Massive Spanner
The Football Grinch
And I have no issues with freedom of movement but these people who are taking full advantage of it, do, obviously, hence: wankers.Just have. And...
And I have no issues with freedom of movement but these people who are taking full advantage of it, do, obviously, hence: wankers.Just have. And...
OK I can understand that; only if you have proof that 'these people' are against such freedom of movement.And I have no issues with freedom of movement but these people who are taking full advantage of it, do, obviously, hence: wankers.
Well take their ages and the ratio of people who voted to leave their age and you get the gist. Obviously not all of them did but a lot of them did.OK I can understand that; only if you have proof that 'these people' are against such freedom of movement.
I am not saying that they don't but my point is that people are making sweeping generalisations which are not always correct.
And probably much better for their health.Yes, a lot of the British winter travellers to the warm parts of Europe have low incomes. They've been able to survive by living in mobile homes or even caravans, they get their pensions and free healthcare plus Brit-style cheap food in the resorts. It's less expensive to live abroad, where you don't need to have the heating on for months at a time.
You don’t need history to know that cutting your nose off isn’t good for your face.Well how do you possibly predict impending Brexit chaos based on nothing ?
Good one. Hope @Stanley Road reads it.Just posting this here, for no particular reason:
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/no-youre-not-entitled-your-opinion/
“Soon we will be run by a Nazi plan in a Communist EU”The current thing with Brexiters is trying to perform some kind of group protest, but they're all coming up with different stuff. There's a group on Facebook sharing it all and I'm seeing so many similaraties with the Flat Earth group, especially in terms of how stupid they come across.
We shouldn't call them idiots though because it ignores their real concerns about the EU that they've always had.
natzi*“Soon we will be run by a Nazi plan in a Communist EU”
Hmm...
Yeah, he did Communist with just 1 m also. I just couldn’t bring myself to actually type it.natzi*
Peter Hills seems quite upset. Loosing his heratige and all that. Poor guy.The current thing with Brexiters is trying to perform some kind of group protest, but they're all coming up with different stuff. There's a group on Facebook sharing it all and I'm seeing so many similaraties with the Flat Earth group, especially in terms of how stupid they come across.
We shouldn't call them idiots though because it ignores their real concerns about the EU that they've always had.
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Contry is goin to shatPeter Hills seems quite upset. Loosing his heratige and all that. Poor guy.
Was easily workable in 24 monthsEh? I think you've missed my point about Norway.
You need the Single Market and Customs Union for trade and for the GFA. Norway doesn't solve either and that was my point.
What was, I'm not following you now. It will never solve the problem.Was easily workable in 24 months
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Bang on.How nice of May to try and find common ground with Labour after she already negotiated a deal with the EU and after the original leave date. It's still a denial of simple realities isn't it? It took years to get to her current deal and now she wants to negotiate common ground with her opposition and re-negotiate with the EU (who already ruled out any such thing) on that basis? When there are only days left?
Seriously though, I don’t understand the hesitation to call these people idiots. A sizeable portion of them are quite clearly idiots. You only have to read suggestions like ‘withdraw all our money from the bank’ and ‘drive slow on the highway’ to know that these people have about 5 brain cells between them. Stupidity should not be coddled.Peter Hills seems quite upset. Loosing his heratige and all that. Poor guy.
What good does that do though?Seriously though, I don’t understand the hesitation to call these people idiots. A sizeable portion of them are quite clearly idiots. You only have to read suggestions like ‘withdraw all our money from the bank’ and ‘drive slow on the highway’ to know that these people have about 5 brain cells between them. Stupidity should not be coddled.
It’s no different to calling flat earthers and sandy hook ‘truthers’ idiots. They are what they are.
And has speaking to them reasonably and rationally made anyone consider other things?What good does that do though?
All it serves to do is make people double down on it
I've lost all respect for the lot of them. To the point where if I'd get the feeling my doctor was one of them I'd seek to change doctor just because of it.We shouldn't call them idiots though because it ignores their real concerns about the EU that they've always had.
The lack of willingness to engage how we got here and why a large portion of the country believe this shite is as stupid and lazy as any Facebook post.Seriously though, I don’t understand the hesitation to call these people idiots. A sizeable portion of them are quite clearly idiots. You only have to read suggestions like ‘withdraw all our money from the bank’ and ‘drive slow on the highway’ to know that these people have about 5 brain cells between them. Stupidity should not be coddled.
It’s no different to calling flat earthers and sandy hook ‘truthers’ idiots. They are what they are.
I wholly agree with you. How these things were allowed to fester and develop, and misinformation allowed to spread without people caring to appraise it is definitely something that needs to be addressed. At no point did I say that calling people stupid is a good enough response to all of this. All I said is I wouldn’t hesitate to say that a fair portion of these people are indeed stupid.The lack of willingness to engage how we got here and why a large portion of the country believe this shite is as stupid and lazy as any Facebook post.
Calling people stupid isn't a good enough response, even if its true.
Especially worrying when you get to my age.
Oh I didn't mean you in particular but the overall response in general.I wholly agree with you. How these things were allowed to fester and develop, and misinformation allowed to spread without people caring to appraise it is definitely something that needs to be addressed. At no point did I say that calling people stupid is a good enough response to all of this. All I said is I wouldn’t hesitate to say that a fair portion of these people are indeed stupid.
It's a good reason not to make such a massive change based on what they voted on though. Unrealistic unfortunately, but a good reason.The lack of willingness to engage how we got here and why a large portion of the country believe this shite is as stupid and lazy as any Facebook post.
Calling people stupid isn't a good enough response, even if its true.
We spent months before the referendum laying out the dangers, and got ‘Project Fear’ thrown in our faces. feck these idiots.The lack of willingness to engage how we got here and why a large portion of the country believe this shite is as stupid and lazy as any Facebook post.
Calling people stupid isn't a good enough response, even if its true.
To me, they are epitomised by the young woman I met at a gym just before the referendum, who kept saying "we have to leave because Turkey will be joining soon." I said they wouldn't because there were a lot of requirements Turkey wasn't going to meet, she said everyone was talking about it on Facebook and Muslamic ray-guns and so on.We spent months before the referendum laying out the dangers, and got ‘Project Fear’ thrown in our faces. feck these idiots.
Was this something that people seriously mentioned?Muslamic ray-guns
She is just so condescending isn't she. An insult to peoples intelligence. Yet again she is trying to shift the blame but anyone who knows anything about current events knows full well that it is all down to her.What in the name of fcuk is that latest video from May. The Tories really don't live in the real world.
I really shouldn't share that.Was this something that people seriously mentioned?
Maybe I'm putting it across badly but my point isn't about reaching out to those who voted leave but to try and understand what lead up the point where 17 odd million people believed shite and voted for shite.We spent months before the referendum laying out the dangers, and got ‘Project Fear’ thrown in our faces. feck these idiots.
I really shouldn't share that.
In my view this whole situation goes way beyond the campaign, which was undoubtedly full of lies.Maybe I'm putting it across badly but my point isn't about reaching out to those who voted leave but to try and understand what lead up the point where 17 odd million people believed shite and voted for shite.
The warnings before the referendum - basically a liberal government that put in place austerity, a financial sector who destroyed the economy and faced no jail time, a press who were caught hacking the phones of people who had been murder and decades of anti EU shite had some effect on why people didn't listen to the Remain side ?
I guarantee a large amount of leavers had no interest in or clue about the EU until it became a chance to stick it the normal people like them who aren't bitter idiots/don't like war/aren't nationalists.In my view this whole situation goes way beyond the campaign, which was undoubtedly full of lies.
We had become used to and possibly conditioned to blame the EU for everything.
Nobody really stood up for the EU and its benefits.
It was a steady build up over many years and eventually became the norm. Nobody really challenged it and the big bad EU became the narrative.
The remain campaign was indescribably awful whereas the leave campaign was simply playing to people's deep seated misconceptions.