[Sayros]

I think he's doing great. Sure, he's not scoring or assisting as much, but he is creating chances both for others and himself. The front three is only going to get better and better as time passes and he will get his scoring boots back on, he should be an automatic starter along with Rashford up front every game, and it's good that OGS is giving them both a consistent run.

 

[Dec9003]

It's worth remembering that Martial and Rashford are still very young.
Martial wasn't great today imo but he was still effective.
A side like Brighton who defend in numbers and are a capable side are difficult for any forward to play against.

 

[Prodigy24]

What was wrong with his left eye today? Looked swollen and weird.

 

[snk123]

1 goal, 1 assist in 6 matches under Ole. Only 7 shots taken in that period.

Martial is only player who hasn't gone up a level under Ole for some weird reason, hope he picks it up going forward. We need more productivity from him.

Could have been different numbers had the keeper not saved well and had Pogba scored against Tottenham. (just to name a couple from the last two matches)
I thought he played well today.

 

[Sterling Archer]

What was wrong with his left eye today? Looked swollen and weird.

Noticed it as well. Probably an elbow to the eye or something from training.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He can be frustrating to watch.

He just lacks that teeny bit of intensity at times.

He's a bit 'too cool' in how he plays.

 

[Rocksy]

He sleeps at times but his baseline level is now a lot better. He started to step up in the second half and could have had 3 if he was just a notch or two up in form. He could still get hold of games better and I miss some of the longer runs he was doing in his first season. The question for him is whether he is actually going to take that extra step, he’s close but there’s just something missing right now and there’s something about him that makes you wonder whether he really wants it. You don’t have the same question with Rashford.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Need a goal, seems to be low in confidence.

Unlike the usual flying Martial in how he attacks.

Worked hard, impressive effort, but just that confident thing missing.

A goal to kickstart his engine will do wonders.

 

[Wade3]

I don’t understand the complaints, he’s doing well for us.

 

[Jeppers7]

He's a great talent, him and Rashford will scare teams to death. We need to just keep them playing. The dribble and shot second half was world class.

 

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[Santoryo]

I don’t understand the complaints, he’s doing well for us.

For some reasons of he doesn't score or assist his performance get automatically labelled as average by some despite him being involved in the game and creating several chances and good plays.

He's managed to keep a consistently good level which is something people should be glad about. He only needs goals to come back to him then they'd be making his performances going from good to brilliant.

People should be looking at his overall game and contribution in the match overall rather than checking whether he'd score or not.

People have forgotten that our past wingers the likes of Giggs, Becks etc weren't pouring assists and goals left and right, especially Giggs but it was how they executed their role and being a threat on those wings that made them terrific. Martial is actually already one of the most productive winger we've had and he compliment that with his already good overall play. So when he doesn't score or assist his general play is still good like the past few games have been for him.

 

[yfoFC]

He’s been criminally unlucky in the last few games not to be involved in a goal.

This is exactly it, fine margins are separating him from having a goal or assist in each game.

The thing I like the most that I'm seeing is that he looks desperate to score and when he does, I believe he will go on another run again.

 

[Dante]

For some reasons of he doesn't score or assist his performance get automatically labelled as average by some despite him being involved in the game and creating several chances and good plays.

He's managed to keep a consistently good level which is something people should be glad about. He only needs goals to come back to him then they'd be making his performances going from good to brilliant.

People should be looking at his overall game and contribution in the match overall rather than checking whether he'd score or not.

People have forgotten that our past wingers the likes of Giggs, Becks etc weren't pouring assists and goals left and right, especially Giggs but it was how they executed their role and being a threat on those wings that made them terrific. Martial is actually already one of the most productive winger we've had and he compliment that with his already good overall play. So when he doesn't score or assist his general play is still good like the past few games have been for him.

Lingard gets pelters for the same thing.

 

[Toddler]

Good game again. Could have had two goals. Good passes and movement. Just needs little bit of extra to get those goals in. Glad to have him playing.

 

[Posh Red]

Lingard gets pelters for the same thing.

Lingard is not as threatening as Martial. I can guarantee opposition managers are far more concerned about Martial getting time on the ball than Lingard and there’s a reason for that. Lingard is a good player but Martial is a different class, and will always be more productive over the course of a season. He’s allowed to go a few weeks without a goal now and then.

 

[SteveW]

Almost scored 2 stunning goals.

 

[Dante]

Lingard is not as threatening as Martial. I can guarantee opposition managers are far more concerned about Martial getting time on the ball than Lingard and there’s a reason for that. Lingard is a good player but Martial is a different class, and will always be more productive over the course of a season. He’s allowed to go a few weeks without a goal now and then.

I don't see anybody suggesting he's a bad player. You're making that up.

 

[Posh Red]

I don't see anybody suggesting he's a bad player. You're making that up.

Where have I accused anyone of that? Not sure what your referring to there. I was trying to explain why Martial will probably get more leeway than Lingard, which seemed to be what you were questioning.

 

[Litch]

His ceiling his high and a run of games will allow him to reach it. Almost scored a couple of amazing goals yesterday. If we can get 3/4 of our top players playing to their ability, we'll make top 4 imo.

 

[Canagel]

For a spell in the second half he was carrying our attacks. Very close to scoring on two occasions and on one of those made a mockery of people accusing of "lack of movement" . the same run in behind he made for assist to Rashford a couple of weeks ago .

 

[Adisa]

His runs have improved massively as well. Made three very good ones that could have led to goals for himself. Another day he scored a hatrick.
I wouldn't worry about his numbers under Ole. Luck has played a role. He has missed out on G/A due to poor finishing and being unlucky.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Lingard gets pelters for the same thing.

If you have to question why he is getting more leeway than Lingard then you clearly aren’t watching the games.

 

[Sauldogba]

Sometimes i find it so hard to rate his performances.
Reason being he will look threatening,link up well,fade in and out of games and have shit movement all in one game.
Yesterday he was very good,decent and average all in the same game.
I will still continue to play him though but i honestly think he will never fulfill his potential and will never be world class because he simply doesn't have the hunger or desire to push himself that extra mile.

I honestly think hes an introvert and that holds so many talented people back in their professional and general lives.
He needs to break out of his shell.

 

[Sauldogba]

We need to create more situations in the game where he’s 1v1 on his fullback, as has been said numerous times already he’s always double marked because he’s been identified as a main threat. More pattern work will eventually sort this out.

I don't think that's the reason.
I think hes always double marked because his movement is poor and hes slow to release the ball

 

[Canagel]

Sometimes i find it so hard to rate his performances.
Reason being he will look threatening,link up well,fade in and out of games and have shit movement all in one game.
Yesterday he was very good,decent and average all in the same game.
I will still continue to play him though but i honestly think he will never fulfill his potential and will never be world class because he simply doesn't have the hunger or desire to push himself that extra mile.

I honestly think hes an introvert and that holds so many talented people back in their professional and general lives.
He needs to break out of his shell.

Why can he not fulfill his potential? His all round game has been very good and extremely unlucky not to be rewarded with goal/assist in recent games. What's that got to do with desire? People needs to stop making stuff up and watch the games.

 

[zenith]

If we get an effective right winger, who can keep the width, it should multiply martial impact on the game by freeing up more space on the opposite flank.

Also, hopefully shaw and him can develop more of an understanding going forward.

 

[Sauldogba]

Why can he not fulfill his potential? His all round game has been very good and extremely unlucky not to be rewarded with goal/assist in recent games. What's that got to do with desire? People needs to stop making stuff up and watch the games.

Im calling it now he won't fulfill his potential and will never be world class.
Also hes been "unlucky" for the past 7 games so something tells me its not just about luck.
1 goal and 0 assists i think the stat was in the past 7 is it?

 

[PepsiCola]

Whisker away from two great goals.

Toyed with Spurs defence at times and almost got a goal there.

Needs a goal and he'll be firing again.

 

[Canagel]

Im calling it now he won't fulfill his potential and will never be world class.
Also hes been "unlucky" for the past 7 games so something tells me its not just about luck.
1 goal and 0 assists i think the stat was in the past 7 is it?

Even in his quieter games he is contributing to our game and having impact. Some of the chances he created with his passing deserved goals. In last game has also demonstrated running in behind and clever movement - something apparently hes not able to do.

Just find it funny everytime he doesn't score we get the usual "hunger/desire" talk. When Rooney used to go on those droughts and his touch was all over the place no-one used to mention desire. It's just lazy critic reserved for Martial the same as workrate/body language nd don't understand when he's clearly impacting on our football. Just because a player doesn't run like madman doesn't mean he lacks desire.

 

[ash_86]

He looks committed. Goals aren't coming right now but the effort is there. Lot of almost moments yesterday. Just needs to adapt a few more shooting method to his arsenal .

 

[Santoryo]

Even in his quieter games he is contributing to our game and having impact. Some of the chances he created with his passing deserved goals. In last game has also demonstrated running in behind and clever movement - something apparently hes not able to do.

Just find it funny everytime he doesn't score we get the usual "hunger/desire" talk. When Rooney used to go on those droughts and his touch was all over the place no-one used to mention desire. It's just lazy critic reserved for Martial the same as workrate/body language nd don't understand when he's clearly impacting on our football. Just because a player doesn't run like madman doesn't mean he lacks desire.

I don't know why you guys beat yourselves trying to re explain such obvious things to the same posters over and over. At some point one just has to let it be and agree to disagree.

 

[Canagel]

I don't know why you guys beat yourselves trying to re explain such obvious things to the same posters over and over. At some point one just has to let it be and agree to disagree.

I should've known. The thread in the last few weeks has been real eye opener nonetheless.

 

[Sauldogba]

Even in his quieter games he is contributing to our game and having impact. Some of the chances he created with his passing deserved goals. In last game has also demonstrated running in behind and clever movement - something apparently hes not able to do.

Just find it funny everytime he doesn't score we get the usual "hunger/desire" talk. When Rooney used to go on those droughts and his touch was all over the place no-one used to mention desire. It's just lazy critic reserved for Martial the same as workrate/body language nd don't understand when he's clearly impacting on our football. Just because a player doesn't run like madman doesn't mean he lacks desire.

Thats because whilst Rooney went on these droughts you could never question his hunger or desire.
He would run his socks off,get stuck in and wasnt afraid to battle.
Bar the contract situation in 2010 of course

 

[DanNistelrooy]

Moments of brilliance on Saturday but on the periphery for most of it, still could have ended up with a goal or 2. Loved seeing his run where Lindelof found him with that pass. We don't see that movement enough from him so hopefully that is a sign of the new coaching regime.

 

[Shark]

I honestly think he’s been a tad unlucky the past few games. He could easily have more goals and assists at this stage under Ole.

 

[United58]

If we get an effective right winger, who can keep the width, it should multiply martial impact on the game by freeing up more space on the opposite flank.

Also, hopefully shaw and him can develop more of an understanding going forward.

This will be huge imo, having a right winger that hugs the touchline would give Rashford and Martial more space to work with and make us much more dynamic - looking at the heat maps, Lingard is literally dead centre when hesh right wing, and it brings so much pressure on to our striker and left winger.

 

[pocco]

This is why i think we need an all out world Brewster in our attack. Martial and Rashford see very inconsistent and it remains to be seen whether either can be the regular 30+ goals per season player that we need if we are to challenge.

Regarding Martial, it's still the same issues for me. Needs to be on his bike a soon as he gets the ball or just before. As a winger, receiving the ball standing still is no good. I feel that if he set of straight away then he could isolate the fullback more.

 

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@Ranchero

I thought I would post here since it's more relevant. I agree with you that Rashford has seemingly gotten back in to some vital form - arguably exploding to the next level up in his career.

You also said that you worried about Martial being a bit like Nani & I couldn't agree more. However - I don't necessarily think it's his fault.

Was Rashford any better than Nani at LW or RW? I don't think so - we could be calling Rashford the next Nani here if he continued his 1 in 3 good games on the wing for us.

In my opinion - Martial outdone Rashford on the wing & is arguably our LW because he is the best player we have to play in that position.

However, I don't think that LW gets the best out of him - especially to the point where he is closer to the touchline (most of the last games he played) in comparison to games where he plays as a player who plays as an inverted forward that is closer to the box than the touchline (the game against Cardiff we saw martial play as an inverted forward - allowing him to come centrally more often, initiating & scoring the wonderful team goal against them).
Look at his position


In my opinion - we need to stop playing with wingers. Wingers do absolutely nothing for Rashford apart from widening the defensive line & only gets players like Martial & Lingard out wider than they need to be.

Consider Greenwood - who is a left footed forward - supposedly resembling RVP in the way he plays. We could just slot him at RW & call it a day - however would that get the best out of him being so wide & closer to the touchline in comparison to the goal? Is he going to be a creator for us or a finisher for us?

Martial's finishing & short pass abilities are underrated - whilst his dribbling capabilities are overrated in my opinion. We put him out on the left wing asking him to beat the RB he faces with every run. After he does that then we want him to keep going & take on the next CB that lies behind the their RB. Martial doesn't do this well in my opinion - ends up losing the ball more often than not. Even if he doesn't he isn't a good crosser - so ends up making a short pass or taking a shot.

Mane at Liverpool is a great example. The lad would struggle here playing as a LW on the touchline trying to beat his man before trying to become some creator for the CF. Instead - him & Salah are the forwards at Liverpool with Firminh0 being the creator - which allows them to drift as wide as they need to on the counter yet have the ability to be central as possible when a chance is created.

We need to play with 2 inverted forwards who play just wide off the centre.

Either

Martial - Rashford
Lingard

Or,
my fave & hope for the future -

Rashford - Greenwood
Martial


In my opinion - Rashford is a great striker - but can bring a level of clinical efficiency to his game if he plays just left off the centre (not a winger but as a forward) - like the goal he just scored against Brighton.



Again his position is in the box but just to the left allowing him to use his right foot in a deadly way - similar to what mane does at Liverpool. We should let him rinse & repeat that move & then have Greenwood one day emulate exactly that but with his left foot playing just right off centre.

Whilst the centre of defence has to deal with those 2 coming in from angles - let Martial drop deep centrally to receive the ball ( he tends to do this even when he plays as a winger) - this allows him to directly take on an overworked centre of defence or if blocked - can make a short pass in to our forwards who can take shots from angles.

That's in my opinion - how we get Martial from Nani to Henry, how we get Greenwood to RVP & Rashford to a more strikers version of C. Ronaldo at LF.

The width needs to be a fullbacks job in the modern game & we need to adapt to this quickly to get the best out of our players.