh, you again...... fun.
And what does this pointless comparison prove about Lingard? Adam Lallana was one of many players improved by Klopp. He was, at one time, an important part of an improving Liverpool team. Unfortunately he has suffered a series of long-term injuries and never regained full fitness, or at least the fitness and form he displayed before the injury. It's actually a bit sad for the lad, so not sure why you are bringing him up now.
I never heard any Liverpool supporters complain extensively about Lallana, and he certainly didn't receive the level of animosity Lingard gets by his team's own fans.
Good player. Deserves to be here. He Leaves it all on the pitch and is tactically flexible and pops up with important goals and assists. His huge contract doesn’t even look that bad now and I was the first to raise an eyebrow when I heard he was getting 100k. He’s an influential player and I think he’s very highly thought of at Utd and in the National team. He can’t do much more really but non footballing people are always going to want mega signings for every position and players sold if they have a rough patch. Rashford was shit not so long ago with the same posters. Fletcher was Fergie’s love child back in the day etc. These lads are doing a job to a very high level while not always grabbing the headlines. They let the martial pogba and Rashfords go about beating teams while chipping in with goals assists pressing and fast passing. It looks like Ole (and probably Fergie and Phelan) think he’s one of the first names on the team sheet and that should be enough but it won’t be for some fans...
I don't think it's any coincidence that our least convincing games under Ole have been the one's which Lingard didn't start.
He was good against Spurs as well - to my mind our best outfield player on the day. Ole seems to have decided on his first XI, and it includes Lingard. If there is a place up for grabs based on performances so far, I'd say it was Martial's (I don't want him to be left out, but I think he needs to do more to nail down his place).
I agree. Martial is class and obviously has his fans (me included) but lingard has been far more productive than him since Ole arrived.
I seriously wonder if commenters like @Kostov and @The Real Treble 99 have ever actually played football, or if they are simply consumers of football "entertainment product" and Football Manager.
I think that if you play regularly, then you have an instant regard for someone like Lingard, who has the movement and stamina of two players, moves opponents around constantly, shows for a pass and makes runs all the time and in general just makes everyone else play better. He's a team-player to the nth degree and the idea that he is no better than "mid-table" is particularly idiotic (weirdly enough I don't recall many players from West Ham, Bournemouth or Wolves in the World Cup semi-finals).
I have no idea why his assets aren't obvious, even to people who have only ever played FM19. Jesse is great.
I think that if you play regularly, then you have an instant regard for someone like Lingard, who has the movement and stamina of two players, moves opponents around constantly, shows for a pass and makes runs all the time and in general just makes everyone else play better. He's a team-player to the nth degree and the idea that he is no better than "mid-table" is particularly idiotic (weirdly enough I don't recall many players from West Ham, Bournemouth or Wolves in the World Cup semi-finals).
I have no idea why his assets aren't obvious, even to people who have only ever played FM19. Jesse is great.
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