Should never play for us again...it won't even be any great loss.
Time to start setting some basic standards of behaviour.
Time to start setting some basic standards of behaviour.
Raiola: "I can say that it's over for Pogba at United"
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My impressions of VdB is that he's probably more suited to playing as an 8 rather than as a 6. I guess he will have opportunities to prove himself this season though. Regardless of what happens with Pogba there's not much excuse to feck up transitioning him out of the squad by next season.
2 days after the story broke that we are offering Bruno a huge deal..
Not sure anyone's particularly arsed if he leaves anymore, I know I'm not. I actually suspect the van de Beek signing was made in anticipation to ease a potential departure. He's managed to lose his place in the squad and hasn't done anywhere near enough to regain it. I hope we reinvest any money we get from him wisely.
I'm sure Raiola thinks he's a genius, saying this before a really important match but everytime he's said something like this in the past it's generated a really positive response from our players. Comments like this used to worry me but since we now have Fernandes and Rashford carrying the slack Pogba's become more of an afterthought for me, as talented as he is. Comments like these are tedious and I'd be happier if we just got rid of Pogba and Raiola entirely, they aren't worth the hassle.
I'm sure Raiola thinks he's a genius, saying this before a really important match but everytime he's said something like this in the past it's generated a really positive response from our players. Comments like this used to worry me but since we now have Fernandes and Rashford carrying the slack Pogba's become more of an afterthought for me, as talented as he is. Comments like these are tedious and I'd be happier if we just got rid of Pogba and Raiola entirely, they aren't worth the hassle.
True facts these.Haha this reminds me.
The reasons why its not his fault that he has been a massive fraud/failure at United.
1) Isn't suited to 4-2-3-1
2) Isn't a DM
3) Isn't a CAM
4) Play him on the left side of 4-3-3. Spoiler alert, we already tried and he was still fecking shit
5) Mourinho is bullying him
6) He's unfit
7) He's back from injury
8) He was injured 6 months ago
9) He won the world cup
10) He had coronavirus
11) A player of his skillset shouldn't be forced to track back. Judging by his defending, I would agree
12) He needs better players around him to thrive. He can't do it all by himself
13) He's a workhorse (wtf)
14) Ole doesn't know how to use him (oh but he seemed like he did when he first came, what changed?)
15) He was out of breath
16) He was man-marked
You really need to educate yourself more on how transfers work. If Pogba was putting in Eden Hazard performances(Chelsea levels) then even with a year left on his deal you could get a good fee but over the course of his career he`s been slightly above average at best for an 89m player(his world cup performances with France 2 years ago count for very little if anything cause of his Utd career), been getting a couple of niggling injuries of late and on 290k a week. That on top of this being a COVID market means we`re even lucky Juve is showing an interest because Madrid/Barca wouldn`t touch him with a bargepole. If we overplay our hand we risk letting him go for free which is bad business best we can do is either get a player from Juve or a fee of 50-60m
Likewise. If he's gone in January then I'd hope it will be agreed ASAP, so we can spend the rest of the time lining up a top quality replacement. Don't think Pogba's a bad guy, but I'd struggle to find a player in world football that I think would be worth this much of a circus.
I didn’t say they both thought he was shite but of course, I can’t deny that I said they disliked him. Well, Jose clearly does, as you don’t call someone you’re not close with a virus (actually, that insult is a step too far even with close friends, showing how much Jose detested him) in front of many people. With Fergie, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen somewhere that he was angry that Pogba threw his toys out the pram after the Blackburn game and wanted to leave. We all know what Fergie thinks of bratty novices.
Imo, it can’t be argued that both of them disliked him, and as I said, when two of the GOAT managers dislike you for whatever reason, you really can’t be that good can you?
The proof is on the pitch. As long as he delivers on the pitch, I've no problem. Raiola will be Raiola. He thinks he's bigger than the clubs he sells to
Is this guy just a dick to United or is he like this with other clubs too?
I agree to a degree but who causes the circus;Pogba,the media,Raiola?
Well no, agents act as spokespersons for the player. If they are constantly disrespecting the club, it's as good as the player doing it.
If fans are happy to let Pogba go for 60m then fine but don't start crying when he plays half decently for another 5 years and we can't even afford Grealish.
I believe we can get more from the deal, we're already expecting to sell him at a loss in his prime.
I can certainly understand the upset surrounding the comments, before such a big game, but I think the fan base should be beyond giving Paul Pogba himself stick at this point.
These are Raiola’s comments, granted Paul should have given the comments the go ahead, and I don’t deny that, but at his point they are so out of step with the rest of what Paul has been saying that I couldn’t care.
He’s going at the end of the season or the summer, fine. He’s saying he’s focused on winning with us right now, fine. The comments coming out now aren’t helpful but so be it.
Many would argue he isn’t our best/most important player at the moment, with Bruno, Rashford, even guys like De Gea ahead of him.
I am wary however that we won’t be commanding the fee that some will be expecting for him...
These are Raiola’s comments, granted Paul should have given the comments the go ahead, and I don’t deny that, but at his point they are so out of step with the rest of what Paul has been saying that I couldn’t care.
He’s going at the end of the season or the summer, fine. He’s saying he’s focused on winning with us right now, fine. The comments coming out now aren’t helpful but so be it.
Many would argue he isn’t our best/most important player at the moment, with Bruno, Rashford, even guys like De Gea ahead of him.
I am wary however that we won’t be commanding the fee that some will be expecting for him...
How much more do you expect us to get for him? His contract is winding down and there's no chance he'll extend. I actually think we'll accept less from Juve in the end.People on here saying they'd sell him for 50m
Thank god you're not managing the finances of a top football club. Jesus, I'll give you £100 right now for your ps5.
We should have actually done it in reverse in the summer just gone with any bit of forward thinking. We could have got Grealish before he signed the bumper new deal and then Pogba would already be rotting on the bench now anyway.
People keep saying “After one great game he (Raiola) says this” actually, it’s one ok second half with a great goal, after a terrible first half, where if it wasn’t for his name and price tag he’d be the one getting subbed instead of DvB.
Time to build our team around players that want to be here. This is the time for Ole to think, what would SAF do, and answer is put Pogba in reserves. And view our squad as Bruno and DvB as our only two ball playing CM’s, with Fred, Matic, and McTomminay as our workhorses. Then integrate and find a system that gets the best out of Bruno and DvB playing together with one CDM.
Time to build our team around players that want to be here. This is the time for Ole to think, what would SAF do, and answer is put Pogba in reserves. And view our squad as Bruno and DvB as our only two ball playing CM’s, with Fred, Matic, and McTomminay as our workhorses. Then integrate and find a system that gets the best out of Bruno and DvB playing together with one CDM.
it is time for him to be moved on. 
That's what it feels like.
I think Pogba enables it. If it was just the media then we can say they are morons, but Raiola (his mouthpiece) is constantly talking shit. All Pogba needs to do to make us all stop is just say something. He never does, so as far as I am concerned, he is telling his agent what to say. He thinks him keeping quiet makes him look innocent but it actually makes him look like pathetic
It's kind of a shame that Raiola et al feel the need to do the drip-feed media stir-fest thing this time around -- at this point, does he even need to try to engineer an exit in this way? Seems like all parties would be best served by an amicable exit, so you'd hope United and Raiola could just agree on the fee needed to do a deal and then get on with it.
If I was one of his teammates in that dressing room, I'd be questioning his commitment after this. Hopefully he gets called out for it.
Meh pogba goes he will go down as a failure at united.
For all those saying he's a proper person, always in the mood, a jokesman, keeping the spirits in the locker room high.....
Well, his agent sure as hell isn't playing along!
Well, his agent sure as hell isn't playing along!
What do we look like if we start him tomorrow?
He gave AC Milan a ton of headaches a few years back when Donnarumma had to have his contract extended. AC Milan finally gave in and offered whatever Raiola asked for, but that was after Raiola was threatening AC Milan that his client will leave them.
I might be wrong but I don't think well run clubs like Liverpool/City/Bayern actually bother with any of his clients.
And when Pogba actually says something it's about how Madrid is everybody's dream club
Raiola is trying to cash in high - as we should be doing. He’s just picked up some form - that goal reminded people he’s a potential world class midfielder. Sell! We’ve seen how good the team ticks without him. Trying to shoe horn him in has caused us a lot of grief.
Ole should be biting his hand off right now. 60 mil? 80? 100? Just take it and run.
Ole should be biting his hand off right now. 60 mil? 80? 100? Just take it and run.
That's what I don't get. The majority of United fans want him gone. It has been shown that he is not really needed thanks to Bruno. If this is a contract ploy then I think Woodward will happily call his bluff because Pogba has shown feck all. All Woodward has to do is point to Bruno and tell Pogba to feck off
What a terrible deal, especially if you think Pogba's been terrible. We won't even recoup a good fee for him.
I really don't know if people are that desperate to get rid of Pogba that they'll accept almost half of what we paid for him or if he really is only with half of what we paid.
I admire the optimism of those who think United could get Grealish for £50m. It’s the same as Zaha at Palace; he’s worth far more to them than any of his potential suitors. You’ll have to seriously overpay to get him.
Ed... "Hold my coat!"
All are culpable to an extent, the combination of Raiola being the biggest SOB in football and Pogba being a high profile and highly marketable player; thus an easy target for media criticism is all just a recipe for disaster. Even our inconsistency as a club as a whole is a contributing factor, with us only seemingly having a clear direction in the last year or so.
I will also say that we'd be idiots to go in for Haaland at this point out of self respect, he's a big personality in his own right and adding Raiola in to the equation would see us making the same mistakes all over again.
Depends on his contract situation. But if he has more than 2 years then looking closer to double that
I’m indifferent to him leaving but why the feck is that fat idiot speaking out like this mid season? Good riddance to the slob (im sure we’ll replace him with another of clients)
Sell Pogba for £50 million
Buy Grealish for £80 million
Buy Grealish for £80 million
I think it's not enough to just get rid of Pogba.
We should stop doing any deals with Raiola entirely even if that means missing out on potential talents like Haaland. I wonder if it's legal to put into existing players' contracts that they can't use Raiola / his associates / agency in any advisory capacity.
We should stop doing any deals with Raiola entirely even if that means missing out on potential talents like Haaland. I wonder if it's legal to put into existing players' contracts that they can't use Raiola / his associates / agency in any advisory capacity.
Ok that's interesting to know
Fergie and Gill didn't work with him, so United need to cut him off again once Pogba is gone.