Daniel James | Officially Signs

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If we’re buying him now it’s because of his low price, high potential.
Can’t believe the amount of moaning in this thread! Jesus you lot are unreal. Spoilt.
 
I'm not sure if it's refreshing that the kid is almost so unknown that there's barely a Youtube video that isn't just that one goal or if it's a sign that he's literally just pace and doesn't do much else.

Do we have any Swansea fans on the Caf who can give a proper assessment?
 
Josep Dowling said:
You have no idea how long I followed United to make such a comment. I’m more concerned why we are buying a LW when we have more than enough cover on that wing, It’s the other wing we need a player as we don’t have a RW. However promising James is I’d rather buy someone we actually require. Look how the Dalot signing has turned out and he cost £20m, it will be the same thing, he’s need 2 years before he will even play regularly, we need better first 11 players now.

It’s all well and good buying young players but surely we should be after the Tielemans of this world, young with experience at a high level, in a position we need, who can start straight away. Not some 21 year old, with no Premier League experience in a position we already have Martial and Rashford for that position. So two players that are 22/23 years old next season.
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Hopefully Martial is out this summer and we are adding a couple of fresh new players in the positions we need. I guess signing James could be seen as shifting some of the crap like Martial and Sanchez and signing a young, hungry player and actually making money from it to spend elsewhere like in midfield, defence and another attacker at least.
 
Josep Dowling said:
You have no idea how long I followed United to make such a comment. I’m more concerned why we are buying a LW when we have more than enough cover on that wing, It’s the other wing we need a player as we don’t have a RW. However promising James is I’d rather buy someone we actually require. Look how the Dalot signing has turned out and he cost £20m, it will be the same thing, he’s need 2 years before he will even play regularly, we need better first 11 players now.

It’s all well and good buying young players but surely we should be after the Tielemans of this world, young with experience at a high level, in a position we need, who can start straight away. Not some 21 year old, with no Premier League experience in a position we already have Martial and Rashford for that position. So two players that are 22/23 years old next season.
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We could be losing one or two in that position or allowing Martial or Rashford to play as CF next season.

If we signed someone established, say Dybala or Bale at a substantial cost, and Tottenham were to sign this lad and he ended the season on 10 goals. This place would meltdown at another piece of smart business from Levy, turning £15m championship players into £60m prem players.

Look at Maddison at Leicester. He’s looking at an England place now. How much is he now worth?

Deli Ali also came from MK Dons to Tottenham.

Teliemens is all well and great but he will cost £50m in this market.
 
Infestissumam said:
I can see why he's apparently been the reason for quite a few yellow and red cards this season. Those fouls at 0:12 and 1:02 particularly ... either you hack him down or he's GONE. Ridiculous pace to say the least. Imagine bringing that guy on with 15-20 minutes left in a game against tired opposition.
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It's certainly a really exciting idea on paper but he won't get that space in the Prem so it'll be interesting to see the adaptation to the level up.

Teams will be forced to sit deeper against us though which is certainly something. We'll be a proper threat on the counter with him in the squad.
 
Genuinely excited by this, a young hungry lad with pace to burn, a point to prove and for next to nothing in relative terms..... It's win win.
 
golden_blunder said:
If we’re buying him now it’s because of his low price, high potential.
Can’t believe the amount of moaning in this thread! Jesus you lot are unreal. Spoilt.
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This, so much. It's like bar a signing like De Ligt, Ole cannot win regardless of who he signs. Dybala? Castaway from Juve. Koulibaly? He is almost 30! James and Godfrey? What, we are signing Championship players now? Fernandes? Players that City does not want to sign?

From the limited videos I have seen of James, he seems comfy enough on his weaker foot, has a good attitude and work rate, and is able to keep close control of the ball while still running at pace. I think he is more than a "kick and rush" player.
 
He's not 29 so that's a plus.

-not United quality
-not PL proven
-we don't need a LW
-will stop Chong and Gomes
-we need established players
-we need leaders
-has just space
-not enough high xG
-too few goals and assists

Have I missed something?
 
Godfather said:
I have no idea who that guy is. Was just laughing at those passes in the YouTube clip. What has his age to do with that? Can't pass a ball when you are 20?
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A Player , 20, gives the ball away 2-3 times in a you tube clip of 1 game in 3 mins. Hilarious. Best not sign him so. He has no hope.
 
golden_blunder said:
If we’re buying him now it’s because of his low price, high potential.
Can’t believe the amount of moaning in this thread! Jesus you lot are unreal. Spoilt.
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By the law of averages we deserve a win transfer wise regarding young potential. So I look forward to it if it happens.

Bebe, Powell, Zaha, Depay etc didnt work out too well so fingers crossed.
 
Red00012 said:
A Player , 20, gives the ball away 2-3 times in a you tube clip of 1 game in 3 mins. Hilarious. Best not sign him so. He has no hope.
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Getting a little sissy there? Jesus calm your tits everyone. It was just funny how bad his final ball in that clip is. Who knows maybe he is the new Giggs or Bale. He is Welsh and has pace so surely he has to be.
 
Ban said:
He's not 29 so that's a plus.

-not United quality
-not PL proven
-we don't need a LW
-will stop Chong and Gomes
-we need established players
-we need leaders
-has just space
-not enough high xG
-too few goals and assists

Have I missed something?
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Nope.

But do that again for the positives so I can make my mind up :D​
 
Relevated said:
Talksport says he's a Liverpool fan. If they come calling he will go packing.
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It means so little to professional footballers it’s irrelevant. See Alan Smith as an example. Sterling was a Utd fan, Gerrard was an Everton Fan, Kane was an Arsenal fan etc etc. You think it makes a difference as you see it from a fans perspective, but it really doesn’t. He will make a decision based on what’s best for him, not whose shirt he wore when he was 12.
 
crossy1686 said:
We could be losing one or two in that position or allowing Martial or Rashford to play as CF next season.

If we signed someone established, say Dybala or Bale at a substantial cost, and Tottenham were to sign this lad and he ended the season on 10 goals. This place would meltdown at another piece of smart business from Levy, turning £15m championship players into £60m prem players.

Look at Maddison at Leicester. He’s looking at an England place now. How much is he now worth?

Deli Ali also came from MK Dons to Tottenham.

Teliemens is all well and great but he will cost £50m in this market.
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Maddison was well known by anyone who follows English football, the same with Dele Alli. I hadn’t even heard of Daniel James until we were linked with him this week. It’s not like I don’t watch enough football to know who he is. We signed Zaha after an immense season. James’ highlights are what exactly, he can run flat out without controlling a football?

And I’m not suggesting we buy Tielemans now but we played Anderlecht in the Europa League two seasons ago. He was immense against us in both legs just like Dendonker and we didn’t make a move for either. Now both are in the Premier League and are easily £40/£50m players.

I have nothing against Daniel James it’s more the strategy we are putting in place to sign players. We have no players in some positions, shit players being forced into a new positions whilst we sign someone who once again won’t start regularly for 2/3 years and that’s if he’s even good enough to do that.
 
Wouldn’t mind us sending them Chong on loan in return for us getting James.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
It means so little to professional footballers it’s irrelevant. See Alan Smith as an example. Sterling was a Utd fan, Gerrard was an Everton Fan, Kane was an Arsenal fan etc etc. You think it makes a difference as you see it from a fans perspective, but it really doesn’t. He will make a decision based on what’s best for him, not whose shirt he wore when he was 12.
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Ramsey United fan. We were in for him, along with Arsenal but ended up at Arsenal because he felt he would get more game time.
 
Can't believe the daggers are out for lad before he has even arrived ? If Giggs has seen him up close and rates him then for me I have trust there is something there and 15mil in today's world is absolutely nothing.
I'd rather we got a young hungry team playing for the badge than overpaid over hyped lazy pricks who think they are better than they are !
 
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I’d be behind this transfer. The marquee names and big money names who were supposed to take us to the next level haven’t done that. Low cost, high potential... why not?

I’d rather give a squad place to a young British kid who’s hungry for success, than some expensive foreigner who has alterior mercenary motives.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Maddison was well known by anyone who follows English football, the same with Dele Alli. I hadn’t even heard of Daniel James until we were linked with him this week. It’s not like I don’t watch enough football to know who he is. We signed Zaha after an immense season. James’ highlights are what exactly, he can run flat out without controlling a football?
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If you didn't know who he is, then it's quite obvious that you don't watch enough English/British football.
James is highly rated for a reason, saying his strength is in flat out running shows your ignorance.
 
matherto said:
It's certainly a really exciting idea on paper but he won't get that space in the Prem so it'll be interesting to see the adaptation to the level up.

Teams will be forced to sit deeper against us though which is certainly something. We'll be a proper threat on the counter with him in the squad.
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Teams have been dominating us for the past two years. He would be fine.
 
matherto said:
I'm not sure if it's refreshing that the kid is almost so unknown that there's barely a Youtube video that isn't just that one goal or if it's a sign that he's literally just pace and doesn't do much else.

Do we have any Swansea fans on the Caf who can give a proper assessment?
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@Cascarino is one. Wasnt online for a while. Hope he comes back to give is some insight
 
Denis79 said:
That's not how it works in the Cafe. Posters are drawing their lines and chosing their future camps. He's either shit or the new Ronaldo, no inbetweens here and your rational and intelligent post is worthless.
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:lol: thanks... but I'm not new here. It does feel like it's gotten worse though.

JJ12 said:
@Decomposing In Paris

Good post.

We do a terrible job making lazy player comparisons. If he comes in give him a chance before building him up to be something he isn't or knocking him before having a clue how he fits in.

It also doesn't mean we won't be signing a RW that could make more immediate impact. It's a long summer.

We as a fan base need to find some patience.
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Agreed, and comparisons can be tempting, but ultimately futile. Agreed on the RW as well.
 
Happy with this if true, if he's young and hungry then he fits the profile we should be going for.

Don't give a rats ass about the negative comments to this potential transfer. This is probably the same bunch who said Mane and Moura are not good enough for us, clueless.

We need to get real, the big names etc probably won't want to come here now because we're crap.
 
Sassy Colin said:
You mentioned a load of squad players/misses/sold for not much after not realising early promise, proving that taking punts on youth has rarely, if ever, worked out. One of the best ones on your list is Smalling, but everyone (alright not everyone, I still like him) seems to hate him now.
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I didn't ever intend for that to be about those types of signings being successes or not. We're hearing about Ole revamping our squad in much the way Fergie did. So in that sense I'm saying this signing makes sense and falls within the category of typical of Fergie and his gambles.

If we instead talk about effective then hell no. We're in agreement there. And that's been one of my biggest , maybe only, criticisms of Sir Alex. He got to a stage of catering heavily to the Glazers tight wallet looking for value, talking of his disdain for agents etc. If instead of taking punts on players like from that list we'd spent more on serious talent we might well be looking at Aguero, David Silva and Hazard aging in our squad instead of a list of duds long since departed.

Josep Dowling said:
You have no idea how long I followed United to make such a comment.
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I can see how my phrasing was unnecessarily presumptive and even offensive. I'm sorry!

I appreciate the clarification about your questioning such a signing. We're thinking about it from different angles. For me, it goes back to the gambles I've seen us take before especially after we started looking for supposed 'value'. I'm ok with it knowing we don't have a great success rate there, partly because it makes a find like Chicha ever more exciting. But only if we also sign players of higher caliber at present ie Sancho. It has to be both. Whereas in the past it's been just one.
 
golden_blunder said:
If we’re buying him now it’s because of his low price, high potential.
Can’t believe the amount of moaning in this thread! Jesus you lot are unreal. Spoilt.
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He costs about the same as Pogba's left elbow, but still requires pages of debate
 
Ban said:
He's not 29 so that's a plus.

-not United quality
-not PL proven
-we don't need a LW
-will stop Chong and Gomes
-we need established players
-we need leaders
-has just space
-not enough high xG
-too few goals and assists

Have I missed something?
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He’s British so must be useless
 
Acole9 said:
Happy with this if true, if he's young and hungry then he fits the profile we should be going for.

Don't give a rats ass about the negative comments to this potential transfer. This is probably the same bunch who said Mane and Moura are not good enough for us, clueless.

We need to get real, the big names etc probably won't want to come here now because we're crap.
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I remember all the Mane and Moura stuff. Firminho too when we were linked with him.

I will be happy if we sign him but I also hope he is one of five or six coming in. Still hope we can lure some top draw players also especially if we lose Pogba.
 
Infestissumam said:
I believe Welsh players are automatically considered homegrown, so yes. Spent all his youth time at Hull and Swansea, so shouldn't be an issue.
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711 said:
Yeah, English or Welsh, presumably because the likes of Cardiff and Swansea play in the English leagues. Not Scottish or Irish though.
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No English/Welsh player is 'automatically considered homegrown'. In fact nationality in isolation is irrelevant. English/Welsh players are in 99% of cases considered homegrown because they spend at least 36 months between age 15-21 at English/Welsh clubs. If they don't they won't be considered homegrown. Take for example Sancho, if he hasn't spent 36 months at English clubs by age 21 he won't be considered homegrown in England (just using him as an example, I haven't done the calculations so he may already be considered homegrown).

Ironically Solskjær had trouble with the homegrown quota last summer. He bought back Magnus Eikrem (born and raised in Molde) but in the homegrown world he's considered English (because he spent his years between 15-21 at United) so he had to be registered as a 'foreigner' for Molde. They then had to sell a real foreigner.
 
Red Dreams said:
If we are going for players like this, I'm very encouraged.
its clear Ole wants to build a young and hungry team that will want to work hard.
perhaps not the coming season but we will compete in the following one.
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He needs at least 6 imo. I doubt if he’ll get them in one summer. Plus we’ll integrate one or two youth players
 
Ban said:
He's not 29 so that's a plus.

-not United quality
-not PL proven
-we don't need a LW
-will stop Chong and Gomes
-we need established players
-we need leaders
-has just space
-not enough high xG
-too few goals and assists

Have I missed something?
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White Rashford pace merchant
 
Inigo Montoya said:
He needs at least 6 imo. I doubt if he’ll get them in one summer. Plus we’ll integrate one or two youth players
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Ole clearly has an idea how he wants to play.
If we get players who have the necessary abilities and are given the necessary training, we will not be far behind anyone.
I don't see any Bests or Maradonas in city or Liverpool.
Its simply playing as a solid team.
 
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