Aren’t there going to be high numbers in the UK for a few more weeks as the lag from care homes etc catches up?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Dont say that. That was my hope in a hanging snor
The first official US death from COVID19 has been moved back 3 weeks to Feb. 6. Maybe those anecdotes of people thinking they might’ve had early have some merit? Though a lot that will just be paranoia and cognitive bias I suppose.
CNN link
CNN link
How can anyone take UK figures seriously when they exclude deaths outside of hospitals?
Even then, a lifting of lockdowns will result in the virus spreading again.
It took 1 person to infect the world, what do you think will happen with thousands carrying the infection in the UK?-
Even then, a lifting of lockdowns will result in the virus spreading again.
It took 1 person to infect the world, what do you think will happen with thousands carrying the infection in the UK?-
Will lockdown continue into June at this rate?
I got the BCG in school - was this not standard for most people for many years? Perhaps this was just in NI? I honestly don't know.
In Seattle they've been retrospectively testing a load of blood samples for covid that were collected from people with viral illnesses in December/Jamuary, with absolutely nothing turning up. Which makes sense. Covid has a really different clinical picture to flu, so an ongoing outbreak for a couple of months before the first official cases couldn't have gone under the radar.
Government in power surely? SNP like having their NHS intact.
I was thinking more like February, possible cases before official ones were commonly reported in the area.
ignoring the actual total, it at least shows that we seem to be at peak and now heading back downwards. it's a good sign. but yes, it's only the beginning still. long way to go over the next 12-24 months.
France trialling nicotine patches for healthcare staff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
Swap tobacco for cannabis and I would agree. (THC/CBD > Nicotine)
Show me one stoner who have contracted Covid-19... Just one.
If that's what it takes, so be it.
Problem with the daily date of death figures is while we're passed the peak, in the next week(s) they'll be adding more to today, this week and last week and filling in those gaps more, those bars or plots on the graphs will rise. Italy has gone sideways for 17 days at the 400-600 range. We might have a 500-700+ range for the next few weeks and overtake Italy's total. A lot of recent positive tested cases from those ~5.5k a day are yet to unfold.
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Imagine if it was found that smoking fags or doobies made you immune.
I guess that’s possible. Also Seattle isn’t representative of the whole of the US! I’d need to dig out the paper to check.
Just talking to friends in hospitals, though, they really don’t buy the idea it’s been around any longer than the official estimate. Young people ending up intensive care from pneumonia - without testing postive for any of the usual respiratory pathogens - is an incredibly unusual thing to happen but is a regular occurrence since the first official cases were reported.
Tbf, there are multiple teams of scientists who think 12-18 months is much more realistic than 6, and even for that, they urge caution. There is also the fact that the vaccines take 10-15 years to be developed.
Oxford’s team is also not the leading team on this. Moderna from Boston is the leader, and they produced a vaccine two months ago (I am not sure that Oxford’s super optimistic team has even developed the vaccine yet), and administered it on humans a month ago or so. The 12-18 months or so delay is more about doing intensive (though somehow rushed) testing, rather than developing the vaccine. There are already multiple vaccines that seem to be working fine.
What Oxford’s team is proposing looks to me to essentially skip the testing. Which can be dangerous for mass vaccinations and it will likely not get the green permit. And to be fair, I think that they have been advocating to start administering it in doctors and medical staff on fall, not on general population.
I’m sure there are plenty. There’s actually some real evidence that nicotine might be protective. Zero evidence that THC/CBD protects.
It would be nightmare if hard liquor was the antidote.
Nicotine is basically a poison so I wouldn't be overly surprised if this is true.
I would have a few friends that would be the most immune people in Ireland if that was the case.
You sure based on what? Show me the numbers.
How many cannabis daily smokers are sick?
Based on Italy (heavy nicotine consumers), I can safely deduce that nicotine does nothing to save you.
It was in the UK until recently I believe. I never had it because the skin test thing said I was naturally immune. Hope it was right!
Something weird happened with the English mortality data. There used to be a single case that was dated to before 1st March, but that's now been removed. Is it possible they'd be updating death certs from February this late on?
Wales and Scotland both have some devolved powers to manage the NHS.
I'd be shocked if it was. No chance, in my opinion. Not the way it is now, but with some measures and some loosened, quite possibly.
I’m sure based on the same data that has France giving nicotine patches to HCWs. Did you even read the link that @balaks posted?
I have no idea how many daily cannabis smokers are sick. I haven’t seen any data. Please do share whatever you’ve seen.
I used to be a heavy weed smoker man, and I have never met one in my life who had healthy lungs. Nicotine is shit, we all know that, but inhaling exhaust-pipe levels of ANY kind of smoke into your fecking lungs is NOT healthy despite what the most ardent of stoners will bleat on about. It's certainly not as bad as smoking cigs, but you know what's better again for your lungs and health? Not smoking at all. At a push, I would entertain the idea that smokers and weed smokers might not be as susceptible due to having damaged lungs that the virus struggles to get a grip on. If that's considered protection, then yeah maybe they are protected.
100% agree. And I am also an ex smoker (weed and fags). The smoking protection thing is interesting because there is evidence that smokers are getting much less sick than you would expect, based on their inevitably shitty lungs.
The theory is that nicotine causes you to express less of the ACE receptors in your airways that SARS-CoV2 binds to. It’s all very theoretical though.
Pretty sure most stoners simply say that pot is safer than tobacco, but it obviously doesn't improve your health or somnething, unless they were using it for pain relief or some other medical purpose. Even vaping isn't that great for your lungs, it' s just a bit easier on them than combustion.
If I was particularly blitzed I could come up with a hypothesis that there’s a unicorn living in my garden shed but it takes real data to make that hypothesis anything other than a stoner fantasy.
You’d be surprised. There’s a lot of stoners out there who literally think smoking weed cures cancer. And most other ailments you can think of. Looks like we might have one of them in this thread!
I thought it was the tar and chemicals from cigarettes and smoking that protected the lungs or some shit from the virus rather than nicotine.
Been so bored that I'm hoping the government might just legalise stuff anyway.
Been so bored that I'm hoping the government might just legalise stuff anyway.
I have noticed that you say 'man' a lot. Like, wow maaaan.
Part of the reason I never gotr into weed in California was because I quit smoking in 1998 and didn't want to start inhaling smoke of any kind again.
There is some evidence to suggest smokers are less likely to be hospitalised than non smokers.
The evidence in Italy suggests that if a smoker does get hospitalised, they're in trouble. The health authorities have said it more doubles the risk of requiring intensive care.
Maybe the smoking is damaging but the nicotene is protective.
Same here, cigs also.
I'm glad we're on the same page here - as a former stoner, one of things that really dries me out is 'people that love weed too much'. You know the types - the ones that can't have any kind of social conversation without bringing up how great weed is and how booze is shit, etc etc. The most boring people on the planet and some of them are downright deluded, as well.
The bolded is what I suspected but in much more technically sound terminology, haha.
Funny enough, when I was smoker I would find that sometimes my family would come down with coughs/colds and I'd be the only one who was relatively unaffected by it. I used to jokingly say it was because my lungs were probably used to functioning below standard on a daily basis, haha.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because smokers are more likely to die before they enter the corona danger zone
Wanna know why? Quick anecdote.
I'm from Wales, in the valleys, we say 'butt' at the end of every sentence, with the meaning being 'mate' or 'friend'.
I went to university in England and after a week or so, realised I had to replace 'butt' because it was causing issues whereby people thought my sentence was going to continue. I didn't want to adopt 'mate' because I didn't like the term at all and 18yr old me associated it with southern English (stupid viewpoint I know, now). So I went for man as my sort of habitual ending to a sentence.
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Yep this came a year too late for me if it proves to be the case.