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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Paul the Wolf

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Just to add to my post above - May did too much of the negotiation herself, IMO. The policy was "leave the EU". How that happened was open to negotiation, of course.
I get your point and of course the civil servants will advise the government but having said that the agreement was based around May's red lines and based on those the agreement was more a technical legal negotiation because the agreement couldn't actually be much different to what it is.

Unfortunately so many people seem to expect some sort of agreement regarding the future relationship by now, unless people want no deal or to cancel Brexit they should actually vote for the deal so that the future relationship can be negotiated in the coming months and years.
 

SteveJ

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I assumed he was impersonating Boris...
 

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I get your point and of course the civil servants will advise the government but having said that the agreement was based around May's red lines and based on those the agreement was more a technical legal negotiation because the agreement couldn't actually be much different to what it is.

Unfortunately so many people seem to expect some sort of agreement regarding the future relationship by now, unless people want no deal or to cancel Brexit they should actually vote for the deal so that the future relationship can be negotiated in the coming months and years.
Yes, good point about the red lines. I agree with you on the second paragraph, really. Approve the deal and then water it down as far as possible in the longer-term negotiations when May's gone. It would, however, depend on who we get for the next PM.
 

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Even his hair has left the EU.
 

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They were but they negotiate according to what they are told to negotiate. They can't decide the policy.
I wrote to my local MP the week after the referendum saying that he shouldn't vote to revoke A50 until the government has a policy paper setting out what was the position we were negotiating on.

He basically told me that the Tories were never going to set out a policy beforehand and to give up any hope of delaying the A50 process.

The position was 'cake and eat it' with some red lines to appease the xenophobes - giving our negotiators no chance really.
 

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Yes, good point about the red lines. I agree with you on the second paragraph, really. Approve the deal and then water it down as far as possible in the longer-term negotiations when May's gone. It would, however, depend on who we get for the next PM.
Yes exactly.
Getting rid of May seems like a good thing, then you look at who could possibly succeed her and peoples concerns return.
 

Paul the Wolf

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I wrote to my local MP the week after the referendum saying that he shouldn't vote to revoke A50 until the government has a policy paper setting out what was the position we were negotiating on.

He basically told me that the Tories were never going to set out a policy beforehand and to give up any hope of delaying the A50 process.

The position was 'cake and eat it' with some red lines to appease the xenophobes - giving our negotiators no chance really.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Shameful how the whole process has been handled.
 

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Sky said:
Great Grimsby MP Melanie Onn has quit as Labour's shadow housing minister.

It comes after Labour MPs were ordered to back any Brexit deal in this parliament being put to a public vote.

She has been a vocal opponent of a second referendum.