[Loublaze]

Favorite under LVG and Mourinho, now under Ole as well. This is a nightmare for his most harsh critics here

He always pops up with goals and he is someone we never ever hesitate to put in a Man United team. And he's been brought through the system so he knows what this means, he knows the history, he knows everything about the club and he's someone we love."

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[Mcking]

Kostov tried to convince us that he was playing because of Mourinho's favouritism. Well there is Ole singing his praises 8 games after Mourinho. Lingard must be some sort of hypnotizer that just charms every manager he comes in contact with.

 

[ChaddyP]

Can he get a breather from the "bang average for 2 weeks now

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lukaku celbrating his assist like he scored himself is slightly cringe

 

[Brightonian]

The fact that every single manager he's had contact with has ended up making him as a regular starter is worth more than all the bizarre, jumped-up criticisms on this forum put together. Disagreeing with the manager about a player is perfectly valid of course, but there has to come a point when you acknowledge you're effectively claiming to be a better judge of a footballer than Fergie, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Southgate and now Ole combined. Not to mention the coaches of various youth sides and loan teams.

 

[WR10]

I loved his celebration with Lukaku. Lukaku was happy enough to stand there and taunt the whole stadium while Jesse obviously had planned his moonwalk on his favourite dance floor. The lads love taking the piss out of Arsenal.

 

[Shez]

We should refer Emirates stadium as 'Jesse's Dancefloor' from now on

We're playing on Jesses' floor
Na na na na Jesses' floor
Where can I find a scorer like that
On Jesses' floor

 

[KM]

The fact that every single manager he's had contact with has ended up making him as a regular starter is worth more than all the bizarre, jumped-up criticisms on this forum put together. Disagreeing with the manager about a player is perfectly valid of course, but there has to come a point when you acknowledge you're effectively claiming to be a better judge of a footballer than Fergie, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Southgate and now Ole combined. Not to mention the coaches of various youth sides and loan teams.

Well said.

He's one of the most criticised players on this forum for some reason and yet he's pretty much first choice for Ole.

Also he's better than Park.

 

[MadDogg]

Also he's better than Park.

Not sure if I'd go that far. Park's average match was better, and I'd also say he was better when played on the wing which is where they both normally play. Lingard may be better in central areas, but he doesn't get to play there all that often. Of course, that's probably why Park's average was better.

 

[roonster09]

The fact that every single manager he's had contact with has ended up making him as a regular starter is worth more than all the bizarre, jumped-up criticisms on this forum put together. Disagreeing with the manager about a player is perfectly valid of course, but there has to come a point when you acknowledge you're effectively claiming to be a better judge of a footballer than Fergie, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Southgate and now Ole combined. Not to mention the coaches of various youth sides and loan teams.

Very good post.

 

[Stobzilla]

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Love him.

On his own too. Rashford stepped out whilst Lingard went toe to toe with Xhaka and Kolasinac.

Probably the only two who can handle themselves and Jesse went for both of their necks without a moments notice after running himself into the floor for 80 odd minutes.

Same thing happened at City a couple years ago when they went after Rashford as well. Like him or not, he is a leader in this team and he would be in any team.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

@Stobzilla Yeah if there was anyone in the Arsenal team I’d have second thoughts about maybe antagonising it would be Kolasniac, he just looks like he could take care of himself and would probably be the type to do some serious damage. Good on Jesse, it’s what being a team member is about, standing up for one another and protecting each other. I mean it’s no Rafael going after Tevez but still.

Giving them the cash as well, class act, seems like a really nice guy but got to wonder was he just carrying 500 quid in cash on him or was there a bank near by or he just gives Tubes a paypal transfer later on

 

[Andersons Dietician]

The fact that every single manager he's had contact with has ended up making him as a regular starter is worth more than all the bizarre, jumped-up criticisms on this forum put together. Disagreeing with the manager about a player is perfectly valid of course, but there has to come a point when you acknowledge you're effectively claiming to be a better judge of a footballer than Fergie, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Southgate and now Ole combined. Not to mention the coaches of various youth sides and loan teams.

I mean I sort of agree but then it can also be that not every manager has a better option. You play the best option you have if they are a tremendous standard or not.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I loved his celebration with Lukaku. Lukaku was happy enough to stand there and taunt the whole stadium while Jesse obviously had planned his moonwalk on his favourite dance floor. The lads love taking the piss out of Arsenal.

It reminds me of fifa 2 player when you score and you both run off doing celebrations

 

[Kostov]

Kostov tried to convince us that he was playing because of Mourinho's favouritism. Well there is Ole singing his praises 8 games after Mourinho. Lingard must be some sort of hypnotizer that just charms every manager he comes in contact with.

Pal, at least tag me when mentioning me or my views

Mourinho was blamed for favoritism with other players also. Matic and Lukaku come to mind, and it’s nothing not already discussed. And while i’ve avoided this thread since you count my posts here, don’t go hiding when Jesse resumes regular service and clocks average performance after another. We’ve been here before remember so don’t get all cocky now.

 

[SerenityValley]

Pal, at least tag me when mentioning me or my views

Mourinho was blamed for favoritism with other players also. Matic and Lukaku come to mind, and it’s nothing not already discussed. And while i’ve avoided this thread since you count my posts here, don’t go hiding when Jesse resumes regular service and clocks average performance after another. We’ve been here before remember so don’t get all cocky now.

Nobody counts your posts - the thread tools tell you. 143 times you’ve posted to tell us how rubbish Jesse is.

 

[Loublaze]

I mean I sort of agree but then it can also be that not every manager has a better option. You play the best option you have if they are a tremendous standard or not.

That's a valid point but not a very compelling or particularly strong one. One can argue that the managers could've found better options than Lingard. LVG brought Di Maria and Memphis and they both ended up being usurped by Lingard. Southgate has a wealth of talent to choose from. It starts to appear disingenuous when you put Lingard's appearances down to a lack of better options when several managers have kept their faith in him.

Nobody counts your posts - the thread tools tell you. 143 times you’ve posted to tell us how rubbish Jesse is.

Tell it like it is

 

[Jeffthered]

Jesse is a frustrating player. I think he is benefiting from a little more clarity about his role, because I know I have watched far, far too many games with him and it is unclear what is going on. I have always stated that he is always likely to score the important goal on occasion... Ole's words are typical from him.... good, confidence building management. However.. I don't think anyone, including him thinks Jesse is the complete article yet. he needs to add to his game... more goals, more assists, disrupting the opposition.. he should aim to try and be that-week-in-week-out player.

I'm pleased to see him playing better... he is an asset when he gets a clear role given. This false nine, floating as the central striker confuses teams, I like that look. If Sanchez gets fit and starts to find and maintain form, it will be interesting to see how our attacking line looks.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

That's a valid point but not a very compelling or particularly strong one. One can argue that the managers could've found better options than Lingard. LVG brought Di Maria and Memphis and they both ended up being usurped by Lingard. Southgate has a wealth of talent to choose from. It starts to appear disingenuous when you put Lingard's appearances down to a lack of better options when several managers have kept their faith in him.



Tell it like it is

Would you rather have DiMaria on top form or Depay on top form or Jesse? I know which one comes 3rd for me. On England if the OX had been fit would Lingard have been starting as hadn’t the Ox been first choice until his injury? On that is there really the quality out there in Jesses position for England?

I don’t think it’s being disengenious as personally I think there is far more quality out there than Jesse and if our or any manager had access to them Jesse probably wouldn’t be the starter he is. I just don’t think using the “every manager uses him” is something to shout about.

I mean LVG used him out of necessity because he didn’t have anyone who could carry the ball out of midfield and Jesse became that person and when that happened DiMaria had gone and Depay was playing in a completely different position or not at all.

 

[Loublaze]

Would you rather have DiMaria on top form or Depay on top form or Jesse? I know which one comes 3rd for me. On England if the OX had been fit would Lingard have been starting as hadn’t the Ox been first choice until his injury? On that is there really the quality out there in Jesses position for England?

I don’t think it’s being disengenious as personally I think there is far more quality out there than Jesse and if our or any manager had access to them Jesse probably wouldn’t be the starter he is. I just don’t think using the “every manager uses him” is something to shout about.

I mean LVG used him out of necessity because he didn’t have anyone who could carry the ball out of midfield and Jesse became that person and when that happened DiMaria had gone and Depay was playing in a completely different position or not at all.

Lingard played as both a winger and a CAM under both Mourinho and LVG. When both Di Maria and Memphis fell out of favor it was Lingard who directly replaced them am I right? You can't accrue so many games under your belt under different managers when you're just supposedly being played because of a lack of options and because of necessity. Would you buy top form in France Memphis back and play him over Jesse now? Both Di Maria and Memphis failed in England and the minute Lingard took their playing time away he became a better option

 

[Kostov]

Nobody counts your posts - the thread tools tell you. 143 times you’ve posted to tell us how rubbish Jesse is.

I know Einstein, @Mcking checks that every day just in case. 143 seems a bit low though, taking into account how many rubbish performances he’s served over the last couple of years.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Lingard played as both a winger and a CAM under both Mourinho and LVG. When both Di Maria and Memphis fell out of favor it was Lingard who directly replaced them am I right? You can't accrue so many games under your belt under different managers when you're just supposedly being played because of a lack of options and because of necessity. Would you buy top form in France Memphis back and play him over Jesse now? Both Di Maria and Memphis failed in England and the minute Lingard took their playing time away he became a better option

The Depay of now? In a heart beat.
Lingard didn’t really take their playing time. Wasn’t it Rooney, Martial and Rashford. Lingard was if anything Rooney competition and like I had said DiMaria had left by the time Jesse had started to solidify himself in LVG’s plans near the end of that 2nd season so Lingard wasn’t replacing anyone.

I just don’t think it’s a very good base to make your stand on about how good Jesse is but each to their own.

 

[Loublaze]

The Depay of now? In a heart beat.
Lingard didn’t really take their playing time. Wasn’t it Rooney, Martial and Rashford. Lingard was if anything Rooney competition and like I had said DiMaria had left by the time Jesse had started to solidify himself in LVG’s plans near the end of that 2nd season so Lingard wasn’t replacing anyone.

I just don’t think it’s a very good base to make your stand on about how good Jesse is but each to their own.

So because Memphis is now doing better in an inferior league you'd play him over Lingard? Lets not forget Memphis failed here, the stage was too big for him. You're probably right about Lingard not replacing Di Maria but he definitely kept Memphis out when LVG lost faith in him. Below are a few posts on here from 2016 on here in the Memphis thread for that season

Overall we have the rather more prosaic talents of Jesse Lingard continuing to keep the Boy Wonder out of the starting XI.
Posted by Montpelier


Lingaard is no more than back up level it is true, yet has more assists, more goals, in the premiership
Posted by @Stacks

He'll be happy for Lingard that he got his place back, I'm sure
Posted by @caisenma after Lingard started ahead of Memphis in a game against West Brom

I do find it a bit odd to see someone with the attitude of Ronaldo when Lingard is keeping him on the bench however.

Posted by JackXX

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/memphis-depay-2015-16-performances.406638/page-141#post-18790564

Ultimately Depay hasn't been good enough to keep Jesse Lingard out of the team. And that's nobody's fault but his own

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/memphis-depay-2015-16-performances.406638/page-139#post-18779922

 

[Mcking]

I know Einstein, @Mcking checks that every day just in case. 143 seems a bit low though, taking into account how many rubbish performances he’s served over the last couple of years.

You are doing a good job of avoiding the thread tbh. I guess Lingard's performance against Burnley will show if you are actually avoiding the thread because I apparently count your posts everyday or just because his excellent performance against Arsenal has temporary deprived you of the platform to continue telling us how shit he is. Unno as you usually do after every not-so-MOTM performance.

 

[Kostov]

You are doing a good job of avoiding the thread tbh. I guess Lingard's performance against Burnley will show if you are actually avoiding the thread because I apparently count your posts everyday or just because his excellent performance against Arsenal has temporary deprived you of the platform to continue telling us how shit he is. Unno as you usually do after every not-so-MOTM performance.

Nah, it just suits you the narrative of branding anyone that does not rates Lingard as a “hater”. Lingard has had shit games in this 8 game winning streak and you can check, there are far more harsher critics than me. These not so “man of the match” are usually pretty shit as well, just don’t go hiding when that happens. Then it’s carnage, and mostly thanks to fanboys like you who overrate the feck of everything he does on a good day, and calling out those who don’t lick his ass like yourself.

 

[Habs]

Loved his dance at the Emirates, and I do think he has put in some big performances for us. But I feel that we need a WC player in his position who is consistent. Jesse has far too many average games, and even when he has a good game I feel like a better player in his place would put a more effective performance in for us.

 

[Mcking]

Nah, it just suits you the narrative of branding anyone that not rates Lingard as a “hater”. Lingard has had shit games in this 8 game winning streak and you can check, there are far more harsher critics than me. These not so “man of the match” are usually pretty shit as well, just don’t go hiding when that happens. Then it’s carnage, and mostly thanks to fanboys like you who overrate the feck of everything he does on a good day, and calling out those who don’t lick his ass like yourself.

I guess by tuesday, you will either keep avoiding the thread or you will resume doing what you have done for about 150 times. Hating or not, check out Marouane Fellaini's transfer thread. I think you'd do a better job at deciding which one it is.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

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[Kostov]

I guess by tuesday, you will either keep avoiding the thread or you will resume doing what you have done for about 150 times. Hating or not, check out Marouane Fellaini's transfer thread. I think you'd do a better job at deciding which one it is.

You are taking this Lingard debate so fecking personal, it’s tiresome. The Lingard fanboys police, have a good night.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

So because Memphis is now doing better in an inferior league you'd play him over Lingard? Lets not forget Memphis failed here, the stage was too big for him. You're probably right about Lingard not replacing Di Maria but he definitely kept Memphis out when LVG lost faith in him. Below are a few posts on here from 2016 on here in the Memphis thread for that season

If anyone kept Depay out of the team it was Martial, but yeah the Depay that has been playing this season has been great and if was to continue to play like that then I’d happily have him back. Neither DiMaria or Depay were really ousted by Lingard. Why down play the French league, I mean it’s not perfect but there is a decent standard there and I would imagine a lot of teams are looking at players from that league.

Lingard was the best option we had for the job that was required at the time just because he was used by coaches doesn’t validate what some want us to believe that he is some precious talent. He’s decent, but I wouldn’t mind getting an upgrade on his role in the team.

 

[Loublaze]

If anyone kept Depay out of the team it was Martial, but yeah the Depay that has been playing this season has been great and if was to continue to play like that then I’d happily have him back. Neither DiMaria or Depay were really ousted by Lingard. Why down play the French league, I mean it’s not perfect but there is a decent standard there and I would imagine a lot of teams are looking at players from that league.

Lingard was the best option we had for the job that was required at the time just because he was used by coaches doesn’t validate what some want us to believe that he is some precious talent. He’s decent, but I wouldn’t mind getting an upgrade on his role in the team.

I just showed you posts from 2015/16 that suggest that Lingard was getting game time at the expense of Memphis. Were those posters wrong? Im not downplaying the French league but its not as good or as competitive as the premier league is. Memphis has found his level and I doubt we'll ever see him in this league again or see him play for a top tier club like United. Im not here saying Lingard is a precious talent, im saying he's here to stay and will get games because managers love him.

 

[Loublaze]

I guess by tuesday, you will either keep avoiding the thread or you will resume doing what you have done for about 150 times. Hating or not, check out Marouane Fellaini's transfer thread. I think you'd do a better job at deciding which one it is.

Funny he mentions 'fanboy policing' when he does quite a bit of that in the Fellaini thread.

 

[Dec9003]

Out of our current front three, Jesse will always be the one people speak about "upgrading" but truth be told we'll do well to find someone who is as tactically flexible, as well as being equally determined in his pressing and movement whilst also being a much better player.

 

[deafepl]

Would like him in squad players but lets not kid ourselves, if we want to be the best team, we should upgrade him to the likes of Jesse Messi in our first XI.

 

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[Milo2035]

Always wondered what his grandpa looks like after reading that tribune piece. Grandpa's love <3

 

[haram]

Bit suspect that you dont like Lingard but have the most posts in here... @Kostov

 

[meamth]

I mean I sort of agree but then it can also be that not every manager has a better option. You play the best option you have if they are a tremendous standard or not.

Then why would he start for England if he isn't good enough? It's not like England doesn't have better options.

Coaches see more from Lingard than we ever could.

 

[Mcking]

One big problem with him is consistency and I think that stems from the fact he is always played out of position and often starts from a wide role. So, good plays are at times sporadic because he usually comes alive only when he manages to get into central areas while moving around or while linking up with his teammates. Against Cardiff for example, he was not the best player on the pitch in the first half, but got into the middle, impressively won a pen and scored when he was moved to CF. He usually seem to deliver whenever he is started through the middle too. His best performances has come in games where he was played in central positions; at the Emirates this season and last, Chelsea at OT in '17, his performances for England are some that come to mind. He also seem to pop up with goals - even if he hasn't played very well - whenever he is played through the middle - Liverpool, Arsenal at OT for this season. His best <and best scoring> period at the club(c. Dec 17) also came in the same period when he got to consistently play in central positions. He has been unable to keep up the same rate, level and consistency since he was predominantly moved back to the RF role.
He is a player that needs teammates around him, not the touchline. I think the inconsistency will persist, and Lingard will keep dividing opinions provided he's being played out of position as will be the case for every player.

 

[Funky Futurista]

He seems to come alive a bit more in the false 9 role, and I think he's a good squad player. Lacks a bit consistency, but shows up regularly in the big games. Besides that, he does a lot for the dressing room with his good mood and I gotta say that I'm loving the celebrations and the way he stands up for his teammates (especially Rashford) says a lot about his character. Hopes he develops more under Solskjær!

 

[ravi2]

Can he get a breather from the "bang average for 2 weeks now


lukaku celbrating his assist like he scored himself is slightly cringe

I really dislike that celebration that Lukaku does, it makes him look stupid.