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Himself, could be; but you were talking about 'them' , with which I suppose you mean the team.
Their league finishes under Klopp were 6th, 5th, 1st 1st 2nd 2nd 7th and subsequently left his role after that season. So id say he ran himself into the ground and his team.Yeah, can't be bothered either, just didn't want to leave it unchallenged like that.
‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.I can't be bothered to look it up, sorry, but look for posts by the resident German posters in relation to Klopp. They've explained multiple times. In short, though, he stayed there a full seven years; had to deal with important players leaving, but still had only one poor season (his last); and in that season his team was often extremely unlucky (crazy stats) and he anyway finished only just outside the European spots thanks to a very strong run in the second half of the season. That's not 'burning out his team'.
Fixed.I know I would agree as a United fan but think you are spot on. Klopp gets a lot of love from Liverpool fans and the media, but beneath the thick veneered horse teeth there’s a proper sore loser and pretty unseemly bloke in my opinion. I also think that he’s a massive narcissist.
I think that's the case for most teams to be fair, especially ones who don't have the resources to quickly refresh the team. It's harder for such teams to stumble on excellent players more than once. It wasn't just his style.‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.
I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
I don’t mind elitism from our manager. Makes rivals hate you.The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:
Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.
Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.
Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.
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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
Yeah. It could be that Klopp and his coaches and saving them for the second half of the season, united under Fergie were often slow to get going but always managed to peak at the right time.Dunno, really no idea. We had the title pretty much locked up since New Year so motivation might've been gone a bit, or they needed some time to click again after the lockdown. I think it was still quite good until we won the title (or at least the Palace game at home I think), after that it was pretty average but not unexpected once they didn't have anything to play for anymore.
This season we've been really good in some games (Leicester and Atalanta come to mind) but also very bad, or simply lethargic, in others. With the little rest, lot of injuries, ... I don't think it's that surprising. We've been on a high the last two seasons, it's bound to go down sometime (just look at City right now too). Not quite willing to say that we're already over our peak but maybe Klopp needs to change things up again a bit. Hopefully the return of players like Oxlade-Chamberlain and (especially) Thiago will help too. Jota being out for 6-8 weeks is another setback we could've really done without.
I think it's gonna be up and down for the entirety of the season, we'll certainly not walk to the title like we did last season.
Wenger was always guilty of this too. Howver it's the least detrimental of the three to your team......unfortunately!The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:
Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.
Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.
Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.
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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
But Liverpool played far more passes overall so the fact that Fulham still played slightly more long passes actually does actually confirm their game was mostly based on playing long passes. 25% of the passes from Fulham were long passes while it's 8% for Liverpool. On average only 11% of Fulham passes are long passes so 25% is indeed an extremely high number.According to whoscored.com Fulham had 63 long ball passes, Liverpool had 60
1. Burnley 840 2. Wolverhampton Wanderers 753 3. Brighton and Hove Albion 725 4. Newcastle United 724 5. Everton 713 6. West Ham United 701 7. Leeds United 692 8. West Bromwich Albion 688 9. Liverpool 685 10. Southampton 681 11. Chelsea 676 12. Tottenham Hotspur 670 13. Sheffield United 667 14. Crystal Palace 625 15. Fulham 612 16. Leicester City 605 17. Aston Villa 595 18. Arsenal 591 19. Manchester United 513 20. Manchester City 512
I'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.Ive always thought he was very false and the nice guy act was paper thin. Just never liked him.
I'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.
The following images are proof of that:
Pure evil.
Eye see what you did thereI'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.
The following images are proof of that:
Pure evil.
I'd say the majority of them long balls came in the last half hour when they were starting to struggle and they brought the big man on up top. Before that for the first hour when they were tearing Liverpool a new one they had Lookman and Cavaleiro upfront, 2 midget wingersBut Liverpool played far more passes overall so the fact that Fulham still played slightly more long passes actually does actually confirm their game was mostly based on playing long passes. 25% of the passes from Fulham were long passes while it's 8% for Liverpool. On average only 11% of Fulham passes are long passes so 25% is indeed an extremely high number.
Now is there anything wrong with changing your tactics especially when you're up against a superior team? Obviously not but that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
Then Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:
Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.
Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.
Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.
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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
You don't have to commit any of these sinsThen Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.
Exactly this. It is time. I feel Mou could easily get him to react if he wanted to. I think he'll wait to see how the game on Weds goes.Come on Mou! Fulham handed you Klopp on a platter! Rile him up!!
Then Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.
I stole it from imgurEye see what you did there
He's a terrifying man, no doubt.
Their league finishes under Klopp were 6th, 5th, 1st 1st 2nd 2nd 7th and subsequently left his role after that season. So id say he ran himself into the ground and his team.
They spent 3 months in the relegation zones, with a star studded team. It was near disastrous.
Most managers have similar cycles and and it’s my opinion that he has peaked as Liverpool manager. There is absolutely nothing wrong with chatting about this on a Jurgen Klopp sub forum within a football forum.
And now I'm doing this anyway.‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.
I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
Very goodFixed.
It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.It's annoying how effective those long balls are though at getting them in the attacking third. We suck at that.
I agree. I just wish we did it. Particularly in games when we are struggling with another teams press. SAFs teams were masterful at knowing when to play long or not.It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
It is so annoying how often Pool get the second ball once they go direct. They sprint like mad men as soon as the ball touches the head of the opposing player.It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
Pace and technical ability from our front three coupled with the work rate of putting opposition under pressure from our midfield equals winning the ball high up the pitch more often than not. It's a very simple tactic which we get right a lot of the timeIt is so annoying how often Pool get the second ball once they go direct. They sprint like mad men as soon as the ball touches the head of the opposing player.
Will be interesting game to see and certainly don't expect Spurs to get blown away like we have seen happen in the past against Pochettino/AVB/Sherwood sidesLeicester didn’t open up against us at all. They say in and tried to counter. We’re actually better against sides who sit back. Spurs would be better off doing what Fulham did early on against us.
I was just coming to talk about that ? How come ? Of course winning the PL with 99 points is great but Bayern won the treble, wtf ?He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
Think winning the first ever PL title for the club was a huge achievement. I wouldn't argued with him winning to be fair, even ahead of Bayern winning the CL (I don't really count the other two trophies as anything serious).I was just coming to talk about that ? How come ? Of course winning the PL with 99 points is great but Bayern won the treble, wtf ?