In many ways Harold Shipman was acting out of civic duty.Ah, The agonies of a local Labour MP in a leave constituency. But also a marginal constituency.
MP claims he is not against Brexit, but votes against it every single time because his primary concern is jobs.
His local Labour council want to build another 20k houses, 8k on green belt. Also lots more new warehouses on green belt for additional jobs needed due to expansion.
He seems to be against that, which is also my own position.
Talk about wanting it both ways.
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Next thing they'll want the army to stage a coop d'état to "restore democracy".
I'm interested to see what reason she's going to give to warrant an extension. I have this image of the other 27 leaders in chorus singing "We don't believe you!"
Political alignment doesn't really come into it on the promotion side. Most of the time we don't even know if someone is left/right wing because they only comment on football related stuff and we generally don't go trawling through their post histories before giving a like. If we were against anyone right wing, Colin and Erica wouldn't be here today.
A lot of forums don't have a newbie system but they do have a 'swing' one way or the other
RedCafe
Poll
Remain: 73.8% (482 votes)
Leave: 26.2% (171 votes)
The Liverpool Way (Liverpool FC fan forum)
Poll
Remain: 80.7% (222 votes)
Leave: 19.3% (53 votes)
Red and White Kop (Liverpool FC fan forum)
Poll
Remain: 66.5% (574 votes)
Leave: 16% (138 votes)
Don't know: 7.9% (68 votes)
Not voting: 9.6% (83 votes)
Grand Old Team (Everton fan forum)
Poll
Remain: 64.6% (512 votes)
Leave: 35.4% (280 votes)
Wearside Online (Sunderland fan forum)
Poll
Remain: 11% (4 votes)
Leave: 74% (26 votes)
Don't know: 14% (5 votes)
Onefootball (UK football forum)
Poll
Remain: 64% (112 votes)
Leave: 36% (63 votes)
Digital Spy (Entertainment forum)
Pre-vote
Remain: 36% (431 votes)
Leave: 63% (761 votes)
Exit poll
Remain: 26% (85 votes)
Leave: 73% (241 votes)
These are the closest:
Bluemoon (Man City fan forum)
Poll
Remain: 47.9% (503 votes)
Leave: 52.1% (547 votes)
Football Forums
Poll
Remain: 47% (55 votes)
Leave: 53% (62 votes)
Brexiteers already making it clear any agreement is toast once they knife her.
I don't think the EU should keep giving extensions. What is agreed for once should be followed through. Otherwise this could keep going on ad infinitum.
Jesus Christ, the Sunderland one
Signed up to the largest one (RTG) but taking forever for them to approve/reject my registration. Pretty confident if they've got a poll on there that they're pretty heavy Leave, same as on West Ham forums (can't seem to find a poll on them)Jesus Christ, the Sunderland one
For me, I think the key are the elections. If we participate in those, the chances of brexit happening diminish significantly. Personally think May is trying to delay as much as possible until it's really her deal or no deal.
Although it's not really me who believes in them. Brexiteers including Jeremy & Theresa will be happy.
That's the idea.
I am not sure what type of botched elections will transpire if we reach that point. Attempts for Tory sabotage of those elections seem likely.
Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Germany are expected to be the worst effected economically by a no deal Brexit (after the UK, of course). The German economy looks to be going into recession (and German manufacturing is already in recession) - I imagine they might all be quite keen on a long extension to A50 to prevent serious damage.
France, Italy and Spain, perhaps less so, as they are less exposed, and might therefore require some real persuasion to continue with this farce any longer.
I think they're overplaying their hand... again.
Firstly if the WA agreement gets signed by the UK and EU it's not a national law, but an international one. Which means future parliaments are bound by it. The political declaration is not, but it means little if they are already bound by the constraints of the WA.
But more importantly, by loudly proclaiming they will not abide by the political declaration all they are really saying to Labour and Corbyn is "you better push for a 2nd ref because all you agree in is pointless anyway". Which suits me, if we get our second vote.
Labour just need to pull their finger out and coalesce around that. They can't change the WA agreement anyway and that's the only binding legal document.
They (EU) don't want a Brexit, obviously. And the longer this gets delayed the more likely it is to head for a 2nd ref or revocation. Why would they not, bedgrudingly, grant them so long as the UK is requesting them?
There is indeed a massive hassle in keeping this charade going, but putting the breaks on extensions and forcing a no-deal brexit would be political suicide for a lot of those EU27 leaders. Any crisis, political or economical, that ensues from no deal Brexit within their borders they'll be held responsible for by their electorate.
Macron is acting tough, but France GDP growth is like 0.2% per quarter, it has near 100% debt and the country's budget is running on a widening deficit above the EU's accepted 3%. If France takes a financial hit from this, he starts imposing taxes in response, the yellow vests are out on the streets again.... he will be as weak as. It's not in his interest either. He's acting a bit like a populist atm, but he'll back down when the chips are down.
I'm not even that right wing, I just can't stand Socialism.
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Nobody sane wants Brexit. But this issue needs to be closed at some point. Far too much time spend on both sides doing pointless discussions. Unpleasant certainty is better than uncertainty.
Doesn't that go against the CAF rules of respecting other members? I will remember that one next time I want to insult someone on here. Provided I put:
PS Fecking moron, at the end of my post I can mitigate myself of being banned.
So - it seems like instead of diving head first into oblivion we're stumbling into it, hitting every ledge on the way down.
Could you imagine how different this place would be if we were all polite to each other? How long have you been here?
Sounds like you're looking for a safe space....
Cheers Damo, interesting figures.
I don’t know where you read that, but there’s a near infinite number of scenarios where this isn’t true. I believe Brexit is one of them.
Make the leaving process last forever.
I was referring strictly to Brexit. I am not sure your sentiment is shared by the CEOs of various multinationals that have operations in the UK or conduct business with companies within the UK . Brexit has rendered long term planning useless.
Sorry, was planning to reply to you , then got interrupted, then forgot...We’ve decided to keep this Brexit process going, for another FIFTY cycles!
With endless options for renewal...
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With endless options for renewal...
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You do what you want but the post that you quoted had nothing hypocrite about it, he didn't ask you to be polite. He simply pointed to the fact that you are not going to prevent people from politely discussing your posts.
Multinationals will adapt anyway. But for other, national and smaller businesses who's model is not viable without a deal and access to the single market.... any delay is stay of execution.
It's not as clear cut as you make it sound. Uncertainty is nerve wracking, but there's no relief in knowing you're doomed either.
Barnier has been saying this almost from day one, he knows that the binary choice option posed in the referendum never goes away, you either remain (revoke A50) or you leave with no deal, its simples. The EU cannot and will not give the UK a 'good deal' (in UK's terminology), until it leaves the EU. No matter how many extensions are given and how many times we go round the mulberry bush, the answer is always the same!
The only point at which Barnier is IMO being naïve, is if he thinks in the context of a 'no deal' situation the UK is going to stomp up the £39B before the trade deal is done, "nothings agreed until everything is agreed" also remains a truism!
The UK are hardly going to be in any position of strength when negotiating a future trade deal after crashing out though. Quite the opposite.
Nuke Sunderland imo.
I don't see how this can help even smaller businesses . If you have to pivot or altogether shutdown your company and look for a job, you still need time . Same for your employees.
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Because you might not have to shut down if a deal is ultimately agreed. Hence uncertainty, while highly undesireable, is better than certain catastrophy.
And they are in a position of strength now, are they??
That's why the revocation of A50 is the most likely outcome, and always has been. The Will of the people never stood a chance and never has done in the history of the UK, we are after all legally subjects of the Crown, not citizens. Revoking A50 means there will be no further referendums, no more extensions and no more continuing uncertainty, except of course in the internal Politics of the UK and within the EU itself. In the UK almost every MP will be in danger of being, deselected, losing their majority, or being sent to the Tower at the next GE.
I was talking relatively to accepting the Withdrawal Agreement.
Revocation is the least likely outcome in my opinion, unless it is due to a people's vote. Which I also consider unlikely at the moment.
I'm not sure what a good deal is supposed to be in the UK's eyes. If it is what Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have been wanting which is picking off a menu and not adhering to the fundamentals of the EU or paying for it, it's ridiculous
The £39bn is another red herring. The Uk have to pay for what they owe which will be less if they leave with no deal because they wouldn't have to pay for the transition period.
The withdrawal agreement is mainly about paying what they owe, respecting people's rights and not breaking the GFA.
Unless people are determined to stop Brexit there's no reason not to vote for it.
I don't believe May has got the guts to revoke A50.
Where I think the EU is being naïve is that they somehow still have faith that the UK will ever come to an agreement between themselves.
Feck in hell it was a tongue in cheek bolt on because of how triggered you were being
If you're offended by being called a snowflake then god help ya, can't say i care either way