Classical Mechanic
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Aren’t there going to be high numbers in the UK for a few more weeks as the lag from care homes etc catches up?
Dont say that. That was my hope in a hanging snorHeh. Up until a decade or so ago, it was part of the common child vaccine program in Norway. Nearly everyone got it at around 14. Probably wore off by now, though.
In Seattle they've been retrospectively testing a load of blood samples for covid that were collected from people with viral illnesses in December/Jamuary, with absolutely nothing turning up. Which makes sense. Covid has a really different clinical picture to flu, so an ongoing outbreak for a couple of months before the first official cases couldn't have gone under the radar.The first official US death from COVID19 has been moved back 3 weeks to Feb. 6. Maybe those anecdotes of people thinking they might’ve had early have some merit? Though a lot that will just be paranoia and cognitive bias I suppose.
CNN link
Government in power surely? SNP like having their NHS intact.why is the system different in scotland/wales v england?
I was thinking more like February, possible cases before official ones were commonly reported in the area.In Seattle they've been retrospectively testing a load of blood samples for covid that were collected from people with viral illnesses in December/Jamuary, with absolutely nothing turning up. Which makes sense. Covid has a really different clinical picture to flu, so an ongoing outbreak for a couple of months before the first official cases couldn't have gone under the radar.
ignoring the actual total, it at least shows that we seem to be at peak and now heading back downwards. it's a good sign. but yes, it's only the beginning still. long way to go over the next 12-24 months.How can anyone take UK figures seriously when they exclude deaths outside of hospitals?
Even then, a lifting of lockdowns will result in the virus spreading again.
It took 1 person to infect the world, what do you think will happen with thousands carrying the infection in the UK?-
Swap tobacco for cannabis and I would agree. (THC/CBD > Nicotine)France trialling nicotine patches for healthcare staff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
If that's what it takes, so be it.Will lockdown continue into June at this rate?
Imagine if it was found that smoking fags or doobies made you immune.Swap tobacco for cannabis and I would agree. (THC/CBD > Nicotine)
Show me one stoner who have contracted Covid-19... Just one.
I guess that’s possible. Also Seattle isn’t representative of the whole of the US! I’d need to dig out the paper to check.I was thinking more like February, possible cases before official ones were commonly reported in the area.
Tbf, there are multiple teams of scientists who think 12-18 months is much more realistic than 6, and even for that, they urge caution. There is also the fact that the vaccines take 10-15 years to be developed.I would guess that Oxford people know best about the sort of work they have done and the possible obstacles. All of the others (not directly familiar with the work done) are merely speculating and making educated guesses based on what they think is true regarding the virus.
Once again, I am interested in knowing how can a rando on the internet be certain that there will not be a vaccine ready in 2+ years if there is a team of scientists thinking that it will be in six months? Ok, it genuinely being six months would be too-good-to-be-true news, but how arrogant must you be to write it off outright?
At the same time, we are unsure even regarding basic things, such as the death rate and if one can get reinfected. This is also another reason why opinions difer - no hard data means more room for speculation.
I’m sure there are plenty. There’s actually some real evidence that nicotine might be protective. Zero evidence that THC/CBD protects.Swap tobacco for cannabis and I would agree. (THC/CBD > Nicotine)
Show me one stoner who have contracted Covid-19... Just one.
It would be nightmare if hard liquor was the antidote.Imagine if it was found that smoking fags or doobies made you immune.
Nicotine is basically a poison so I wouldn't be overly surprised if this is true.France trialling nicotine patches for healthcare staff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
I would have a few friends that would be the most immune people in Ireland if that was the case.It would be nightmare if hard liquor was the antidote.
You sure based on what? Show me the numbers.I’m sure there are plenty. There’s actually some real evidence that nicotine might be protective. Zero evidence that THC/CBD protects.
It was in the UK until recently I believe. I never had it because the skin test thing said I was naturally immune. Hope it was right!I got the BCG in school - was this not standard for most people for many years? Perhaps this was just in NI? I honestly don't know.
Wales and Scotland both have some devolved powers to manage the NHS.why is the system different in scotland/wales v england?
Will lockdown continue into June at this rate?
I’m sure based on the same data that has France giving nicotine patches to HCWs. Did you even read the link that @balaks posted?You sure based on what? Show me the numbers.
How many cannabis daily smokers are sick?
Based on Italy (heavy nicotine consumers), I can safely deduce that nicotine does nothing to save you.
I’m sure based on the same data that has France giving nicotine patches to HCWs. Did you even read the link that @balaks posted?
I have no idea how many daily cannabis smokers are sick. I haven’t seen any data. Please do share whatever you’ve seen.
Yes, and they kept saying "hypothesis".I’m sure based on the same data that has France giving nicotine patches to HCWs. Did you even read the link that @balaks posted?
I have no idea how many daily cannabis smokers are sick. I haven’t seen any data. Please do share whatever you’ve seen.
100% agree. And I am also an ex smoker (weed and fags). The smoking protection thing is interesting because there is evidence that smokers are getting much less sick than you would expect, based on their inevitably shitty lungs.I used to be a heavy weed smoker man, and I have never met one in my life who had healthy lungs. Nicotine is shit, we all know that, but inhaling exhaust-pipe levels of ANY kind of smoke into your fecking lungs is NOT healthy despite what the most ardent of stoners will bleat on about. It's certainly not as bad as smoking cigs, but you know what's better again for your lungs and health? Not smoking at all. At a push, I would entertain the idea that smokers and weed smokers might not be as susceptible due to having damaged lungs that the virus struggles to get a grip on. If that's considered protection, then yeah maybe they are protected.
If I was particularly blitzed I could come up with a hypothesis that there’s a unicorn living in my garden shed but it takes real data to make that hypothesis anything other than a stoner fantasy.Yes, and they kept saying "hypothesis".
Mine is also an hypothesis.
You’d be surprised. There’s a lot of stoners out there who literally think smoking weed cures cancer. And most other ailments you can think of. Looks like we might have one of them in this thread!Pretty sure most stoners simply say that pot is safer than tobacco, but it obviously doesn't improve your health or somnething, unless they were using it for pain relief or some other medical purpose. Even vaping isn't that great for your lungs, it' s just a bit easier on them than combustion.
I used to be a heavy weed smoker man, and I have never met one in my life who had healthy lungs. Nicotine is shit, we all know that, but inhaling exhaust-pipe levels of ANY kind of smoke into your fecking lungs is NOT healthy despite what the most ardent of stoners will bleat on about. It's certainly not as bad as smoking cigs, but you know what's better again for your lungs and health? Not smoking at all. At a push, I would entertain the idea that smokers and weed smokers might not be as susceptible due to having damaged lungs that the virus struggles to get a grip on. If that's considered protection, then yeah maybe they are protected.
There is some evidence to suggest smokers are less likely to be hospitalised than non smokers.You sure based on what? Show me the numbers.
How many cannabis daily smokers are sick?
Based on Italy (heavy nicotine consumers), I can safely deduce that nicotine does nothing to save you.
100% agree. And I am also an ex smoker (weed and fags). The smoking protection thing is interesting because there is evidence that smokers are getting much less sick than you would expect, based on their inevitably shitty lungs.
The theory is that nicotine causes you to express less of the ACE receptors in your airways that SARS-CoV2 binds to. It’s all very theoretical though.
You’d be surprised. There’s a lot of stoners out there who literally think smoking weed cures cancer. And most other ailments you can think of. Looks like we might have one of them in this thread!
I wouldn't be surprised if it's because smokers are more likely to die before they enter the corona danger zoneNicotine is basically a poison so I wouldn't be overly surprised if this is true.
I have noticed that you say 'man' a lot. Like, wow maaaan.
Part of the reason I never gotr into weed in California was because I quit smoking in 1998 and didn't want to start inhaling smoke of any kind again.
Yep this came a year too late for me if it proves to be the case.I would have a few friends that would be the most immune people in Ireland if that was the case.