The outrage is there, but because of the 24 hour news cycle and the government being unapologetic about it, the outrage disappears until another story comes along, then we get outraged briefly, and so on
(see Jenrick/Desmond story, Williamson etc.)
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(see Jenrick/Desmond story, Williamson etc.)
The stench of sleaze and incompetence is becoming characteristic. You would think at some point it will become too much even for the non political public.
I'd disagree with that as i don't think it's such an obvious exchange. The 'typical' Tory/Republican voter doesn't trust politicians anyway they see them all as corrupt and all the same. Cronyism is priced into the political classes so it's fine. It's why Trump gets away with so much shit.
It's also why Labours moralistic approach fails to cut through because these people don't trust or believe it. I've seen that before when I've helped canvass. I assume it's a reflection of their own morals but I'm not a psychologist.
If you want people to get mad at this stuff you sell the moralistic argument to the left and competency/wastefulness argument to the right.
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He has been on holiday throughout this A Level fiasco. He doesn't give a feck.
None of them give a feck. That's why they're Conservatives..
Don't know, previous ones have at least pretended to give a little feck. I don't know if I have seen a government as insouciant as this one.
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There is one thing in common with 2017 and 2019. Older voters had no confidence in the Labour Party and its leader.
Either that or the older voters are far more gullible.
Or they have different economic interests with a different social experience that makes them alienated to a left wing Labour party.
That's one hell of a depressing read.
It's quite obviously a Brexit impact. It really couldn't be any more evident, 64% of 65+ age group voted for Brexit and when they did polls last year those supporting were even higher. That demographic were only ever going to vote one way in those elections.
With the next election being post brexit 'delivery' you'd hope they'll become open to voting for whichever party they think is best again. That said they might stick as a reward or become even more bitter when Brexit doesn't make it like the 'old days'.
Climate change should be the next big issue and all age groups poll as caring about it. Whether that translates to funding policies to deal with it or not who knows but I'm hoping Labour wins ground there.
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I do wonder if older voters are more susceptible to believing/being influenced by, sometimes inaccurate, digital marketing ads on social media etc. Which has been a prominent part of Tory (and vote leave) campaign strategy.
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@DavidDeSchmikes The article you shared certainly backs up my point to some degree.
"The King’s College research said that while government policy had focused on social media as a source for disinformation, much of it was being “spread by domestic political actors” and news outlets."
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To analyse some charts that do not make sense based on nothing scientific?
No shit sherlock, Tories understood they could get away with this shit when they pulled off Brexit. No accountability is the problem.
Definitely, it’s like a bizarre phenomenon. Old people that would interrogate the truth out of a verbal statement with the ferocity of a seasoned detective sargent just seem to swallow any old bullshit if it’s delivered in meme-form
I guess they have been raised in an era when there was some level of press/media accountability and integrity. Whereas now anyone can say anything online seemingly without consequences.
Yes, the idea that, ‘it must be true or it would have been denounced as bullshit already and wouldn’t have made it to my attention’. And who the feck can blame them for adopting that position, entirely reasonable as it is. No wonder you hear the phrase “things were better in my day”. I can feel myself wanting to adopt it myself in this shithole of a world we live in
The article as a whole, as opposed to the charts, which tbh I wasn't that interested in.To analyse some charts that do not make sense based on nothing scientific?
It fits in with my own experiences (which admittedly can only ever be anecdotal) about the thought processes of many of the people who did vote for brexit.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/firms-linked-tories-won-500m-22563625
Firms linked to Tories have won £500m coronavirus contracts without having to bid
EXCLUSIVE: Labour says at least 13 companies got the contracts with no competitive tendering as companies with links to the Conservatives 'doing well out of publicly funded projects'
Firms linked to Tories have won £500m coronavirus contracts without having to bid
EXCLUSIVE: Labour says at least 13 companies got the contracts with no competitive tendering as companies with links to the Conservatives 'doing well out of publicly funded projects'
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Good thread. Carole is a bit fecking tired of this incestuous Westminster-Journalist arrangement and Peston I taking the brunt of it.
Civil servants being removed yet elected officials having no responsibility. Pathetic.
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The over 65's are just something else.
Let me guess, most of them bought their houses for absolutely nothing and moan about how easy it is for all of us.
Weird thing is 'back in my day ' for these people was the hippie 60's.
Turns out private property is a real vibe killer, dude!
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To which the correct response is “100 pounds? That’s about what your house cost right?”
To be fair, most over 65s probably haven't a real conception of what working from home looks like. They probably just thought this would encourage a return to normality. And, of course, age correlates with the other factors in the survey such as voting Tory and Brexit.
I think the headline is a tad unfair.
Ha. Workers are being encouraged to return to offices to spend their money on shit they don’t need, like expensive coffees and lunches. But also, it’s their fault they can’t afford to buy a house, as they waste all their money on shit they don’t need.
They're really pushing this return to the offices thing aren't they? It's almost as if the commercial landlords and tax dodging sandwich business owners are starting to get panicky that the free market might decide they are obsolete.
My season ticket is the best part of £10k and 4 hours of my day were spent commuting. Add the lunches and inevitable causal after work drinks and I’m saving a fortune, my diet is better, I drink less and I’m getting several hours of my life back, which has improved my mental health - all whilst there is no detriment to the work my team produces.
The idea of going back to ‘normal’ to keep Pret’s profit margins high sounds batshit insane and although some people like it in an office, I don’t see many being tempted if they have any choice.
The idea of going back to ‘normal’ to keep Pret’s profit margins high sounds batshit insane and although some people like it in an office, I don’t see many being tempted if they have any choice.
The other day on 5Live they were talking about private renters being unable to pay their rent arrears and someone came on saying that if the government supported those who couldn't pay it would be bad for landlords and signal the end of the private rental market. I was struggling to think of anything negative that would come from that.
Surprise, surprise, a government of Brexiteer fanatics sees only opportunities for themselves and their mates from the pandemic. Absolutely bereft of any vision to rebuild the economy other than stupid slogans. All the big employers have already indicated they are not planning reopening their offices fully any time soon, but the geniuses from vote leave reckon all that is missing is another fact free campaign.
Tough for town centres, but I cannot really see people going back to the same old patterns of work again. A competent government, never mind a radical one, would be figuring out how to support the town centres adapt.
Tough for town centres, but I cannot really see people going back to the same old patterns of work again. A competent government, never mind a radical one, would be figuring out how to support the town centres adapt.
Put simply if that's true then any sensible company is going to put their own interests first and look to downsize City centre offices as they are expensive
If companies actually see more value in having people in the same buildings then they are going to do that but prets profit margins as you put it isn't going to enter that equation