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Their league finishes under Klopp were 6th, 5th, 1st 1st 2nd 2nd 7th and subsequently left his role after that season. So id say he ran himself into the ground and his team.
They spent 3 months in the relegation zones, with a star studded team. It was near disastrous.
Most managers have similar cycles and and it’s my opinion that he has peaked as Liverpool manager. There is absolutely nothing wrong with chatting about this on a Jurgen Klopp sub forum within a football forum.
‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.
I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
He's such a massive, seething hypocrite.
Worth noting they faced a Fulham side without their main striker too. Quite amazing how many times that happens for them really.
Fixed.
Great manager always making a cnut of himself though
I think that's the case for most teams to be fair, especially ones who don't have the resources to quickly refresh the team. It's harder for such teams to stumble on excellent players more than once. It wasn't just his style.
As united fans we've been spoiled in that regard because Sir Alex was the master at revitalising teams.
The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:
Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.
Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.
Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.
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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.
Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.
Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.
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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
I don’t mind elitism from our manager. Makes rivals hate you.
Yeah. It could be that Klopp and his coaches and saving them for the second half of the season, united under Fergie were often slow to get going but always managed to peak at the right time.
Obviously I'm hoping its something deeper and he hasn't yet got to the stage of deciding when his team should peak!
It's more likely a combo of taking foot off gas for run in and injuries thus far this season.
Wenger was always guilty of this too. Howver it's the least detrimental of the three to your team......unfortunately!
But Liverpool played far more passes overall so the fact that Fulham still played slightly more long passes actually does actually confirm their game was mostly based on playing long passes. 25% of the passes from Fulham were long passes while it's 8% for Liverpool. On average only 11% of Fulham passes are long passes so 25% is indeed an extremely high number.According to whoscored.com Fulham had 63 long ball passes, Liverpool had 60
1. Burnley 840 2. Wolverhampton Wanderers 753 3. Brighton and Hove Albion 725 4. Newcastle United 724 5. Everton 713 6. West Ham United 701 7. Leeds United 692 8. West Bromwich Albion 688 9. Liverpool 685 10. Southampton 681 11. Chelsea 676 12. Tottenham Hotspur 670 13. Sheffield United 667 14. Crystal Palace 625 15. Fulham 612 16. Leicester City 605 17. Aston Villa 595 18. Arsenal 591 19. Manchester United 513 20. Manchester City 512
Now is there anything wrong with changing your tactics especially when you're up against a superior team? Obviously not but that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
I'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.
The following images are proof of that:
Pure evil.
I'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.
The following images are proof of that:
Pure evil.
Eye see what you did thereI'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.
The following images are proof of that:
Pure evil.
I'd say the majority of them long balls came in the last half hour when they were starting to struggle and they brought the big man on up top. Before that for the first hour when they were tearing Liverpool a new one they had Lookman and Cavaleiro upfront, 2 midget wingers
It's what the great managers do. Deflect, even if it means talking shit to protect their players. As long as the players are actually capable it ends up being the right approach 9/10 times.
Then Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.
I missed him having a whinge when things havent gone their way.
- rename this iconYou don't have to commit any of these sins
Not that Fergie was flawless, but at least he didn't do any of the above for the most part.
Exactly this. It is time. I feel Mou could easily get him to react if he wanted to. I think he'll wait to see how the game on Weds goes.
If I were him, I'd definitely start with Klopp's quote about: "Other clubs can go out and spend money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."
It's annoying how effective those long balls are though at getting them in the attacking third. We suck at that.
I stole it from imgurEye see what you did there
He's a terrifying man, no doubt.
Never in a million years would I let him pet my children.
And now I'm doing this anyway.
I did not watch that final Dortmund season, but from what I have read, they were really a statistical anomaly that year; no team with those stats should have been in their position. And even if that's bollocks, they turned it around in the second half and still finished 7th. (Well: I see they were just three points below 5th - but also 15 points of 4th and only 12 points from direct relegation; 5th to 17th were pretty close that year.) That doesn't sound to me like the team was gone from him. And it was anyway his seventh season with the team, not his third or fourth or fifth.
Also, the season after under Tüchel, they finished second again and got far in all their cups, (including the EL; I missed that they did qualify for that by finishing 7th in 2014-15), while Tüchel has his teams play an equally demanding style of football. So if it was tiredness in that 7th season, it was either tiredness of Klopp (which probably Klopp thought, given that he decided that it was his last season there), or they somehow managed to rest during the season.
Anyway, happy to disagree. I'm spending way too much time on something I don't even care all that much about.
(Also, I would agree that it's on Klopp to explain why his Liverpool team is having so many injuries right now. it's not like everyone is in that particular boat. Although for example the VVD injury has nothing to do with Klopp; that's on Pickford entirely.)Very good
It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
I agree. I just wish we did it. Particularly in games when we are struggling with another teams press. SAFs teams were masterful at knowing when to play long or not.
It is so annoying how often Pool get the second ball once they go direct. They sprint like mad men as soon as the ball touches the head of the opposing player.
Pace and technical ability from our front three coupled with the work rate of putting opposition under pressure from our midfield equals winning the ball high up the pitch more often than not. It's a very simple tactic which we get right a lot of the time
Will be interesting game to see and certainly don't expect Spurs to get blown away like we have seen happen in the past against Pochettino/AVB/Sherwood sides
Whilst he is just moaning because they failed to win, he is also exposing a real weakness of Liverpool’s high defensive line which was continuously exposed by Aston Villa and Leeds earlier in the season.
It’s such a shame that when Liverpool came to the Bridge, Lampard lacked any sort of ambition and parked a few buses to try and stop Liverpool instead of exposing their defensive weaknesses this season. A cautious approach he seems to apply against any decent enough team.
Liverpool may well win the league again this season but it won’t be without faltering. Most teams are going to have off days in this mad season and the title race is wide open.
The fact that Spurs are still top of the pile approaching Christmas speaks volumes about how mental this year has been.
It’s such a shame that when Liverpool came to the Bridge, Lampard lacked any sort of ambition and parked a few buses to try and stop Liverpool instead of exposing their defensive weaknesses this season. A cautious approach he seems to apply against any decent enough team.
Liverpool may well win the league again this season but it won’t be without faltering. Most teams are going to have off days in this mad season and the title race is wide open.
The fact that Spurs are still top of the pile approaching Christmas speaks volumes about how mental this year has been.
He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
I was just coming to talk about that ? How come ? Of course winning the PL with 99 points is great but Bayern won the treble, wtf ?
Think winning the first ever PL title for the club was a huge achievement. I wouldn't argued with him winning to be fair, even ahead of Bayern winning the CL (I don't really count the other two trophies as anything serious).
What a joke..
So going out of the Champions League in the Round of 16 is enough to be the worlds best coach
So going out of the Champions League in the Round of 16 is enough to be the worlds best coach