SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

They're only reviewing the alert level every 4 weeks? Surely it should be every week?

Good They're helping businesses that have to close.

What if I live in a postcode that's fine but work in one that's high or vice versa?
 
United Hobbit said:
What if I live in a postcode that's fine but work in one that's high or vice versa?
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If it's a job that means you can't work from home, and that hasn't closed due to the restrictions (bars & restaurants in Liverpool for example), then carry on as normal.
 
Chris Whitty’s had his crayons out this afternoon.
 
fergieisold said:
Fascinating politics. Labour MPs avoided a lockdown tier 3 in Manchester despite the Conservatives wanting one. Nice test case though. Liverpool vs Manchester with the different restrictions.
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Liverpool always have to be higher in the table
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Liverpool.

So pubs have to close apart from ones that do food of course, like Spoons etc.
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Anything Tim Martin wants I guess. Every Weatherspoons in high or very high risks areas be getting a massive shipment of cheap food soon and a menu change. Plate of chips with 3 pints for a fiver.
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m considered medically vulnerable and apart from medical appointments and today’s dental appointment I don’t really see anyone other than my wife and children since March. I’m ok but I worry about the stress on my wife as she has basically bought fully into cocooning too for my sake. She hasn’t seen her family since like January (they live in England), and she works from home so not getting even to see work colleagues. It’s starting to give her anxiety. We desperately need a small break somewhere. Fcuk 2020
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Bless you mate. It’s like a fecking nightmare all of this.
 
horsechoker said:
For a second I thought people were saying Labour and or Conservative voters were responsible. Now that would be an interesting question!
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I was expecting them to blame the EU. They were blamed for everything else.
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m considered medically vulnerable and apart from medical appointments and today’s dental appointment I don’t really see anyone other than my wife and children since March. I’m ok but I worry about the stress on my wife as she has basically bought fully into cocooning too for my sake. She hasn’t seen her family since like January (they live in England), and she works from home so not getting even to see work colleagues. It’s starting to give her anxiety. We desperately need a small break somewhere. Fcuk 2020
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Just hire an Airbnb or similar and drive somewhere. We did the same after the main lockdown in Italy first lifted. You just need a change of scenery, even if it's not far away.
 
Clever move by Boris if I've understood it right. The government has set the basic restrictions, leaving the local authorities to add what they wish. So those that complain about them, whether they think them too strong or too weak, will be told to blame their local authority rather than the government.

What the northern mayors have been asking for, more responsibility. Is it a case of be careful what you wish for?
 
11101 said:
Just hire an Airbnb or similar and drive somewhere. We did the same after the main lockdown in Italy first lifted. You just need a change of scenery, even if it's not far away.
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I don’t drive and missus is a new driver, a nervous one at that. Not gonna happen unfortunately
 
11101 said:
Just hire an Airbnb or similar and drive somewhere. We did the same after the main lockdown in Italy first lifted. You just need a change of scenery, even if it's not far away.
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I was considering doing something similar recently as I need a break, but would still be very nervous with regards to the hygiene of the home owner, if they've just had guest leave a few hours before you arrived, if someone had the virus who stayed in the bed the night before and was coughing on it, thus leaving bacteria dug into it..

I guess I'm a slight hypochondriac, but better to be safe :lol:
 
Dave_MUFC said:
I was considering doing something similar recently as I need a break, but would still be very nervous with regards to the hygiene of the home owner, if they've just had guest leave a few hours before you arrived, if someone had the virus who stayed in the bed the night before and was coughing on it, thus leaving bacteria dug into it..

I guess I'm a slight hypochondriac, but better to be safe :lol:
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I was gutted to lose my annual holiday this Summer but even when wondering if it was going to happen I realised if you can't totally switch off and relax it's a waste of money. That's the whole point of a holiday to me sure it's nice to see different things but waking up knowing there is no work and the day is mine and I am super chilled out is a lot of it personally.
 
The Cat said:
I was gutted to lose my annual holiday this Summer but even when wondering if it was going to happen I realised if you can't totally switch off and relax it's a waste of money. That's the whole point of a holiday to me sure it's nice to see different things but waking up knowing there is no work and the day is mine and I am super chilled out is a lot of it personally.
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Can't agree with you more.

Seeing on social media lots of people I know (and used to know) jetting away to various countries over the last few months boggles my mind. Really don't understand how you can have a holiday and have the stress of being in the airport/plane, taking all the precautions etc.

I guess In that case, ignorance is bliss, and they don't really think about any of this :rolleyes:
 
711 said:
Clever move by Boris if I've understood it right. The government has set the basic restrictions, leaving the local authorities to add what they wish. So those that complain about them, whether they think them too strong or too weak, will be told to blame their local authority rather than the government.

What the northern mayors have been asking for, more responsibility. Is it a case of be careful what you wish for?
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This is not true at all. I work for a local authority and we do not have powers to enforce restrictions. These are all set by the Government but they have consulted large authority mayors in their decisions.
 
The flu kills about 30-60k in the US in year. This has killed 220k in 7 months in the US and it'll get a lot worse in the winter..

And all this despite lockdowns, people wearing masks and a lot of precautions.. no one cares with the flu.. People go to work, kids go to school. no masks.. nothing.

I don't understand people still comparing this to the flu..
 
prateik said:
The flu kills about 30-60k in the US in year. This has killed 220k in 7 months in the US and it'll get a lot worse in the winter..

And all this despite lockdowns, people wearing masks and a lot of precautions.. no one cares with the flu.. People go to work, kids go to school. no masks.. nothing.

I don't understand people still comparing this to the flu..
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Of course there’s comparisons to be made. The difference is the flu has been around for 100 years so people have built up immunity to it. Yet it’s still killing half a million a year.

I’m sure if no vaccine comes out Covid maybe another disease everyone just has to live with and hope builds immunity to it.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Of course there’s comparisons to be made. The difference is the flu has been around for 100 years so people have built up immunity to it. Yet it’s still killing half a million a year.

I’m sure if no vaccine comes out Covid maybe another disease everyone just has to live with and hope builds immunity to it.
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My money’s on that happening regardless. Vaccines,, natural immunity and treatments will reduce the mortality rate to something we can live with but it’s here to stay, more than likely. It’s also possible the virus will evolve to become less dangerous.
 
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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Thats a very silly statement mate.
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Well how would you do it?

There’s probably a way to suit your agenda (for example total number of cases vs deaths which boosts it to like 2/3%) but clearly the number getting tested isn’t everyone who has the virus. There’s no way to get an exact figure. I suppose if someone has the data of September UK cases vs deaths that’s something I’d listen to.
 
TheGame said:
This is not true at all. I work for a local authority and we do not have powers to enforce restrictions. These are all set by the Government but they have consulted large authority mayors in their decisions.
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The BBC says 'The government said it would work with local councils on the additional measures for each area '. I'm reading would work, not just has worked, which indicates to me that if the local authority asks for changes they are likely to get them. I'm quite willing to be wrong but I'm not accepting 'it's not true at all' either.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Of course there’s comparisons to be made. The difference is the flu has been around for 100 years so people have built up immunity to it. Yet it’s still killing half a million a year.

I’m sure if no vaccine comes out Covid maybe another disease everyone just has to live with and hope builds immunity to it.
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The flu from 100 years ago is different to the flu we see today. There is a reason we see a new version of the flu vaccine each year. We havent built up immunity to it at all, people still catch it.
 
Andy_Cole said:
The difference is the flu has been around for 100 years so people have built up immunity to it.
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This isn’t quite right as influenza mutates at a high rate allowing it to evade immunity. This is known as antigenic drift. Influenza can also recombine with other strains and change very rapidly, known as antigenic shift. So the immunity you build vs one influenza strain does not necessarily confer immunity to another. This is one of the reasons the vaccine has to be changed so frequently.

Good news is that SARS-CoV-2 mutates more slowly than influenza, so this is likely to be less of a problem.
 
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Dave_MUFC said:
Anyone else getting really annoyed with the government constantly harping on about how being able to travel to see your family on Christmas and boxing day will absolutely, definitively happen, with a 0% chance of being lockdowned during that period?

In July/August, everyone thought the world would be back to normality by now, not heading into another wave, so not sure how that statement can be made with so much confidence.

Telling people that if they don't respect rules and try to lower the risk, otherwise there's a chance we don't get to see family at Christmas would surely install a bit of worry amongst the doubters, and get people to abide a lot more.

But oh wait, what about the Christmas economy.... :rolleyes:
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You are joking right? 'second wave' has been the big buzzword from the second cases and death rates started declining the first time.
 
Isnt ni in a worse stat than Liverpool atm? Surprised we aren't locked down again
 
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