A whole load of nothing from Boris again.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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It was the coming back out again that was the problem
No, I get that I really do, but from our living room windows we could see lots of people out for a jolly over the weekend without thinking of the impact they could be having on the people who actually live here.
A person who’s decided they can’t cope and goes about their normal business by ignoring lockdown and social distancing is then very likely to do that while compromising the person who wants to do what has been recommended.
Like the people in the village that obviously weren’t concerned about keeping their 2m space between me and them at the expense of me wanting to keep 2m space between me and them.
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This is a bit worrying? (I can't copy and paste as I think it'll screw up the embedded Tweets). Basically children presenting with covid related symptoms, in apparently growing numbers. Not necessarily Covid 19, maybe a different pathogen.
This is a bit worrying? (I can't copy and paste as I think it'll screw up the embedded Tweets). Basically children presenting with covid related symptoms, in apparently growing numbers. Not necessarily Covid 19, maybe a different pathogen.
TrueIt was the coming back out again that was the problem
This is why we shouldn't rush to end lockdown - we don't know this disease well enough and it is going to potentially mutate if we keep exposing it to new hosts. We need to get to New zealand levels of new cases before we start to consider opening schools / relaxing lockdown.
Really worrying if it’s true.
I don't understand any of that stuff about this kid's disease but it sounds very scary. Perhaps one of our resident medical professionals can explain it for us @Pogue Mahone @Arruda @Anustart89
Surely children presenting with “covid related symptoms “ that don’t have covid 19 are just kids with colds/flu?
EDIT: Never mind. Read the article now. Feck. Me
There have been babies in hospital that have survived covid19 so it's not completely 'new' news, is it, that children can get sick with this?
What would be the implication of this being completely new developments, that the virus is mutating or has mutated?
What would be the implication of this being completely new developments, that the virus is mutating or has mutated?
"There is little information about how widespread the condition is but the number of children affected is likely to be small, the HSJ reports. Some of the children have tested positive for Covid-19, and some appear to have previously had the virus, it adds."
The bolded part is the most concerning one. This virus is still extremely new, we're only scratching the surface of what effect(s) this has on you - and so far we only know about the short term effects. What would be worrying is that, if it causes other long term complications to those who recover or even stay asymptomatic during their initial infection.
Of if it’s reinfection which presents this way. Which would obviously be a complete disaster.
Re long term effects after infection one we already know about is hypercoagulabiliy. Forming clots inside the body, which can cause a stroke. I wonder if this kids thing is part of the same picture. Or completely unrelated and driven by the immune system. Feck knows. Grim news to start the week anyway.
Yeah I'm chalking that news on kids as bullshit with my head firmly in the sand until it's more widely substantiated.
It’s 100% legit. Shared with medic friends and a paediatrician said she’s already seen some cases in her hospital in Dublin. Still possible it’s unrelated to covid, mind you. Also, we have no idea re numbers. Could be (hopefully is!) an extremely rare complication.
I think it's the latter, but it's a serious matter so the urgent message has been circulated in case doctors assume that because it's a kid, they should be fine. Belt and braces approach I reckon.
I didn't know about this, but that sounds horrific. Do you know how common it is and how easy it is to diagnose?
Sounds like it could mean an entire generation spending their lives on blood thinning medication if it is widespread (well if they get diagnosed with it)
I don’t think anyone thinks it’s a permanent consequence. Just a lingering effect which persists for several weeks/months after infection. No idea how common it is and it’s not easy to diagnose. It’s usually only discovered when someone turns up with a clot.
I do wonder if it will end up requiring all confirmed cases go on a short course of blood thinners when they’re discharged. We’re nowhere near that stage yet though.
It's not totally new. Children have been showing up with weird inflammations and rashes in Europe for a few weeks now. As the virus spreads through the English speaking world and they start to see the same, these articles are going to find the way into the press.
I would guess it's also becoming more common as the disease spreads through the population. It might not be that the virus is transforming.
Indeed they have.
https://www.ejpd.com/images/nuova-vasculite-covid-ENG.pdf
Kawasakis involves extensive vasculitis, so I presume these kids ending up in ITU are going through a similar type of disease process to “Covid Toes”. Except as well as purple digits, they’re getting vascular lesions in more critical organs.
Also. To put things in context. It’s not unusual for certain specialties to raise a flag about a cluster of weird cases. And it often amounts to nothing.
The paediatric intensive care society put this out today so obviously there might be worries
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One of the paediatricians I was talking to mentioned apparently only 5-10 cases that prompted the worries in the UK so far with a few case reports here and there from other countries. The understanding so far by the paeds consultant I spoke to was that these cases could actually be children with other conditions who may have happened to be COVID19 positive, and that the primary insult is the other condition e.g. GpA sepsis , meningitis etc of which they have been unfortunately presenting late, due to the stay at home message being adhered to by parents.
Crucially nothing from Royal College of Paediatrics and child health so far, its a bit vague and understandably concerning (I've got a one year old daughter too who I haven't seen since lockdown started) but awaiting a formal announcement from RCPCH would be prudent. I know this has been picked up from a lot of media outlets so expecting some clarification pretty soon.
Never thought I’d think it -
Thank feck for warfarin
Thank feck for warfarin
Not the worst analogy. General public more likely to get behind rhetoric to be honest than anything else.
Its a fecking laughable analogy.
It's a terrible analogy as it is literal two non analogous situations which defeats the point of an analogy. The general public would be served better with more leadership and less rhetoric and I don't believe that, generally, the public only relate to meaningless soundbites.
To be fair, the majority of this country voted for an election campaign that literally consisted of a soundbite, on repeat.
It doesn't surprise me at all that the PM is adopting this type of approach, it works for him.
Ive read an article today stating that in UK 73% of COVID patients in intensive care are overweight and 83% are overweight in France. That’s a large overrepresentation if numbers are correct. Any UK and France posters can confirm?
Further this also give a hope that 3rd world countries will handle COVID better due to less overweight (not so much UK and US)
Further this also give a hope that 3rd world countries will handle COVID better due to less overweight (not so much UK and US)
Oh great, Tesco Value Trump is back to save us
I've read similar a few times I think. The virus is most lethal for seriously unwell people and being obese is a sign of being seriously unwell.
I remember a while back, a paper showed pictures of someone in their early 30s I think who was "healthy with no underlying conditions" and without wishing to sound insensitive, one look at the person and you were "yeah, right". The individual looked over 20 stone in weight - no official underlying condistions maybe, but a very unhealthy individual whose body is not going to fight off illness.
Collected the oximeter today. Checked with the healthy kids and myself first, normal readings: heart rate of 67-75 and SPO2 of 98%-100% (my 7 year old son won that one with the max score).
Checked my ill daughter and her heart rate is 108-112 with SPO2 of 99. Wife around the same. The high resting heart rate is expected for a person with an infection or virus. Thankfully they don't need oxygenating despite the various covid symptoms and daughter's chest pain.
Out of interest, what percentage of the UK is classed as overweight? I imagine its quite high.
"We defied so many predictions" was another Trump line.
They're desperate to spin their handling as a success and it comes across so poorly and misjudged given its against a backdrop of actual deaths.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/375886/adult-s-body-mass-index-by-gender-and-age-in-england/
The problem is a lot of our population is overweight. According to that the mean BMI is something like 25 which would classify you as overweight.
Maybe hold off opening the schools just yet, eh?
BMI calculations in this country are ridiculous. I'm BMI of 29ish, considered overweight, but wear size 32" trousers without struggling. Figure that one out.
Good to hear.
cant bloody get one over here. All sold out.
Cheap ones on amazon don’t deliver to Ireland so considering whether to pay €80 for one that will
You're a minority for who it isn't representative. People who carry above average muscle mass obviously fall out of its range, but it works pretty well for most people who for example don't work out.
Trouser size also not representative of waist size, if you hoik your gut up over your trouser waistband before fastening your trousers.