He should not be lumped in with Arteta and Lampard for sure. He's a veteran and those two are young and learning... And Lampard.
He should not be lumped in with Arteta and Lampard for sure. He's a veteran and those two are young and learning... And Lampard.
Lampard's only 5 years younger than Solskjaer, a drop in the ocean for a manager! Lampard's only got himself to blame for taking so long to get himself into management.He should not be lumped in with Arteta and Lampard for sure. He's a veteran and those two are young and learning.
That’s a really odd post.Lampard's only 5 years younger than Solskjaer, a drop in the ocean for a manager! Lampard's only got himself to blame for taking so long to get himself into management.
Ole has been managing sides for a few months less than Pep Guardiola. Compare him to that guy, not a baby like Lampard who he has more than a decade on.Lampard's only 5 years younger than Solskjaer, a drop in the ocean for a manager! Lampard's only got himself to blame for taking so long to get himself into management.
They are all in jobs they don't deserve and fooling people to different extents with a combination of smoke and mirrors. Frank will perish first imo. Arteta, the biggest impostor, will be next.Ole is not great but he deserves better than being lumped in with Arteta.
I hope this is tongue in cheek comment.Ole has been managing sides for a few months less than Pep Guardiola. Compare him to that guy, not a baby like Lampard who he has more than a decade on.
That’s a really odd post.
The poster had good point though. Both are only 5 years apart in term of age. When Ole retired, he became our attacking coach and then went to manage our reserve team to molde and to Cardiff. This is part of his preparation and plan how to be a professional manager, dedicated himself, gained lot of experience first to learn. He knows he’s not a quick learner.Ole has been managing sides for a few months less than Pep Guardiola. Compare him to that guy, not a baby like Lampard who he has more than a decade on.
There's not a 30 year age gap but there is a 10 year experience gap.I hope this is tongue in cheek comment.
People act as if Ole was 60 and Lampard 30.
Ole has managed very small clubs compared to United. While he gained some valuable experience at Molde which has helped him so far at United, managing a club such as United is a completely different challenge, especially if your coaches are also not that experienced and the club doesn’t have a competent board to help him out.
Omg...that's embarassing. First one, ok, that was in jest. But the second one...f*** off man, I don't watch ESPN but did he ever say he was wrong about us? Pundits are so entitled to make hindsight analysis...Not quite sure if they seriously discussed it but just look at the click-bait titles
Does it matter who's managed for whatever duration? If anything, Lampard should be compared with Sarri and other predecessors. Sarri finished 3rd and won the Europa and got sacked. Lampard had a solid excuse of the transfer ban and would've been sacked had it been any other season. Now that he's backed in the transfer market, I don't see him staying in his job if he replicates last season's performance.Ole has been managing sides for a few months less than Pep Guardiola. Compare him to that guy, not a baby like Lampard who he has more than a decade on.
Yep. You could argue Lampard should be more in tune with modern football since he played with half of the City squad!Lampard's only 5 years younger than Solskjaer, a drop in the ocean for a manager! Lampard's only got himself to blame for taking so long to get himself into management.
Ole has.been there longer and spent more, not to mention that he's boss of a much bigger club. Of course he's going to be under more media scrutiny.Anyways, the comparison between Ole and Lampard is purely because of the supposed "pressure" Ole is under while Lampard enjoys a much more protected environment from the English media. Results and position wise, the situations are pretty similar for both United and Chelsea. For what its worth, I believe Ole would already have been sacked had Roman been our owner.
But are Chelsea fine with having a "baby" as manager? From what I've seen baby versions of top managers also tend to be quite good.Ole has been managing sides for a few months less than Pep Guardiola. Compare him to that guy, not a baby like Lampard who he has more than a decade on.
I am, for the moment. If we end up in a worse position than last season then he's done.But are Chelsea fine with having a "baby" as manager? From what I've seen baby versions of top managers also tend to be quite good.
It's a coping mechanism. Given a choice, none of us will swap our managers with each other or Arsenal for that matter. Ultimately, the proof is in the results and as things stand, it seems that only Spurs have upped their game from last season.Ole has.been there longer and spent more, not to mention that he's boss of a much bigger club. Of course he's going to be under more media scrutiny.
The comparisons on here are because people seem to think "less shit a manager than Frank Lampard" is some kind of achievement.
I think Werner's been fine in general, yeah last two games he's been awful but before that even when not scoring it he's was contributing.It seems to me like they bought a bunch of good players in the transfer window and Lampard doesn't have a clue on how to fit them in the same team. I've not been impressed with Havertz or Werner but I feel like they are not being used right.
Pulisic was making an impact off the bench when Lampard appeared to be prefer CHO as the outright starter. A couple of assists off the bench, especially that crucial late 1-0 win away at Ajax and then he scored a hatrick when he got his start. Havertz fluctuates between okay-ish to absolutely dreadful at the moment, and this isn't a slight against him, I think he'll come good, but he has made next to no impact in almost all of the games he's featured in so far.I think Werner's been fine in general, yeah last two games he's been awful but before that even when not scoring it he's was contributing.
As for Havertz yeah it's not happening for him but at this age we can afford a bit more time, I actually think Lampard is managing him wrong at the minute, start of last season Pulisic ghosted his first month in the PL so Lampard took him out of the firing line for a while, he should be doing the same here.
I was thinking more between the first two international breaks. In August he was fantastic in the super cup but he was invisible in league games (his underlying metrics weren't looking much better than Kai's last night) so then he was took out of the team for a month only appearing against Grimsby (where he was also pretty average) and late on vs Saints just before the second break.Pulisic was making an impact off the bench when Lampard appeared to be prefer CHO as the outright starter. A couple of assists off the bench, especially that crucial late 1-0 win away at Ajax and then he scored a hatrick when he got his start. Havertz fluctuates between okay-ish to absolutely dreadful at the moment, and this isn't a slight against him, I think he'll come good, but he has made next to no impact in almost all of the games he's featured in so far.
I don't know if the right answer is to just remove him from the firing line or to allow him to play through this tough period. What doesn't help is moving him all over the place into different positions to do a job or fill in for injured players. He has had zero continuity from literally day one.
I feel like it really depends on the individual player, which is why it's hard for fans to know the kind of man management that works. Sitting out for a while and playing through the struggle are both reasonable approaches depending on the individual. Taking Pulisic out of the team for a while worked for him. He came back and hit the ground running.I was thinking more between the first two international breaks. In August he was fantastic in the super cup but he was invisible in league games (his underlying metrics weren't looking much better than Kai's last night) so then he was took out of the team for a month only appearing against Grimsby (where he was also pretty average) and late on vs Saints just before the second break.
I just feel with his struggles atm plus recovering from Covid I feel he can do with sitting out for a similar amount of time and then make a return vs Morecombe and work from there. He looks like he needs the physical and mental break.
To be fair though, it's a known fact that having so much squad upheaval in a single transfer window will lead to those kinds of problems. It's a risk he's taken which is on him.Should be rightly criticised on the results so far but you have to get lucky for a team to gel so quickly. He bought so many players.
Think we will see the fruits of this late this season and into next season. The players they bought are undoubtedly quality.
Yes provided he had complete control of the situation which few managers do in this day and age. Wonder how much influence he had. Even still, he'll be judged on them rightly or wrongly.To be fair though, it's a known fact that having so much squad upheaval in a single transfer window will lead to those kinds of problems. It's a risk he's taken which is on him.
It's only Man United fans who really slaughter Ole. There's far few Chelsea fans so far less slaughtering going on.Looks like Lampard just used the fatigue excuse that Ole still gets slaughtered for.
Sarri didn't get sacked, not sure where you got that from. Juve paid us millions to release him from his contract.Does it matter who's managed for whatever duration? If anything, Lampard should be compared with Sarri and other predecessors. Sarri finished 3rd and won the Europa and got sacked. Lampard had a solid excuse of the transfer ban and would've been sacked had it been any other season. Now that he's backed in the transfer market, I don't see him staying in his job if he replicates last season's performance.
Would he have stayed on for Season 2 if there was no Juve?Sarri didn't get sacked, not sure where you got that from. Juve paid us millions to release him from his contract.
I'll just give Roman a WhatsApp and get back to you.Would he have stayed on for Season 2 if there was no Juve?
Werner was good under Nagelsmann (from what I hear) but before that he was shocking whenever I saw him. Really poor in that 2018 World Cup, in every game.I'd like to know what kind of attacking training is going on.
Is Lampard instructing them to pass it wide all the time and get a cross in, or is it simply the players are incapable of doing anything else on the ball?
Either way, its shockingly ponderous, one dimensional football.
Having said that. Even Liverpool would struggle if they had two players playing at the level of Werner and Havertz. They are so completely useless its like they're playing with 9 men every match.
I genuinely can't think of any player who's played in a top four side who's had basic passing and ball control as bad as Werner's. Its lower league level half the time.
Lampard needs to drop both of them before they cost him his job.