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shamans

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Sure - so we've beaten Pak, SA who are weak. By extension of that logic, teams clustered around there - West Indies(3 points in 6 games), Sri Lanka(6 points in 6 games), Bangladesh(7 in 7) are also weak. Which makes us better than those 5 + Afghanistan which puts us in the best 4 teams... so by your own logic, we belong in the top 4..

Leaving alone the fact we convincingly beat Australia..
Jeez, you need to calm down. India is leading the table they obviously belong in the top4. Never said otherwise.
 

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I just don't see it happening.

They look a beaten team to me which is absurd when you think it was only a week ago they hammered Afghanistan and looked certain to make the semis.

But that is England for you, whenever there is any pressure they cannot handle it.

I'm not even sure where we go after this, the last 4 years have been brilliant. Everything seemed to be building for this World Cup and we seemed ready and yet look at the state of us. If we can't win this one, and we don't look like we'll even make the knockout rounds, then we're never winning it.

Does Morgan go as captain?
I quite like Morgan, I think he deserves a chance to continue after this humbling experience, whatever we do in this tournament from here. Give him a chance to learn from it; give him a chance to work with Archer and Wood on a better strategy than bowling short on a fairly moist Lords wicket this morning with the ball doing a bit and let him work with the batsmen on how to gauge their approach to a given innings without trying to get over a run a ball seemingly at all times.

There are technical changes to made here and there but I'd like to see us back this current crop to get over the mental block they seem to have hit, after all they're by no means the first English team to do that.
 

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Tomorrow will show us if Pakistan are rejuvenated or just played the Worst South African team in WC I've seen.

Should be a really good game.
 

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The only current Pakistan player that would get into that 92 side is Amir.

There's no comparison at all, the required quality simply isn't there.

The less said about Sarfraz's captaincy compared to Immo the better too.
 

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What's Lanka fixture list? All this talk about Bangladesh and Pakistan and they might sneak in.
WI, SA and India. Two winnable games and if India has already qualified then we might just take it easy for our last game...
 

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WI, SA and India. Two winnable games and if India has already qualified then we might just take it easy for our last game...
That's on the last day , imagine if India have a chance to rest their players and make sure they get Sri Lanka in the semis . They will even give Rishabh a chance
 

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Typical Australia. Peaking at the exact right time. Pakistan should really fancy this now. It's all in their hands, beat NZ and trust me they can go all the way. Eng should be gutted if they miss out on Top 4, horrific for them and no Ashes glory can hide that.
Bangladesh have a better chance than Pakistan.
 

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I quite like Morgan, I think he deserves a chance to continue after this humbling experience, whatever we do in this tournament from here. Give him a chance to learn from it; give him a chance to work with Archer and Wood on a better strategy than bowling short on a fairly moist Lords wicket this morning with the ball doing a bit and let him work with the batsmen on how to gauge their approach to a given innings without trying to get over a run a ball seemingly at all times.

There are technical changes to made here and there but I'd like to see us back this current crop to get over the mental block they seem to have hit, after all they're by no means the first English team to do that.
I like Morgan as well but failing to get England to the semis in a home World Cup is shocking.

It wasn't his fault but he was captain in the disastrous 2015 World Cup. After that he's shaped the team to play how he wants us to and it looks like another failure when it really matters. In many ways an even bigger failure than 2015.

I think the Roy injury, the Hales drug issue and Rashid and Moeen both being terrible have killed us in the World Cup.
 

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That's on the last day , imagine if India have a chance to rest their players and make sure they get Sri Lanka in the semis . They will even give Rishabh a chance
Ironically SL would probably prefer Shankar to play rather than Pant.
 

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@hasanejaz88 @Samid : Do you lot now see why Wahab Riaz was selected for this world cup? I saw replays of the game that day. Could you imagine trundler Junaid Khan bowling those death over deliveries :lol:
He's good for 1-2 death overs, other than that a total liability. Might be better than Junaid but that doesn't really say much.
 

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@hasanejaz88 @Samid : Do you lot now see why Wahab Riaz was selected for this world cup? I saw replays of the game that day. Could you imagine trundler Junaid Khan bowling those death over deliveries :lol:
This World Cup is exposing those who think ODI cricket can be sussed out based on just stats and rankings based on ODI series’.

The World Cup is super intense and you need players with character - it is the ultimate test of bottle in cricket IMO.

That is why England and Saffers have never won the thing. Biggest chokers in Cricket despite cleaning up series wins.

Also just need to look at someone like Amir - on paper you would always think he’s one of the most talented bowlers in the world but outside of tournaments he looks like he couldn’t give a feck and in World Cup he suddenly looks unplayable again.
 

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I like Morgan as well but failing to get England to the semis in a home World Cup is shocking.

It wasn't his fault but he was captain in the disastrous 2015 World Cup. After that he's shaped the team to play how he wants us to and it looks like another failure when it really matters. In many ways an even bigger failure than 2015.

I think the Roy injury, the Hales drug issue and Rashid and Moeen both being terrible have killed us in the World Cup.
There's a lot of reasons tbh , they have not played well under pressure at all and this schedule has put even more pressure on them
 

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Unless Roy aggravates something in the next 3 days he will definitely play against India . If he is even 60% he will play imo
 

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An absolute necessity for the next England game is we have to drop James Vince.

I'd drop Moeen too.
You don't win the toss and but opposition into batting first against a batting side like Australia. Huge tactical blunder by England.

Chasing in world cup matches is not an easy task.
 

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Australia's middle order is still far too erratic, for me to have any confidence.

India are still favorites for me imo
I think their batting collective is still a bit better than ours, their key batsmen are all getting into great form, and Maxwell is nailed on to come good in a big match :mad:
 

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WI, SA and India. Two winnable games and if India has already qualified then we might just take it easy for our last game...
Hmm it could happen actually. Need Fatty to be at his best though.
 

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You don't win the toss and but opposition into batting first against a batting side like Australia. Huge tactical blunder by England.

Chasing in world cup matches is not an easy task.
It's another example of Morgan and England not learning from their mistakes.

You can't always go hell for leather from ball one. If you're chasing under 300 it gives you time to assess the pitch and the opposition bowlers for a bit. You don't have to be trying to smash a boundary from ball one. But that's what we keep trying to do and as a result of the 4 times we've chased so far we've lost 3.
 

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Also just need to look at someone like Amir - on paper you would always think he’s one of the most talented bowlers in the world but outside of tournaments he looks like he couldn’t give a feck and in World Cup he suddenly looks unplayable again.
He has previously hinted that he's a bit fed up of playing so much cricket. Needs to quit playing 'home' games and only focus on Aus/NZ/SA/Eng tours and ICC tournaments.
 

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I like Morgan as well but failing to get England to the semis in a home World Cup is shocking.

It wasn't his fault but he was captain in the disastrous 2015 World Cup. After that he's shaped the team to play how he wants us to and it looks like another failure when it really matters. In many ways an even bigger failure than 2015.

I think the Roy injury, the Hales drug issue and Rashid and Moeen both being terrible have killed us in the World Cup.
Yeah the powers that be need to look into who they'd have instead. Morgan's by no means unsackable but I wouldn't see an automatic need to replace him even if we do go on to another poor tournament under him.
 

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You don't win the toss and but opposition into batting first against a batting side like Australia. Huge tactical blunder by England.

Chasing in world cup matches is not an easy task.
Don't agree. English bowling is just not good enough to do damage against a strong top order. Given Oz dismantled English top order bowling second, they would have been even more dangerous bowling first. Archer is a good limited overs bowler but he is not someone who is going to swing the ball aka Anderson.
 

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I think you're getting over defensive for no reason. Cricket is a game that involves a lot of luck. If India win their games its not like they don't deserve it but luck always plays a role. If India did lose to Afghanistan it would also be because they got unlucky and not just because "they suck" because teams like Afghanistan can fluke victories sometimes.

Top teams create their luck which India have. I'm just saying anything can happen in this world cup and they're not that far ahead of the pack. I can see England and Bangla beating India but I still maintain India will see off both teams with quite ease.

(btw, Pandya bowling was actually a lucky break for India. Imam was totally surprised at that length and playing for the outswing. Again that's not to say India wouldn't have won otherwise but luck does play a role in cricket)
Yeah, we were really lucky Bhuvi pulled his hamstring so that our 1076th choice number 4 could bowl.
 

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It would have been amazing had Braithwaite finished off NZ and won that game for WI. Now that would have opened up the group stages even more. If NZ win tomorrow I can see them dropping their game against Aus and Eng. But had they lost against WI they would have required to win 2 out of 3 games and it would have been even more open for other teams to sneak into top 4.
 

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He's good for 1-2 death overs, other than that a total liability. Might be better than Junaid but that doesn't really say much.
Well yeah but that was my point. He's no tier 1 bowler but how can anyone take that trundler over him.

EDIT: Total liability is also an exaggeration.