I don't expect consistency from the Caf.
Diego Simeone - the missing one
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if you want to see what not coming to play football looks like look no further than here. not what we did last week.
The cowardly one?
Circumstances have nothing in common.
Looked on the verge of tears in stoppage time.
I like him, one of the best managers of the last few years, he’s just consistently had his chance of winning more trophies ruined by the same two players (and Ramos).
I like him, one of the best managers of the last few years, he’s just consistently had his chance of winning more trophies ruined by the same two players (and Ramos).
I know but these man made no attempt at any stage even at 2-0 to score a goal. nothing. it's unheard of in CL knockout.
Really? I'd say that the difference is that Juventus didn't gift them goals, were just far more ruthless than PSG, and we were more organised in defence than Atletico. Atletico couldn't get on the ball and were just outclassed, it happens.
It is a lot worse than what we did. They should be ashamed of themselves. Teams like that should feck off
He allowed them to be over whelmed in my opinion. They moved the ball painfully slow going forward due to being so risk averse.
10 men in the box is fecking ridiculous. He basically gave away the freedom of the wings to build a wall through the middle.
Shite brand of football and people wanted him in.
Why is that posted in here?
indeed.
And he created a siege mentality from minute one. It's not like he was ordered to do it so he shouldn't really get a pass imo.
Atleti are better than that. They didn't give Juve anything to think about going the other way. Hell we put up a better fight under Jose than Simeone did.
He was trying to defend the lead though, something that usually works for him. Would be seen as a masterclass if it worked, but it didn't so it will now be regarded as making no attempt to play football. Juventus were just too good and outplayed them.
Seems to happen in every big game for them these days though
He is a great manager, but my God, he is even more boring than Mourinho. And unlike in the beginning, he has had more than enough time to build a team that can play decent football. They've spend a lot of money, have some fantastic player and still play like Stoke in steroids.
I think those who thought I wasn’t being objective because I said I don’t like them and it’s a urban myth that they have overachieved during the years just watch this game and the players he has.
Honestly if this was done by a Mourinho or Allegri everyone would be mocking them, as its Simeone next season we will hear he is great because he finished ahead of Real Madrid.
I feel vindicated with this. Hattrick by Ronaldo, and those shitty ultras of Atlético done by him. Wonderful really.
Honestly if this was done by a Mourinho or Allegri everyone would be mocking them, as its Simeone next season we will hear he is great because he finished ahead of Real Madrid.
I feel vindicated with this. Hattrick by Ronaldo, and those shitty ultras of Atlético done by him. Wonderful really.
Obviously today was awful, awful, awful but he's been hard done by. Atletico got the shaft in the first leg and should have been bringing a 4-0 lead to Turin.
Yeah, he has one of the most expensive teams in football today, Lemar alone is a 70M player but he keeps trying to play the underdog edge like they're still fielding Antonio Lopez, Assunçao, Perea or Dominguez.
I think he is being judged on what he achieved on those seasons because it’s hardly impressive what they do.
I think the most impressive thing is that they are able to retain their players. Usually teams like them lose a pillar stone of their team every other season. Oddly they are playing some of the ugliest football in the world and are still able to convince players like Griezmann, Niguez, Koke and many more to stay. You can say what you want about Simeone but it always seems like his players are willing to die for him, even if they probably would look a lot better under a more attacking minded manager.
Still can't believe his strategy was to defend deep, with a standard back 4. That just means, against a 3-5-2, the wing backs are unmarked, and mathematically either Mandukic or Ronaldo are heading 1 v 1 against a full back (usually physically fragile). That's why a lot of managers mirror the 3-5-2, put in 3 defenders to remove the full backs from the center of the box, and to combat crosses. Buit UEFA managers are too stiff and stupid, I think the managing in the peripheries is miles ahead of what we see in UEFA. At least improvisation wise (I watch a lot of conmebol and asian football)
Even worse than that is to read on a article sometime ago where Xavi said something like Koke and Saul like to play that way under him. Against popular opinion I admire Griezmman because it’s almost impossible to do more than he does playing like that. Honestly I struggle to find a top level manager who plays like this. Can’t stand him honestly.
Xavi said it complimenting Simeone. There's a thread on here of Xavi's interviews.
Where do you get 3-5-2 for Juve exactly? Two CBs, left and right back, Pjanic-Can-Matuidi in midfield, Mandzukic central attacker, and Ronaldo/Bernardeschi on the wings?
I know I just found strange that players at this level buy it but ok.
He deserves all he credit in the world for transforming Atletico into a high competitive team, when he arrived Atletico was strugling in relegation spots he saved them and after a couple of seasons managed to won one league in Spain, several cups, a couple of Europa Leagues and has been to two UCL finals where they were extremely close to win, the first one with an starting XI that was already at the club when he first arrived.
But his style is awful to watch, Atletico is not the weak team it used to be when he first arrived, they have invested in quality players and yet he still plays like the underdog every single game. Im not saying he should be all attack, but damn Atletico must be the most borring team in Europe. His style make Louis Van Gals Man Utd's look like prime Barcelona.
Lately his style hasn't been delivering results either, so I don't think it will be too long before they part ways. Atletico fans for all the admiration and gratitude they have for him I think would love to see their team playing a little more spectacular.
But his style is awful to watch, Atletico is not the weak team it used to be when he first arrived, they have invested in quality players and yet he still plays like the underdog every single game. Im not saying he should be all attack, but damn Atletico must be the most borring team in Europe. His style make Louis Van Gals Man Utd's look like prime Barcelona.
Lately his style hasn't been delivering results either, so I don't think it will be too long before they part ways. Atletico fans for all the admiration and gratitude they have for him I think would love to see their team playing a little more spectacular.
One thing I just don't get is the complete and utter passivity. ATM have shown in the first leg that they can create chances against Juventus, and bearing in mind they have an added advantage of having kept a clean sheet in the home game, surely it would make some sense to try to score another goal and probably effectively end the tie?
defensive football has become outdated . mourinho, simeone, conte.. their football has no place in this era of possesion and high pressing. allegri is guilty of conservativeness too but can switch it on attacking mode when desperate like 2nd leg at the Bernabeu last year or yesterday.
Some of these comments are simply moronic.
Juve is not some small team filled with scrubs nor is Juve stadium the easiest one to play in.
Atleti had a 2-0 lead and Simeone played to the strength of his team - defense. They were also missing Costa and Filipe Luis (putting Juanfran as LB and leaving Arias to be tormented at RB).
If not for CR having one of those games, Juve would have only huffed and puffed for 90mins and still gotten eliminated.
Juve is not some small team filled with scrubs nor is Juve stadium the easiest one to play in.
Atleti had a 2-0 lead and Simeone played to the strength of his team - defense. They were also missing Costa and Filipe Luis (putting Juanfran as LB and leaving Arias to be tormented at RB).
If not for CR having one of those games, Juve would have only huffed and puffed for 90mins and still gotten eliminated.
Funny part is, when they do decide to play, they actually are capable of playing some tidy and neat stuff.
It's just not often.
Ronaldo having those game is guaranteed if you sit like that and allow them to bombard your box with crosses. no shot on the fecking goal. CL knockouts. embrassing
He's been really struggling in the UCL over the past two seasons. Knocked out in the group stages last year and this season came second to Dortmund (lost 4-0 away) and now knocked out by Juve (lost 3-0 away).
No its not guaranteed - prior to today, Ronaldo had scored only 1 goal in 6 CL games, and for all the 'bombarding' that Juve did, they had only 4 shots on target
But according to your genius, Simeone should have had his team push forward and make it easier for Juve to score!
Juventus was clearly better throughout, and if anything final score flattered ATM. Surely you can't claim that the approach was right? Especially since any goal scored by ATM would make it infinitely harder for Juve.
ronaldo always saves himself for the knockouts plus he missed a couple of game with suspension I think. athletico never put juventus under any kind of pressure in any stage of the game. 1 goal would've likely killed the juventus morale and they had 90 minutes. didnt try. like sitting ducks waiting to picked off.
Of course the approach was right. It was not the most pleasing to watch but it gave Atletico the best chance of getting a favorable result. You play to your strengths, and not help your opponent achieve theirs.
They played their usual 4-4-2, with (excluding injury and suspension) the same lineup that won 2-0 at home. In fact, the lineup in Turin was more attack minded with Lemar instead of Thomas and Arias instead of Filipe.
Atletico have never been an attacking force (even in the 1st leg, Juve had 64% possession), and with the 2-0 lead, their best shot is to defend well and take their chance on the counter and set pieces. With the team weakened defensively, trying to have a go at Juve would have only made it easier for Juve to score.
On the other side, you have juve who are playing at home, having played their last game also at home on Friday, rested all their key players and are overall a better team than Atletico (even in defense). Juve also have a player like CR for these kind of games. Most importantly, Allegri learnt from the first game and went for a more direct and aerial attack.
For perspective, two seasons ago, Juve beat Barcelona 3-0 in the first leg and in the return leg, they sat back and forced a 0-0 draw.