Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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I'm so glad I don't live in America, how on earth people stop themselves reacting to things like that I've no idea. I know it's probably due to fear for their own life, but my god the sheer nerve of some of the police, in knowing they'll get away with it would tip me over the edge I think.
 

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Sorry if posted already, but surely all of these incidents will have to be investigated? This guy wasn't being violent or behaving in a threatening manner.

 

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Sorry if posted already, but surely all of these incidents will have to be investigated? This guy wasn't being violent or behaving in a threatening manner.

That is beyond fecked up. What a fecking nazi shitehole.. Hope the poor guy is ok.
 

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Such hypocrites.
Means absolutely nothing now. These people are bending over backwards contradicting themselves daily and it doesn't even matter. Accountability is just gone.
 

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Means absolutely nothing now. These people are bending over backwards contradicting themselves daily and it doesn't even matter. Accountability is just gone.
And it's partisanism more than hypocrisy, most seem to assume their allegiance.
 

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Where are all the human rights organisations, that are always quick to speak out when violent government behaviour happens in non-Western countries? Why is the EU not reacting fiercely to the blatant oppression and disregard for basic human rights in the US?

The world has to start sanctions against USA for its' systemic racism, oppression and exploitation of human beings, both domestically and on foreign lands.
 

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So now it's fine to put your hands on children.
@Sassy Colin was right about cyclists after all.

What I keep seeing in these videos of a complete lack of public order skills from the police. What are they trying to achieve? There's no clear objective i.e. clearing a street or area. It's just widespread beating of pockets of protesters. I see very few shield tactics, or even shields being used, just batons. It's bizarre and really dangerous as without any clear objectives and leadership you end up with people swinging batons wildly with zero idea of what they are doing. Total out of control red mist. I thought the US was better trained and more professional than this but it seems that they revert to cracking a nut with a sledgehammer in everything they do.
 

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Where are all the human rights organisations, that are always quick to speak out when violent government behaviour happens in non-Western countries? Why is the EU not reacting fiercely to the blatant oppression and disregard for basic human rights in the US?

The world has to start sanctions against USA for its' systemic racism, oppression and exploitation of human beings, both domestically and on foreign lands.
It's on the front of Amnesty International website.
 

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Police are now arresting people for doing their job. It was also confirmed in the replies that in the State of New York, food delivery workers are indeed allowed to deliver during curfew.
 

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Where are all the human rights organisations, that are always quick to speak out when violent government behaviour happens in non-Western countries? Why is the EU not reacting fiercely to the blatant oppression and disregard for basic human rights in the US?

The world has to start sanctions against USA for its' systemic racism, oppression and exploitation of human beings, both domestically and on foreign lands.
Because the human aspect of it has never really mattered and its always been about supply chains and money for them. If anyone not speaking out against racism is somewhat responsible then anyone using oil products has the same charge for the violence in the Middle East by the same sentiment (and I'm included in this).

As much as systematic racism is very much a thing, systematic indoctrination in the fact that violence is normal in the non Western world is a thing too. Media would have us believe that a bus full of Yemeni kids being bombed by our premier oil suppliers is 'normal'.

Edit: meant government instead of media
 

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He has a point about governments not speaking out though.
Governments aren't going to speak out when their own people are currently accusing them of the same thing. French or british governments for example better shut up and fix their own problems. And in general governments are biased they have allies and won't turn against them, it's a naive if not ridiculous to expect them to somehow comment impartial on everything, they never do even when it concerns non-western countries.
 

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I see that John Barnes is trending on Twitter (disclaimer: I haven't yet read his views). The fact that every Black person is deemed by many to be a spokesperson on race, and to hold valid opinions about little else, says everything. It's patronising at best, almost as if we're 'graciously' allowing them to have their two-minute platform...
 

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@Sassy Colin was right about cyclists after all.



What I keep seeing in these videos of a complete lack of public order skills from the police. What are they trying to achieve? There's no clear objective i.e. clearing a street or area. It's just widespread beating of pockets of protesters. I see very few shield tactics, or even shields being used, just batons. It's bizarre and really dangerous as without any clear objectives and leadership you end up with people swinging batons wildly with zero idea of what they are doing. Total out of control red mist. I thought the US was better trained and more professional than this but it seems that they revert to cracking a nut with a sledgehammer in everything they do.
Of course the UK police are so restrained when they get into a mob with their mates.
 

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Governments aren't going to speak out when their own people are currently accusing them of the same thing. French or british governments for example better shut up and fix their own problems. And in general governments are biased they have allies and won't turn against them, it's a naive if not ridiculous to expect them to somehow comment impartial on everything, they never do even when it concerns non-western countries.
Which means all these Western leaders and politicians are a bunch of hypocrites and greedy twats. That's not new to me, but I hope more people start seeing the truth.
 

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Which means all these Western leaders and politicians are a bunch of hypocrites and greedy twats. That's not new to me, but I hope more people start seeing the truth.
People have never not seen the truth and never pretended that western leaders weren't a bunch of hypocrites or twats. I generally ignore this nonsense that you post, when you somehow believe that people in the "west" are idiots or blind, you do realize that people have and have always openly criticized their own countries. Your constant propangada agains the west and pro Russia is not smart, not subtle and tiring.
 
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I don't think there is one. It's just a really poor post.
My point, though it clearly wasn't very well made, is that to see the police act in this way is not new or surprising. Whether that be in the US, Uk or many other nations.
 

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People have never not seen the truth and never pretended that western eladers weren't a bunch of hypocrites or twats. I generally ignore this nonsense that you post, when you somehow believe that people in the "west" are idiots or blind, you do realize that people have and have always openly criticized their own countries. Your constant propangada agains the west and pro Russia is not smart, not subtle and tiring.
Yeah, that's BS. Minority of people have spoken out in the past, the majority obviously don't give a feck about how rotten to the core their system is.

If you think I'm talking nonsense, stop replying to me or put me on ignore. But your accusations towards me have no grounds and are beneath you as a serious and intelligent poster.
 

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Yeah, that's BS. Minority of people have spoken out in the past, the majority obviously don't give a feck about how rotten to the core their system is.

If you think I'm talking nonsense, stop replying to me or put me on ignore. But your accusations towards me have no grounds and are beneath you as a serious and intelligent poster.
Why do you think politicians lose elections around here and aren't in power for decades? Why do you think people protest every weeks for a variety of causes? Do you actually know anyone in France or the UK and what they think about their politicians?

People are perfectly aware of the system, you are not some sort of genius and you clearly have no clue about what people think in the west.
 

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Right. Not sure why you're making that point to me in such an abrasive fashion.
I was simply seeking to highlight that while it may be down to a lack of training and professionalism, this type of behaviour has been seen far too often for my liking, when you consider the responsibilities of the role they are employed to fulfill.
 

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Why do you think politicians lose elections around here and aren't in power for decades? Why do you think people protest every weeks for a variety of causes? Do you actually know anyone in France or the UK and what they think about their politicians?

People are perfectly aware of the system, you are not some sort of genius and you clearly have no clue about what people think in the west.
Yes, I've seen the blatant disregard in France for human rights when people are protesting. I've seen the corrupt party system in the UK, the two parties being basically the 2 sides of the same coin, just as in the US.

I've seen Angela Merkel being in power for 15+ years in Germany. I've seen the outrage and the public speeches given when similar atrocities as in the US were happening elsewhere, so much condemnation, pointing fingers and destroying whole nations because of the Western leaders hypocrisy and greedy nature. Where are those leaders now, to talk about one of the most unjust and oppressive systems in the history of humankind?