You are not allowed to travel from country to country.Surely letting people travel from country to country doesn't help. All the borders should be shut and no flight should be allowed unless for supplies.
You are not allowed to travel from country to country.Surely letting people travel from country to country doesn't help. All the borders should be shut and no flight should be allowed unless for supplies.
My sister and nephew had a weekend in Rome on 15/16 Feb (10 weeks ago), when things were happening in China but not in European countries. I was a bit concerned at the time that they were making the trip, but not unduly so.Surely letting people travel from country to country doesn't help. All the borders should be shut and no flight should be allowed unless for supplies.
Is the UK sort of still doing a "herd immunity lite" type strategy but without calling it that? I.e. Allowing a steady stream of people to get infected (and a percentage of which to die) whilst keeping it below NHS capacity?I've said this before but it's because it's not a lockdown. It's too relaxed. I still know so many people who dont think it's a big deal.
Wuhan literally bolted people in their houses and it took them 6 weeks to get it under control. Italy has been a step below that and almost 2 months later is just about confident the peak is behind them. The UK will take much longer as long as everybody takes their hour (and the rest) exercise every day and nobody is around to enforce the rules on people who ignore them.
There's no point relying on the information from Wuhan as nothing about any of what China have reported tallies up with what's going on anywhere else...and you can't "bolt people in their homes" as you'll kill 10x more than the virus ever will.I've said this before but it's because it's not a lockdown. It's too relaxed. I still know so many people who dont think it's a big deal.
Wuhan literally bolted people in their houses and it took them 6 weeks to get it under control. Italy has been a step below that and almost 2 months later is just about confident the peak is behind them. The UK will take much longer as long as everybody takes their hour (and the rest) exercise every day and nobody is around to enforce the rules on people who ignore them.
No, it isn’t. It’s getting a little tedious having to read this, actually. There is no written governmental guidance that specifies this anywhere.I still think as I said yesterday that this isnt a decline but a sort of continual plateau based on the specifics of our 'lockdown'.
Why should these numbers disappear to 0? This isnt a lockdown theres still loads of cars on the roads and people are out and about it looks nearly as busy as before.
I dont see how hard it was to say, the rule is to excersise for up to 1 hour a day maximum.
Didn't the lads in Ireland say that there were English traveling over to second homes and bringing caravans over? Georgie Bingham on Talksport was going apoplectic this morning about the supermarket she was using, getting rid of the distancing markers, letting as many people in as wanted to go in all at once and social distancing had gone completely out of the window.You are not allowed to travel from country to country.
It's pretty fair tbh, the general public are being total asshats and not following simple guidelines. Government chose to treat us like adults, now it's time they step up and treat us like the children we are.Pritti doing a lot of blaming the public today. Distraction tactics.
True, but what's worse is people confusing Government guidelines on how we should behave to reduce the spread of disease with Crown Prosecution Service guidelines to the police on what constitutes an actual breach of the law. I'm not sure a single newspaper or tv station appreciates the difference.No, it isn’t. It’s getting a little tedious having to read this, actually. There is no written governmental guidance that specifies this anywhere.
Have you heard this said? It's been briefed in pressers, news channels went with it etc.No, it isn’t. It’s getting a little tedious having to read this, actually. There is no written governmental guidance that specifies this anywhere.
That was me as well!It's pretty fair tbh, the general public are being total asshats and not following simple guidelines. Government chose to treat us like adults, now it's time they step up and treat us like the children we are.
Alot of people on furlough are using this like a massive holiday.
People shopping to get out the house for a bit. Everyone going insane now it's been 5 weeks? All because they couldn't stick to it properly from the start.
Whoever mentioned we are doing herd immunity lite is correct. The public can't follow simple rules so it's our only option till a vaccine is found.
Jumped up, Facebook-warrior dogshit, to be frank.It's pretty fair tbh, the general public are being total asshats and not following simple guidelines. Government chose to treat us like adults, now it's time they step up and treat us like the children we are.
Alot of people on furlough are using this like a massive holiday.
People shopping to get out the house for a bit. Everyone going insane now it's been 5 weeks? All because they couldn't stick to it properly from the start.
Whoever mentioned we are doing herd immunity lite is correct. The public can't follow simple rules so it's our only option till a vaccine is found.
Think it might have something to do with not being here legally? Cant claim furlough if they're not in the system. Also cash in hand jobs a lot of them will work too I'd expect even if here legally. So no paper trail for them to claim anything, they'll need to work to survive, at the same time, if they aren't here legally it really should be they're sent where ever their legal residence is?Another factor, without meaning to sound like a Brexit championer, is that a significant number of the Eastern Europeans here are completely ignoring the lockdown and social distancing advice and just carrying on as normal. It's been so obviously apparent it's actually changed my views quite a bit. Every time I go out running their are groups of them in the park, not even out of the way, literally just standing directly in everyone's path. All of their businesses are still open, including pointless things like car washing. My downstairs neighbour still keeps having his mates and parents over. I've had to have a go at him when him and his mate barged past me in the corridor.
They are a minority locally here in terms of the general population, yet at the moment they are a quite vast majority of the people out and about.
Unfortunately it seems we tend to collect a lot of the thickos that other countries don't have a use for...and we already have enough of our own to deal with frankly. In a situation like this idiots are always going to be the cause of a majority of the problems. A large collection of low skilled and generally quite ignorant people is never a good thing to have in a crisis. Especially when a section of them are not integrated properly so show little respect for the common cause.
Have you heard this said? It's been briefed in pressers, news channels went with it etc.
Do you want the government to give you guidelines on how to wipe your arse too? Just because it's not written down doesn't mean you don't follow it.
Ridiculous how this country needs to be spoon fed information and rules. Absolute babies.
That's what I'm saying, how hard was it for them to say that?No, it isn’t. It’s getting a little tedious having to read this, actually. There is no written governmental guidance that specifies this anywhere.
If that's not essential, nothing is.The local ice cream van has just turned up outside my house!
This is a bonkers argument. Who do you count as "the general public"...a vast majority are following the guidelines to the letter, and many of those that aren't are making little difference to anything. Who is shopping to "get out for a bit"? What shops are they going in when only the essential ones are even open? It's just childish presumptuous nonsense to be honest.It's pretty fair tbh, the general public are being total asshats and not following simple guidelines. Government chose to treat us like adults, now it's time they step up and treat us like the children we are.
Alot of people on furlough are using this like a massive holiday.
People shopping to get out the house for a bit. Everyone going insane now it's been 5 weeks? All because they couldn't stick to it properly from the start.
Whoever mentioned we are doing herd immunity lite is correct. The public can't follow simple rules so it's our only option till a vaccine is found.
ours has been coming every 2 days for a fortnight now, essential my arseThe local ice cream van has just turned up outside my house!
Absolute shite, look a the "clap" in whatever bridge it was, look at the companies still working when told not to if it's not essential.Jumped up, Facebook-warrior dogshit, to be frank.
The vast majority of the general public has overwhelmingly followed the guidance implemented, as is evident by all kinds of data to support this.
There are businesses that have started to return to work over the past week, which will only increase as people start to feel the burn of financial penalty. People will follow guidance until putting food on the table becomes an issue. On that front, we’re getting there.
You are right, the UK only advised against it, while many other countries have forbidden non essential travels within and outside countries. I sometimes forgot that we are not in the same countries.Didn't the lads in Ireland say that there were English traveling over to second homes and bringing caravans over? Georgie Bingham on Talksport was going apoplectic this morning about the supermarket she was using, getting rid of the distancing markers, letting as many people in as wanted to go in all at once and social distancing had gone completely out of the window.
It wasn’t. I think the government should have been clearer (and significantly quicker) on many things from the outset. But limiting exercise time to a specific timeframe was, ultimately, not policy.That's what I'm saying, how hard was it for them to say that?
Fatigue and the government in near open warfare while making noises about easing restrictions. That said the local park here had literally 2 people in it earlier. The least busy I've ever seen it...but there has been noticably more traffic the last couple of days.My local park is the busiest it's been since the lockdown came in. Loads of people having pic nics, sunbathing etc. I'd say it's at about the level it was the weekend before the lockdown came in.
Obviously that's anecdotal, but you accompany that with businesses beginning to re-open and the roads getting busier.
Lockdown beginning to fizzle out?
So if there is never a vaccine you want us all to just basically be imprisoned forever?This is a bonkers argument. Who do you count as "the general public"...a vast majority are following the guidelines to the letter, and many of those that aren't are making little difference to anything. Who is shopping to "get out for a bit"? What shops are they going in when only the essential ones are even open? It's just childish presumptuous nonsense to be honest.
I don't know ANYONE on furlough using it as a holiday. Most are just at home getting on with the situation or are worried they wont have a job after.
"It's our only option until a vaccine is found"...I don't even know where to start with this. How do you propose to produce a vaccine in time to stop hundreds of thousands of people dying as prisoners in their own homes within the next year? Statistically lockdown has killed potentially 5000+ people in the space of two weeks...we're at 5 weeks now. That number is going to be 10,000+...as an example, I know of one person who has committed suicide. My dad who is on the at risk list is smoking and drinking 3x as much...this is AS dangerous to his health condition as corona virus.
Lockdown measures even as they are are NOT a viable medium or long term plan. They are nowhere close to it. For all we know we are already approaching the point now where they do more damage than they prevent.
Did you know that there is no guarantee there'll ever be a vaccine? Did you knwo that when there is it'll be of little use to a lot of people on the at risk list because their imune system isn't strong enough to deal with a vaccine? The flu has been around for 100 years and the vaccine for that is still only useful to a very small percentage of people.
That's the point I was making they said excersise once a day but didnt say how long for. Again how hard was it for them to put say a 1 hour limit on it but they didnt is the clear point I was making.It wasn’t. I think the government should have been clearer (and significantly quicker) on many things from the outset. But limiting exercise time to a specific timeframe was, ultimately, not policy.
The feck? I'll have a 99 with a flake!The local ice cream van has just turned up outside my house!
It's mad seeing that was likely how it was spread in the first place. It's amazing how complacent people have been and those numbers are growing.You are right, the UK only advised against it, while many other countries have forbidden non essential travels within and outside countries. I sometimes forgot that we are not in the same countries.
Look at France on flight trackers, there is very little activity.
If that's not essential, nothing is.
ours has been coming every 2 days for a fortnight now, essential my arse
In fairness it's well known that my local ice cream man used to sell ecstasy as a side gig(He would hide the pills at the bottom of the ice cream cones, apparently), so I'm guessing it's a busy time for him during the lockdown. And really this is the sort of entrepreneurship Britain needs in this time of crisis.The feck? I'll have a 99 with a flake!
I dont believe this lockdown will be good enough in it's current form. My local town seems busy still. It also has big signs up saying 'Check in on your 5 nearest neighbour's'My local park is the busiest it's been since the lockdown came in. Loads of people having pic nics, sunbathing etc. I'd say it's at about the level it was the weekend before the lockdown came in.
Obviously that's anecdotal, but you accompany that with businesses beginning to re-open and the roads getting busier.
Lockdown beginning to fizzle out?
I said so myself in my post, however, It stands to reason that how the people acts acc. to govt guidelines and rules, how widespread the disease was before shutdown etc has something to do with it. We tested much more and closed down earlier. Of course easier here, lower pop.density etc, still, the virus would have spread more here as well. But since you never really knew how many were infected early on, then some people infect those at home, at work etc and the virus circulates even during a lockdown. The percentage of infected at the time you lock down means a lot as to how long it takes to take down the numbers. Germany tested many early on, and propably closed down earlier relative to percantage of infected.Norway is also very different in its population density and how they are spread out. The UK and Italy are fairly similar.
Brilliant.Absolute shite, look a the "clap" in whatever bridge it was, look at the companies still working when told not to if it's not essential.
People are pretending to follow guidelines but they're not, I've seen loads preach in Facebook, but then they're at the shops 3-4 times a week? Or they've nipped to see their mam?
It's a smokescreen from people, telling social media what they want them to.
A Chinese takeaway opened here last night I think it was, queues for miles, no social distancing.
If you are the type sticking to the guidelines perfectly, then your circle of friends / associates are probably from the same type of cloth and do the same so that's what you see.
Look at a different demographic to yourself and see what is happening, young people (16-30) who have the jobless, drug using, drinking lifestyle. They haven't stopped point blank.
I know "sensible" people who think a shop at b and m for new curtains is essential.
Maybe I went OTT saying general public are asshats, but there are enough asshats to destroy it, the busy bodies reporting people are also breaking the rules cos they're constantly out for any excuse to catch other people. I know dogs that haven't been walked for years suddenly getting dragged about by owners, friends, family, just so they have an extra excuse to go out. Now the police aren't that arsed, the dog paths are just about empty as they were before lockdown.