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Well if it was because the chance was 40 yards from goal a hell of a lot to do with those stats.What's someone hitting row z got to do with anything ?
Well if it was because the chance was 40 yards from goal a hell of a lot to do with those stats.What's someone hitting row z got to do with anything ?
He is wasting his talent here. He should be playing at Real or Barca. Such an extraordinary midfielder.
I mean, it's entirely understandable why he holds onto the ball for two reasons.The main reason he gets repeatedly dispossessed is because he takes too many touches. A cleverer footballer would deal with the press you describe by passing the ball with his first touch, then moving into space to receive the ball back with more time to pass.
Pogba fecking constantly dallies on the ball, letting his marker get tight to him, so he can try to out-muscle him or beat him with some skill. Sometimes this works, often it doesn’t. Looks great when it comes off but it’s a pointlessly low percentage approach.
We've created fecking tonnes of chances in our 4 games. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att?se=274I'm going to have to dispute this, I mean we haven't created much in our games, this seems a little far fetched
What chances did our extraordinary superstar create against Southampton?We've created fecking tonnes of chances in our 4 games. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att?se=274
More than Arsenal who have a vastly superior attack to us.
So a shot is now is equal to a chance created? OkWe've created fecking tonnes of chances in our 4 games. https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_scoring_att?se=274
More than Arsenal who have a vastly superior attack to us.
He put Rashford through in the box twice actually, he made a hash of both.What chances did our extraordinary superstar create against Southampton?
Do we have gif’s of these? I don’t recall them but was watching in a pub so don’t watch every minute with round time or toilet time but if they were that great would expect a replay of em.He put Rashford through in the box twice actually, he made a hash of both.
If I'm reading whoscored's stats right, 4.What chances did our extraordinary superstar create against Southampton?
Not always but common sense would dictate that most shots are off the back of it being created surely?So a shot is now is equal to a chance created? Ok
They were on his left foot, with a defender right alongside. He certainly wasn’t put clean through. Technically chances but not very good ones.He put Rashford through in the box twice actually, he made a hash of both.
Whats the difference between a shot and a chance, aren't they the same thing?So a shot is now is equal to a chance created? Ok
How many people say he's absolutely brilliant most weeks?Do people watch football nowadays or just analyse via stats?
I don't see how anybody with eyes can watch Pogba and think he's absolutely brilliant most weeks.
It's what makes me not care about him leaving...if the rhetoric from his acolytes was the agreement that he's been poor but it's 'insert list of excuses' then I could possibly get on board but when they are claiming THIS is great, then my own eyes tell me he's nowhere near as valuable as some people think.
Add the partly self-fuelled circus around him and I can't wait to see the back of him.
99% of statistics only tell 49% of the story someone once said.If I'm reading whoscored's stats right, 4.
NoWhats the difference between a shot and a chance, aren't they the same thing?
So if I shoot from 25 yards, from a 3 yard pass thats a chance created? No, there is a stat called chance created and it is not equal to the number of shots. Also many chances do not even lead to a shotWhats the difference between a shot and a chance, aren't they the same thing?
when dealing with statistics, better not to make assumptions especially when relying on "common sense"Not always but common sense would dictate that most shots are off the back of it being created surely?
Agreed.He is wasting his talent here. He should be playing at Real or Barca. Such an extraordinary midfielder.
You asked, I told.99% of statistics only tell 49% of the story someone once said.
Really such a pedantic and pissy argument to put forth.when dealing with statistics, better not to make assumptions especially when relying on "common sense"
It could also be that he doesn't trust his partners. Not really a surprise when you think his partners are Matic and McT.The main reason he gets repeatedly dispossessed is because he takes too many touches. A cleverer footballer would deal with the press you describe by passing the ball with his first touch, then moving into space to receive the ball back with more time to pass.
Pogba fecking constantly dallies on the ball, letting his marker get tight to him, so he can try to out-muscle him or beat him with some skill. Sometimes this works, often it doesn’t. Looks great when it comes off but it’s a pointlessly low percentage approach.
Not really, it is just the truth that shots do not equal chances, and there is an actual chances created stat so you should use that instead. Especially since all chances do not lead to shots.You asked, I told.
Really such a pedantic and pissy argument to put forth.
We've created plenty of chances in our 4 games, I've no problem in saying they aren't clear cut chances many of them but still chances.
Doesn’t he have some responsibility as one of the most expensive players in the world to help his other midfielders improve.It could also be that he doesn't trust his partners. Not really a surprise when you think his partners are Matic and McT.
Give him a KDB / peak Busquets or a proper coach who can instill some playing style to the team. We lost our identity long back and what we see now is a bunch of talented players trying their luck.
Hows he supposed to help ? You cant play on their behalf . He signed up for a project. Jose, Zlatan, Mikhi, him . After 4 years, we have regressed now.Doesn’t he have some responsibility as one of the most expensive players in the world to help his other midfielders improve.
I said it above, it was simply a rough gauge.Not really, it is just the truth that shots do not equal chances, and there is an actual chances created stat so you should use that instead. Especially since all chances do not lead to shots.
Senior players are supposed to help the younger players either by example, leadership or motivation.Hows he supposed to help ? You cant play on their behalf . He signed up for a project. Jose, Zlatan, Mikhi, him . After 4 years, we have regressed now.
He has every right to be worried about the direction of the club and he want to move on. Why can't we appreciate that fact ?
I think it's just recently Pogba became a senior player. Although he's always been the star player, if you think about it he's always had elders with him on the field who failed (with the exception of Zlatan).Senior players are supposed to help the younger players either by example, leadership or motivation.
Don’t see much of that from Pogba.
Eric, Robson, Keane all knew how to do it one way or the other.
Yeah it would be the best thing for him really. They'd actually bench him when he's shite.He is wasting his talent here. He should be playing at Real or Barca. Such an extraordinary midfielder.
- he’ll want to move from them in a few years time as well though they won’t put up such a struggle as Ed and the marketing department.Yeah it would be the best thing for him really. They'd actually bench him when he's shite.
Some of the things in this thread are fantastic.Yeah it would be the best thing for him really. They'd actually bench him when he's shite.
Or play Messi in a inferior team and ask him to do everything. If he fails, he is shit, careless and isn't upto it.Some of the things in this thread are fantastic.
Basically, stick him him in an easier league in the best team surrounded by world class players with the best manager with no defensive responsibilities and just let him play. Then we'll see the best of him.
What a player.
I sure messi would have a better impact in an inferior team that pogba has in our team.Or play Messi in a inferior team and ask him to do everything. If he fails, he is shit, careless and isn't upto it.
Such a weird argument.
I think Pauls lack of ability to hold onto the ball is the source of a lot of his criticism. He must have lost the ball foolishly about three or four times in the first half i think it was the last game.Or play Messi in a inferior team and ask him to do everything. If he fails, he is shit, careless and isn't upto it.
Such a weird argument.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11802293/pogba-has-risk-factor-man-utd-need"There's not too many players of Paul's quality," Irwin said. "He's got plenty of players in front of him who have got great pace and I think he's got the understanding of being able to pick a great pass.
"We need consistency out of him sometimes but going forward now and particularly where we've started dominating games he's going to be a big, big player for us.
"I think every team needs a risk taker but I look at him and think he's the one that can unlock doors.
"We've created enough chances to win games so he's going to be vitally important for us."
Well he did cost £100,000,000 so he fecking should beIrwin is class, I wish more ex-players said things like this and be supportive of the players instead of using their 30 mins on TV playing for the cameras and talking shit about the current players.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11802293/pogba-has-risk-factor-man-utd-need
Oh come on, we both know it's about the logic and not players. Its holds good for any XYZ player. Better players needs better partners and better setups. Messi would make a better impact in our team isn't enough for an argument. His performances will take a hit and will lose balls when trying to make things happen. That's the core point.I sure messi would have a better impact in an inferior team that pogba has in our team.
Hasn’t scored since February in open play so comparing him to messi is even weirder.
Because noone else would take that responsibility. Everyone looks for him to take risks and create chances. So you take risks, you lose the ball. He cant do everything.I think Pauls lack of ability to hold onto the ball is the source of a lot of his criticism. He must have lost the ball foolishly about three or four times in the first half i think it was the last game.
Then he tries to take on people when it is not on.
Depends on the player, some relish being be the main man. Maradonna had no right winning the World Cup with his team but he dragged them through. Even in the final when he was man marked by half the opposition he knew it was going to benefit the team so got on with it even though he would have loved to have scored the winner. Robson carried united on his back at times, it was a common feeling if he weren’t playing united weren’t winning.Oh come on, we both know it's about the logic and not players. Its holds good for any XYZ player. Better players needs better partners and better setups. Messi would make a better impact in our team isn't enough for an argument. His performances will take a hit and will lose balls when trying to make things happen. That's the core point.
Nonsense, Roy keane never gave the ball away when playing for Ireland and he had worse players playing around him, pogba could always try and run with it when he receives it if there is no one available to pass to, instead he holds onto it, waits for someone to challenge him and all too often loses it. I dont believe that he had no passing options against the 4 teams we have played so far, that argument would carry weight if we were playing against pool or city perhaps but not fecking palace and SouthamptonI mean, it's entirely understandable why he holds onto the ball for two reasons.
The first being he knows no one else will do anything with it, and, 9 times out of 10, they're only going to pass back to him anyway. The second being our horrible off the ball movement. If we were a more fluid team with more passing options (Lingard, McTominay, Mata, Pereira, etc are all invisible in possession), I'm sure he'd release the ball quicker.
Also, as @JPRouve has said in the past, because he's our only player who does anything, his teammates constantly look to give him the ball; even when he's in a bad position to receive it.
Others need to step up, and, in them doing so, I'm sure he'll take a step back in terms of ball-hogging like he happily did/does for Juve and France.
Like Argentina ? You can rightly criticize Pogba for his shortcomings but to be sure of something impossible like that is weird to me.I sure messi would have a better impact in an inferior team that pogba has in our team.
Hasn’t scored since February in open play so comparing him to messi is even weirder.