Thanks, at least it's only one league game he's missing for
Nope, back to burn the Scousers like another South American did in 2003
Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post
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This is totally disgusting and undermines attempts to challenge actual racism.
Not to mention the irony of the FA’s racism in not understanding cultural differences and contexts around the world.
Not to mention the irony of the FA’s racism in not understanding cultural differences and contexts around the world.
Terrible statement from the FA...Classy response from United and Cavani
Well this is a load of infuriating bollox.
On the “face to face training” thing. I’m obviously assuming this will be via Zoom and can confirm it isn’t a complete waste of time. We’ve had a couple of unconscious bias sessions at work and I found them actually pretty interesting/useful.
On the “face to face training” thing. I’m obviously assuming this will be via Zoom and can confirm it isn’t a complete waste of time. We’ve had a couple of unconscious bias sessions at work and I found them actually pretty interesting/useful.
Leaves us a bit short that, granted Martial but not a lot else as presumably Ighalo will be gone and/or can’t be doing much in training.
Time for the young lad we nicked from City who’s all the rage to get a run out?
Time for the young lad we nicked from City who’s all the rage to get a run out?
Why did Dele Alli get 1 match ban but Cavani get 3 match ban, I thought the rules changed after Bernado Silva incident?
What a joke but expected nothing less from FA.Yeah, it sucks but it is the way of the world. Racism lurks deep within our bureaucracy and all our institutions and is really difficult to dislodge. But you have to be seen being "anti-racist" at all times without fail and that's what has done him I think.
I read somewhere that a 3 game ban was the minimum punishment for this offense per the FA's code of conduct.
I can see Mason through the middle for FA cup game, Martial for City and Cavani back for Liverpool.
Its not that bad
Really? You don't see the difference in attacking FA for what is cultural imperialism and sticking up for a racist? Guess I'll have to call Carragher and ask him for a shirt.
100 000 pounds? Are you kidding me? The match ban, all right, it's by the books. But 100 k?
K.Trippier got a 70k fine for much worse.
Edit: I might have gotten Trippier's first name wrong. Kevin or Kieran, no clue.
K.Trippier got a 70k fine for much worse.
Edit: I might have gotten Trippier's first name wrong. Kevin or Kieran, no clue.
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Or a certain FrenchmanThanks, at least it's only one league game he's missing for
Nope, back to burn the Scousers like another South American did in 2003
10 week ban though, put it into perspective. Rather a 3 match ban
The financial implications were much worse. What Trippier did was akin to insider trading. The 10-week ban is the minimum. In Cavani's case, I don't recall any player being imposed a 100k fine in English football(in recent years).
100k is racket
The FA are a bunch of miserable cnuts. I really hope there is some way Cavani can take them to court.
100k is to go towards paying Greig Clarke's pay off
This is what happens when (I presume) people with limited intelligence who cannot speak a foreign language, have never lived in a foreign country, and who don't understand nuance are able to pass judgements in a kind of kangaroo court. They presume that their hyper-sensitive race awareness trumps all other forms of understanding relating to the Spanish language and Cavani's upbringing and culture.
I feel really sorry for Edinson who has really had his name tarnished and made to feel bad for something unnecessarily. He has apologized because he has been advised that it is in his best interests, I assume. However, he must know that he hasn't knowingly done anything wrong and behaved in a way that is perfectly acceptable in his own country.
This is damaging for him and puts him firmly in the wrong for no good reason. I hope that United are able to support him and show him the love that he needs to feel welcome at the club and in a country that will no doubt feel very strange to him right now.
As someone who speaks and understands Spanish and who has lived for a long time in South America I have total sympathy and understanding of what Edinson said. He has been wronged, but to some extent the governing bodies have painted themselves into a corner by constantly doubling down on race awareness. Having done that, it really leaves them with no option to be harsh on Cavani, even though they must surely be aware of the specific nuances in this case that clearly absolve Cavani of any wrongdoing.
I feel really sorry for Edinson who has really had his name tarnished and made to feel bad for something unnecessarily. He has apologized because he has been advised that it is in his best interests, I assume. However, he must know that he hasn't knowingly done anything wrong and behaved in a way that is perfectly acceptable in his own country.
This is damaging for him and puts him firmly in the wrong for no good reason. I hope that United are able to support him and show him the love that he needs to feel welcome at the club and in a country that will no doubt feel very strange to him right now.
As someone who speaks and understands Spanish and who has lived for a long time in South America I have total sympathy and understanding of what Edinson said. He has been wronged, but to some extent the governing bodies have painted themselves into a corner by constantly doubling down on race awareness. Having done that, it really leaves them with no option to be harsh on Cavani, even though they must surely be aware of the specific nuances in this case that clearly absolve Cavani of any wrongdoing.
I'm not a United fan (although I would love to see them win the title this year) but I wanted to join up just to express my thoughts on how appalling this decision is. Does context not matter anymore, are we meant to pretend that friends can't joke and everything has to be deadly serious? And who are the might FA to be able to judge what is acceptable and unacceptable from other cultures?
What's also disappointing are the people who say "he shouldn't be banned but you should know better". No, that mentality is why this sort of thing creeps into our life. It should always be rejected.
What's also disappointing are the people who say "he shouldn't be banned but you should know better". No, that mentality is why this sort of thing creeps into our life. It should always be rejected.
The FA through their ill judgement on previous ‘racial‘ incidents have set an ugly precedent with this kind of incident. They are way out their depth and know that a three match ban for Cavani will tick a box for them whilst giving them the best chance for minimal controversy.
The good points made here about context and cultural racism aren’t worth the backlash to the FA for not suspending the player. A sad state of affairs and no way back for them really now. Do we honestly think our black players like Rashford and Pogba wouldn’t be vocally appalled by Cavani if they believed he was a racist. They are educated on this subject and know like all of us, what has happened here.
The good points made here about context and cultural racism aren’t worth the backlash to the FA for not suspending the player. A sad state of affairs and no way back for them really now. Do we honestly think our black players like Rashford and Pogba wouldn’t be vocally appalled by Cavani if they believed he was a racist. They are educated on this subject and know like all of us, what has happened here.
Astounding narrow minded. If anything it shows a complete disregard for the language, culture and way of speaking in another country.
Only example I can think of. Is if someone playing in the ME calls his friend “dog” on Twitter and the authorities there arrest him for insulting someone.
Yes, it can be an insult, but in some instances it’s a term of endearment.
Only example I can think of. Is if someone playing in the ME calls his friend “dog” on Twitter and the authorities there arrest him for insulting someone.
Yes, it can be an insult, but in some instances it’s a term of endearment.
What theyre also saying is English is the only language that matters. If it doesnt translate well, youre done.
Im just wondering what happens if an English word doesnt translate well into another language that someone tweets. Will the punishment be the same?
Statement from Cavani. He's clearly gutted.
Also, the English translation is a bit off. Incómodo more closely translates to "uncomfortable" rather than 'inconvenient'. But then again, isn't the nuance of language the reason this happened in the first place?
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Also, the English translation is a bit off. Incómodo more closely translates to "uncomfortable" rather than 'inconvenient'. But then again, isn't the nuance of language the reason this happened in the first place?
I can’t believe we’ve just accepted it. He should sue the FA for discrimination himself.
He can’t. It’s FA rules and not some sort of human rights issue. All moot anyway, he’s accepted it with Grace and dignity.
Not at all surprising but an absolutely disgraceful decision.
If intent isn't taken into consideration in these matters then there is something really wrong. There was absolutely nothing racist about the tweet at all.
United have clearly accepted this tactically from knowing they have no chance of winning an appeal and selecting the games they're happy for him to miss.
I get the impression they expect the City game could be called off so he'd miss Villa, Watford and Burnley.
If intent isn't taken into consideration in these matters then there is something really wrong. There was absolutely nothing racist about the tweet at all.
United have clearly accepted this tactically from knowing they have no chance of winning an appeal and selecting the games they're happy for him to miss.
I get the impression they expect the City game could be called off so he'd miss Villa, Watford and Burnley.
Good post.
I just wanna say that I don't understand the principle that if a governing body (the english F.A here) wants to have a strong stance against racism, it has to be stubborn, obtuse and blind to the very key concept of "context" here.
The fight against racism doesn't require a blind approach like that, each situation has to be differentiated and the context (intent) has to be taken into account.
Disgraceful idiocy by the FA.
Bit Rawk-ish.
I think he clearly broke rules. Now the question is would the FA take the context while deciding or not. They decided not to.
You can say he broke rules only if the word he said is explicitly banned, which I don't believe it is. He didn't refer to anyone by color or ethnicity which would be against the rules. So he is completely innocent , but the club knew they can only make it worse by fighting it, and rightly decided this is not a hill that deserves dying on.
In Uruguay, to drive on the right side of the street is perfectly acceptable...
Cavani broke the rules, but it wasn't his fault. The club should have teach him the rules he has to comply with in England.
Cavani broke the rules, but it wasn't his fault. The club should have teach him the rules he has to comply with in England.
Think the FA has no choice here.
I don't agree with the decision, but there needs to be a consistent standard set.
If Suarez is not allowed to call someone a Negrito, so shouldn't Cavani.
If this is allowed to slide, Suarez can sue the FA for wrongful suspension.
I don't agree with the decision, but there needs to be a consistent standard set.
If Suarez is not allowed to call someone a Negrito, so shouldn't Cavani.
If this is allowed to slide, Suarez can sue the FA for wrongful suspension.
I see, some people still don't get it. Just like the FA.
He was speaking spanish therefore using your analogy the FA have fined him for driving on the right side in uruguay and not england.
Suarez didn't call anyone 'negrito'. He initially claimed he used that term because it is by and large innocuous and has no negative context.
He later admitted he did not use 'negrito' and used the more offensive 'negro' to Evra, but thanks for signing up.
I had made a thread to clear this misunderstanding but still most are clueless.
The media and scousers have managed to deceive everyone of the actual facts.
Indeed.
Absolute bullshit