It was published about a week ago in German media, that in one closer watched group about 2/3 of the patients with mild symptoms experienced a loss of sense of smell and taste a few days after the first symptoms show up. I've never read anything about it being permanent, but it might actually be helpful to differentiate between people having a cold and the ones actually infected with the coronavirus.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Take this discussion to another thread, so this one doesn't get derailed by off topics.
It is important that the balance between Omega 3 and Omega 6 in our diet be maintained at a maximum ratio of 1:1.
Delta 5 enzyme should only be converting 20:4 into 20:5. The omega 6 pathway should end at 20:3.
An overload of Omega 6 leads to Delta 5 enzyme converting 20:3 to 20:4 in the Omega 6 pathway and no EPA and DPA is being formed in the Omega 3 pathway.
All processed foods are pumped full of Omega 6 vegetable oils. The end result is a population of unhealthy and stupid people.
If everyone was to change their diet and eat nothing but vegetables (green vegetables in particular) and fish (fish devoid of Omega 6 vegetable oils only) then the population would be far more healthy and far more intelligent.
So why is that not the case?
On medic facebook groups, warning about quite a few muggings in London for NHS staff's ID badges
Also interesting about a whole "truck-load" of PPE equipment on its way to doctors (presumably most in secondary care but maybe primary care too)
But incidentally there has been some reports out of Italy in talking to intensivists there that non-invasive techniques like CPAP (instead of ventilators) might also improve outcomes in patients but due to aersol generation would need a more higher form of PPE but a private manufacturer has been contacted to release CPAP-like machine specifically for the NHS (currently a prototype has been made)
A lot of us are frightened due to ENT colleagues and a nurse now in intensive care who were looking after COVID 19 patients
We're encouraging each other to fill out nomination forms with regards to who gets part of our pension and a lump sum in case we die
Also interesting about a whole "truck-load" of PPE equipment on its way to doctors (presumably most in secondary care but maybe primary care too)
But incidentally there has been some reports out of Italy in talking to intensivists there that non-invasive techniques like CPAP (instead of ventilators) might also improve outcomes in patients but due to aersol generation would need a more higher form of PPE but a private manufacturer has been contacted to release CPAP-like machine specifically for the NHS (currently a prototype has been made)
A lot of us are frightened due to ENT colleagues and a nurse now in intensive care who were looking after COVID 19 patients
We're encouraging each other to fill out nomination forms with regards to who gets part of our pension and a lump sum in case we die
As Trump put it, he's a businessman and doesn't like paying thousands of people to sit around doing nothing. He thinks you can just hire back the best whenever you need them..
Is there any hope the UK's numbers won't escalate to be as bad as Italy and Spain?
There's always hope chief. I'd keep an eye on today's figures. I'm expecting a big jump but if there's a more modest increase as there was yesterday then perhaps you might be able to start considering that there may be a slight possibility of hope.
Could Germany be used as a more positive example, maybe? I don't recall their lockdown measures being particularly stringent until now?
Honestly have no way of knowing but no encouraging because we haven't had people carry out the type of social distancing/isolation needed
The one hope is how quickly we manage logistics of getting them intubated, hopefully not overwhelmed at once with the peak with regards to demand for ITU services but this thing is spreading in clusters (e.g. in London, west midlands) and thats not a good sign.
What hopefully may make a difference is the effort in primary care to treat aggressively with primary prevention, to get people on meds that prevent cardiac remodelling, statins for cholesterol, that kind of thing and the campaign to reduce smoking rates, may make a dent in mortality rate
Been said a number of times, but it's admirable what you do, and very sad to hear that the harsh realities of worse case scenario are in the collective mind of frontline personnel.
It shouldn't be this way. The handling of this thing, especially in terms of PPE and personal supply to you guys (food, essentials etc.) has been shambolic.
I haven't read anything about that, but it doesn't strike me as too worrying per se. My sense of taste and smell is always fecked when I'm sick. By the way, first time the number of new infections in a day have decreased over here. Too early to draw any conclusions but let's keep our fingers crossed it's the measures taking effect. It seems early for that but I'll take any sort of good news right now.
Seems a bit scaremongery. Nobody has reported permanent loss and those sypmtoms are pretty standard for flu like viruses. Happened to me a couple of years back and lasted for a good week or so after I was over the worst of it. I remember it well because I wasted a damn good IPA.
I believe this. My guess is that there is an order of priority:
- ensure that the number of new cases are low enough for the health services to recover from this mess
- slowly ease up restrictions to small groups, and wait (a few weeks) to confirm the health services can still cope
- rinse and repeat
Just a guess on how things make sense to me. Have no idea if someone is actually "planning" this
You also have to factor in the incubation period for the virus too. It's a logistical nightmare.
Feel better, Steve. x
Working in a school. Most students havent shown up however we have some in. Of all the the children who are in today not one of their parents/carers are key workers. So basically they're using us as a glorified day care centre because they don't want their kids at home all day.
Surely aggressive testing is the key to returning to any kind of normality?
Healthcare workers who've already tested positive / have had it - running home visit tests - those who test positive / have it had it can return to work outside the home etc.
Nice parents. Good luck.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/c...countries-poor-west-covid-19-developing-world
Good article here. You have to wonder if this will devastate African countries far more than anything we've seen in Europe, even italy.
Good article here. You have to wonder if this will devastate African countries far more than anything we've seen in Europe, even italy.
Matt Hancock doesn't do a lot right but he's at least out there essentially calling people selfish pricks who are spreading the virus. Should have been done weeks ago though.
I'm sure countries will have a plan when the time comes but in fairness it's probably pointless to map it all out extensively now when they don't really know yet how things will look at that point. Once they've seen the peak play out a bit they can model an exit strategy, you'd imagine.
The schools should be all closed.
I really fear for the UK, it’s going to be a terrible couple of months ahead.
Of course.
And how are key workers meant to work then?
well your school shouldn't be teaching non key worker kids, if that's what it's designed for.
I assume they're just dropping them off so you're stuck with them until they return? Hopefully they give schools the remit to fine these people akin to absence so you can at least threaten it.
I can foresee teachers having to deal with aggressive parents where their company is saying they're key workers and schools seeing through the bullshit.
Surely there must be some sort requirements of proof of the fact the parents are key workers?
Key workers should have letters. My partner got one through the post last week. She's lucky that she can work from home though.
That is exactly how Nazi Germany started
He does nothing right.
He's having a go at people now for following the ambiguous casual advice the government has been propagating.
Q. Why have you idiots been going on the tube, going to the pub and going to restaurants and coffee shops?
A. Because we have to get to work because our corporation has told us we're not allowed to work from home yet and because the pubs, restaurants and coffee shops were still open so surely it's OK to use them if we decide we are safe?
Why has your SLT allowed them to enter the building? The government guidance in relation to key workers was a debacle; schools had less than two days to carry out a two week job, ultimately.
Calls were taken on Thursday and Friday and our Partnership has been very strict on who gets a place and who doesn’t. It’s been an awful (and humbling) process. I’m not in the buildings today; we’re on a fortnightly rota. For this to work, though, schools like yours need to be putting the foot down and ensuring that pupils at school are there because they must be there.
In terms of death toll, it's impossible but I know for sure the contamination rate will be far higher than anything in the world.
Why were those kids allowed in if parents not key workers?
https://www.asthma.org.uk/advice/triggers/coronavirus-covid-19/
Sorry if posted already but advice from asthma UK. I'm on symbicort 400/12 and have today started 12 weeks isolation
Sorry if posted already but advice from asthma UK. I'm on symbicort 400/12 and have today started 12 weeks isolation
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Not much we can do when they're just outside the school when we open.
The headteacher is seeking advice but he's implying we have a duty to care for any child that shows up.
There should be ZERO unattributed comments at this point.
Everything should be on record to create a bona fide information trail, so people can be held accountable once this is all done.
Keunssberg and peston are the worst for it, but the entire lobby journalist pool are failing to understand that this is not just a story anymore, this is a historic event.
He may have a duty of care to take them into the school, but he should then be calling the parents and telling them to come and pick them up.
Hi @Robbo's Shoulder - So, as a relatively mild asthma sufferer who just uses Ventolin, I needn't bunker down yet? Sorry, I know you're probably not able to answer properly but it's hard getting definitive answers.
I don;t know whether it's subliminal stress / anxiety from the daily bombardment of bad news but my chest has been rubbish all week with asthma symptoms.
Because all eyes were on brexit rather than trying to also improve services