I watched it. The fecking scumbag was a master manipulator. A real evil piece of work.
Television Leaving Neverland....Harrowing Michael Jackson Documentary
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I'm confused, are you arguing that people should just believe everything that is being claimed ?
I'll watch it tomorrow and make my own judgement based on my unparalleled body language reading skills.
Modern age media has made people extremely gullible. Look at all those Netflix anti law enforcement documentaries. There was one about two kids who murdered one's parents with a baseball bat. There is an insane amount of evidence that they did it and are guilty but watching the Netflix documentary you'd think they were innocent.
I haven't seen this documentary but no documentary should be enough to convince you of something you thought of otherwise before imo.
This - assuming the incidents happened - was the boys' first experience of what Jackson told them was 'love'/romance. Being so young and therefore uninformed on such an adult matter, is it any wonder that the victims would feel confused and conflicted, to the point of defending Jackson? And that's leaving aside the resultant public ordeal of stating he abused them...
Like he Steven Avery case, it’s clear he’s guilty but a bloody Netflix series has people petitioning for his release. feck sake
Bless the caftards with proper sense of humour
Jackson fitted the criminal profile of a predatory paedophile to a tee. He acted so much like a massive pedo that he was adopted as a pedo icon by the American Man and Boy freaks that wanted to normalise paedophilia ffs.
I don't think anyone will be making their mind up about Jackson from this documentary alone.
1.American criminal justice system is trash
2.You should always believe the victim in cases of sexual abuse.
American "documentaries", where they have to sensationalize even the simplest animal documentaries on National Geographic like some sort of Sci-Fi movie where Megalodon might be still alive to get you *suspense music* *horrific look on the face of some unknown second rate Biologist*.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Isn’t it by a UK director? Dan Reed? The guy behind the Pedo hunter documentary with Stinson Hunter
You'd be surprised then.
Why ?
Surely only people who have never heard of MJ could do that?
Plenty of people who listen to an interview with Oprah and say "ah so he's innocent" only to watch a documentary and go "He's guilty!!!"
Like I said, look at Netflix. Biased documentaries all over.
No not at all. I'm not arguing for anything. I'm asking a question. If you think, on the whole, there's a good chance it happened, does it make that much of a difference whether you can prove it or not?
It makes a big difference in a criminal proceeding, obviously. I'm curious why it does outside of that. Surely the reasonable belief already destroys his reputation as much as it could? I can't see what else the evidence would do, at an individual level.
This is on the premise that you think there's a good chance it happened. For anyone else - which you may be - I can understand why it animates them. It's the people seemingly on the fence that think it's probably true, but don't know it's true, that I find curious. Not quietly sitting on the defence, but openly attacking other people's assertions of his guilt over a question of degrees. What drives that? That's all.
Is the Channel 4 version trimmed down? Some saying it's only 3 hours compared to 4 on HBO
Not one of those posts answer what I quoted you for.
Obviously you absolutely don't need to even acknowledge my post, that's up to you. But don't think that any post that agrees with you is an excellent post and answers questions others have posed.
If that's what you think I did, then I have to apologise because I've clearly given off the wrong impression.
I just pointed out something I thought was hypocritical and explained why.
Because sexual abuse is traumatising enough to begin with. Without having to convince someone of your story. Not to mention how it makes it somewhat easier for victims to come forward. I mean there are tons of other reasons too. Also, American criminal justice system is trash.
The quote you bolded specifically referred to Jackson, not Oprah or Netflix docs.
It's quite relevant as nearly everyone who will watch this documentary will know about MJ paying off Jordie Chandler and others, sleeping with children, the Bashir interview and general erratic behaviour. So, they will by no means be making up their mind based on the documentary alone.
If someone makes their mind up over the Bashir interview that's sad.
What a sweeping statement.
Not really the point I was making.
Saw the first half hour or so last night, bloody hell.. Its very convincing so far and very hard to watch.
Even to your point, there are definitely people who will change their view based solely on this documentary.
Is that even a bad thing? A documentary like this allows people to focus on the victims and rightfully question the 05 trial and other allegations.
Or are we just not to believe these men and their families who have bared all in harrowing detail but must give the benefit of the doubt or believe an eccentric man in his 30's who finds it very acceptable to share his bed with 7 year olds.
The other reason I've read not to believe them is that they are after money. It is not uncommon for victims of sexual abuse to be left with civil court action to highlight their abuse and hold the abuser somewhat responsible, it happens very regularly in sexual harrassment cases. But if they are not to believed because if money then what of Jackson using his money to pay them off and his lawyers saying anyone else who comes out with an allegation will be torn apart through litigation. Is this also not using money to their own means to distort the truth?
Corey Feldman came out against them saying Jackson was wonderful to him so couldn't have committed these acts, pretty rich coming from a guy who tells us he was molested through his younger years in the industry. Should he be believed?
My secondary school teacher was jailed for molesting children, I was one of his class pets but he didn't molest me. Does that mean he didn't molest other children, of course not.
Even at that young age I knew that he was inappropriate but it wasn't until the allegations were made when I was older that I thought, yes, the signs of this were real.
The lavish lifestyle these two families received was more than enough to cloud his predatory ways and basically use these children. I have seen kids been very successful preyed upon with so much less then what the Jackson estate had to offer. We are dealing with some seriously sick oand horrible things that these boys were subjected to. To dismiss all that under the notion that they just want money is not cool. If you want to see vultures fight over a carcass watch the Jackson families carry on when he died. They were marching out of his house with trash bags full of shit and had a very public feud over the children and who would control the heirs to his estate. The half white and definitely not half black kids were used as pawns by this fecked up family to grab what they could and now they have the gall to dismiss these very credible accusations because all they want is money, very fecked up.
Guilty until proven otherwise is a dangerous presedent.
Great post.
One of the worst defenses is the one of well my kid was at that church or school and nothing happened to them so that couldnt have happened to that kid.
Also that because the earlier case were dropped or settled really doesnt mean that he was innocent. Only there was a lack of evidence and way to much defensive power on the other side.
The statistics regarding false accusations in rape and sex related crimes is know and the FBI claims its around 8% (even going as low as 2% or as high as 10%). Its really strange to have all these reports and accusations regarding Jackson and being a regular occurrence for decades for them all to being false.. That really doesnt make much sense at all.
Link ?
I think you might be missing the fecking point mate
Its fairly easy to find links related to this subject.
But this should help somewhat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
How so
What's to be gained by making this documentary other than the money from advertising revenue made during ad breaks?
I mean there isn't a person alive that wouldn't agree MJ was a monumental weirdo. A pedophile? I don't know (and I mean that sincerely, I wouldn't know). Does this mean these people are liars? No. But what's to be gained? MJ is dead and can't be held accountable. Even if it's 100% true what will happen ultimately?
I mean there isn't a person alive that wouldn't agree MJ was a monumental weirdo. A pedophile? I don't know (and I mean that sincerely, I wouldn't know). Does this mean these people are liars? No. But what's to be gained? MJ is dead and can't be held accountable. Even if it's 100% true what will happen ultimately?
I think peace of mind for the guys he molested and also Jackson was a scumbag who deserves ridicule and hate, not love. He deserves a tarnished legacy and the people that covered up his disgusting past don't deserve to profit from him the way his estate makes millions, no, billions since his death. That's blood money.
I also think it sets a precedent that no matter how much you try to cover it up and manipulate people and act all innocent you can and likely will be found and exposed for it. It's also a warning for parents who perhaps have vulnerable children in similar positions.
Just watching the last episode of Surviving R Kelly now, I really didn’t know this was going on.
I was never a huge Jackson fan...liked a few of his songs....who knows if these guys are being truthful or not....give each a lie detector test.
Simple thing for you to say. You're effectively telling me that society should castrate certain mentally ill people of society.
Do they need to go on television for that? Surely there's a case that they are being exploited for gain?
His legacy was tarnished in his lifetime.
Seeing his fanatics online going mental over this is crazy to me. I just can't understand that level of hero worship where you'll just completely discount something that's unflattering about your idol. This stuff has been around the man for decades. 25+ years. There's seldom smoke without fire and their testimonies are very convincing and it's chilling the manipulation and the predatory tactics he'd use.