I've looked through the thread a wee bit and picked out some posts to threadmark explanations of what some terms are or the thought processes behind them i.e The arguments about 'white privilege', 'black on black crime', 'systemic racism', 'the UK is a racist country' etc. Just because they are arguments which seem to be looping quite a bit in the thread and it's a bit easier going forward to just reference them sometiems than having to keep explaining it. If you know any other posts to be highlighted that explain things well or reference history or points that people can educate themselves with highlight them and we can add them.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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Lucky you.
In my life, I've twice had to allow police to search my car without a warrant just to prove I wasn't "smuggling illegal aliens" just so I could go about my day without getting harassed further. Once I had to let them search my car because I allegedly "matched the description" of someone stealing car stereos and then another more severe case of false charges.
Oh and I've been in about a half dozen DUI stops although I haven't seen one in the last 8-9 years - they were much more common in the late 90s, early 2000s.
One of mine resulted in a search as well (in Texas). It was fairly cold and wet outside, so the guy asked if I wanted to sit in the front seat of his police SUV. He looked around a bit then came back and said I'm good to go, so I drove off. I left with the distinct impression he just wanted to check out the interior features of my then new car. 3 hours later I'm in Oklahoma City and got pulled over again for switching two lanes at once. The guy was again very friendly, ran my license and plates inside his cruiser, and I was off again.
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Not a Douglas Murray one though.
Just on that first paragraph you posted, it’s a good observation and something a lot of people do complain about, the lack of basic patrolling. It’s rare to randomly walk around patrolling and speak to people but when it happens you do tend to get people saying things like “it’s good to see you guys around for once” etc.In the UK police do serve as a deterrent just by being there. The more of them there are, the more visible they are and the more they build community links. I remember growing up we had local police who would always be walking a beat. Now you don't see any and if you do they are in a car, and consequently the public has lost the familiarity with them and now only ever see them in a negative setting. The police numbers are not vastly different to 20 years ago so i can only assume they're now all tied up with extra red tape and paperwork.
I'm not in a position to say there is a link and memes are usually misleading but this image is somewhat interesting as Snopes showed the figures are true. How does UK police training compare?
I find it particularly odd how there are increasing calls to defund the police, considering the same people have spent the last 10 years complaining that it is underfunded.
It again shows the difference in perception. I think someone earlier mentioned pro active patrolling should no longer happen. Yet you get a lot of people who live in troublesome areas saying they want to see more police around. And yep it’s just too busy, so much paperwork etc. I’d say more than half of what we do isn’t even crime related.
U.K. training isn’t long enough and should definitely be longer but officers not being given guns so early does help. If officers were given guns here as early as in the states you would see more police killings. Not to the level of America but you would but then it would never happen. And yeah that meme is spot on.
what was done by the protestors to maintain social distancing to ensure they're not now spreading 'the virus' to create a second spike? Cause the media spoke about the potential of a second spike like they're experts but who is bemoaning these people now who have comprimised social distancing..Because you can wear a mask but they've repeated 'social distancing' about 1,000,000 times since this happened. Are the people at these events immune? Or maybe covinds a blm supporter?? Are all these people now in quarantine? And what about if anyone was carrying the virus and didn't know, would the shops that got looted be 100% safe? ..
But with that many people, I would have thought, they are now a risk of spreading a virus in a time of a pandemic.....isn't that why people cannot all go back into stadiums? What if we all protest to go back into stadiums? And then go back into stadiums? It's pretty amusing really. I know viruses mutate, but viruses that let people vent isn't all so bad really. All it would take is one being infected for it to spread, so how exactly are they allowed to protest? Once can be done out of ignorance but when you have it happen a number of times and it spreading....then I call bs. Because if you want to stop it, you say you have a right to protest, but if you protest now there will be a spike in covid cases...right?...Isn't that a good enough reason for people to engage their brain? You don't hear it enough and it's because they're full of bleep.
But with that many people, I would have thought, they are now a risk of spreading a virus in a time of a pandemic.....isn't that why people cannot all go back into stadiums? What if we all protest to go back into stadiums? And then go back into stadiums? It's pretty amusing really. I know viruses mutate, but viruses that let people vent isn't all so bad really. All it would take is one being infected for it to spread, so how exactly are they allowed to protest? Once can be done out of ignorance but when you have it happen a number of times and it spreading....then I call bs. Because if you want to stop it, you say you have a right to protest, but if you protest now there will be a spike in covid cases...right?...Isn't that a good enough reason for people to engage their brain? You don't hear it enough and it's because they're full of bleep.
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This "reorganization" by police has been proposed for decades and it's never been implemented. The police simply will not police themselves. They still operate under the broken window theory and police unions have no incentive to reduce the amount of work/jobs for its members by reducing proactive policing. Again, much of the crimes they investigate (even violent crimes) happen due to the lack of social safety nets in these communities, which is correlated with welfare spending. Here is an economic study in 2008 about the inverse relationship between welfare payments and crimes. There are many more examples.
The military budget AND the police budget should be slashed. I posted this previously to a poster who was talking absolute nonsense:
https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/...-york-city-police-department-budget-de-blasio
The above is utterly shameful in a first-world democratic society that prides itself on human rights. And this is only in NYC. I'm sure you will find similar data across the US. If you still don't believe police departments don't need to be funded, I advise you to read Michelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow. It will have anyone with a functioning moral compass seething and demanding widespread police defunding.
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Wow
It just goes to show how out of touch you and your comments are with what's going on.
I call you willfully ignorant b/c you making claims about "propaganda against cops" and claiming the movement to defund police is "retarded" and "stupid' without even bothering to give a shred of empirical evidence or cite any studies. So yes poster from Spain who likes to weigh in on US issues with a smug tone and no evidence, you are willfully ignorant.
When we hashed this out earlier, I came away with the view was it is very high risk but when you have lightning in a bottle you have to act on it when you have a chance to force change on something of this magnitude.
Another thing to consider is that most states are well into opening up, and in the grand scheme of things that will cause more opportunity for transmission than these protests if we have a ‘second wave’ (the first wave was never really over in many places in my opinion, but that’s a topic for the Covid thread).
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It definitely makes a difference. I live in Italy now and the police are always visible and often just out walking the streets. They are armed but they're not kitted out in all the gear, except for the tax police (who they wan't people to be scared of). Crime is consequently quite a bit lower, despite it being a poorer country than the UK.
I lived in SF and Mountain View and worked in Berkeley a few years ago and Bay Area cops seem less aggressive than cops in Texas (where I lived for most my life). But then again marijuana has been more or less decriminalized there for a while and. places like the Tenderloin exist.
I'm not surprised that's your experience.
Yeah we do this a fair bit. Mostly around Christmas. They'll usually set up in a place where you can't get out, such as a highway exit, or one way streets.
Not sure where you get your information from, but it's misguided. First, places like NYC are already in the process of doing so.
Secondly, by defunding the police local governments can move those funds towards inner-city social welfare programs, which has shown to decrease crime.
Lastly, nobody is saying abolish the police so your last comment is just plain silly.
This post doesn't make any sense and shows a lack of understanding of the whole defund movement. It's about shifting the priority from over-policing to building social safety nets in these communities. George Floyd's death is simply a symptom of a systemic issue in the US.
Nah.....after a vasectomy it’s firing blanks. Nowt to do with negative discharge
Just attending the NHS all-staff-briefing. Simon Stevens talking about the creation of a new centre to investigate the impact of race and ethnicity on people’s health... Also lots of talk about black mental health, black lived experience, health inequalities, workforce race equality, psychological safe spaces... such a huge topic. Ending with a message from a BAME representative: "Don't be racist!".
What an abortion of a post.The propaganda against cops is quite somethingThere even are talks about defunding the police which is borderline retarded. How stupid you have to be to even suggest that? They are underfunded if anything. Jeezus. I mean I am sure all the criminals and looters would be excited but cmon people.
Conservatives claim ‘woke race mafia’ is erasing history after HBO temporarily removes ‘Gone With The Wind’
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/co...r-hbo-temporarily-removes-gone-with-the-wind/
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/co...r-hbo-temporarily-removes-gone-with-the-wind/
To be fair, pretty soon history is going to be their happy place, where whites enjoy all the advantages and can look down on and abuse the inferior coloureds, so you can understand their concern.
Cannot make out if this is a real person under the knee but either way it is a disgusting thing to do. America is totally divided and the hatred isn’t going to die down anytime soon
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Woke race mafia sounds like if 3 6 mafia started making socially conscious music.
Sounds like a song title from The Fall.
You'll laugh but I think 3 6 mafia had a few threads of social consciousness in their music
You're probably right, I've never listened to 3 6 outside of their big hits.
it's another distraction. squirrel!
The focus from the elected officials in govmnt should be on de-funding police and changing the rules on who pays for legal settlements.
Wholesales changes are needed otherwise we'll be here talking about it again next week, next year, in 5 years time.
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This is probably why it should be elevated to first degree murder. They knew eachother and Chauvin, when presented with the possibility, used his police job as a convenient pretext to go after him.
At what point can one pre-meditate murder? That's an interesting question.
Yeah probably but there's a higher chance of acquittal and more social unrest. Consciously or unconsciously I'm sure that was a factor
An existing relationship between the two certainly makes it harder to suggest such sadistically over the top brutality was merely accidental.
It's a video from The Sun so I would hope it does.
Pizza driver lives matter!
Oh this is brilliant
I don't follow?
Is piloting that dangerous? Accidents are rare if you're a commercial pilot. Obviously if there is a problem with the plane your chances of dying become much greater but I think being a police officer is more dangerous.