Literally zero chance of this ever happening.And hopefully, investigations will reveal all.
Literally zero chance of this ever happening.And hopefully, investigations will reveal all.
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It is obvious.There is no doubt at all that obscene amounts of taxpayer money has been handed out to 'friends' of government officials.
And hopefully, investigations will reveal all.
They don't need to cover it up. They just ignore it, or ignore the independent reviews or tell us it's not what people really care about. There is no recourse and they will get voted in again.It is obvious.
But I suspect it will get covered up.
That is what I meant by cover up. Deflect, distract and ignore.They don't need to cover it up. They just ignore it, or ignore the independent reviews or tell us it's not what people really care about. There is no recourse and they will get voted in again.
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Quite right. And this is the world we now live in.Literally zero chance of this ever happening.
they will investigate themselves and conclude that they’ve done nothing wrongThere is no doubt at all that obscene amounts of taxpayer money has been handed out to 'friends' of government officials.
And hopefully, investigations will reveal all.
And come out of it in an even better position no doubt.they will investigate themselves and conclude that they’ve done nothing wrong
Yep! Boris et al will be seen as trustworthy and fiscally responsibleAnd come out of it in an even better position no doubt.
Or if whoever is appointed to investigate does conclude they did something wrong they'll just disagree and ignore it.they will investigate themselves and conclude that they’ve done nothing wrong
Yeah, that's more likely, they'll just brazen it out and it will get covered up by the next controversy.Or if whoever is appointed to investigate does conclude they did something wrong they'll just disagree and ignore it.
I suspect you only read the headline. This is not nationalisation, the trains and track will still be run by private companies, they just won't be called franchises any more. It's arguably an increase in privatisation, as currently much of the track, and some of the trains, are state-run, whereas they won't be in future.I’m sure we be were told that this could never happen and would be terrible for the rail industry when Corbyn proposed something similar
And the person leading the so called investigation will be knighted.... for services to smoke and mirrors.Yep! Boris et al will be seen as trustworthy and fiscally responsible
Great. Cos the last railway privatisation went so wellI suspect you only read the headline. This is not nationalisation, the trains and track will still be run by private companies, they just won't be called franchises any more. It's arguably an increase in privatisation, as currently much of the track, and some of the trains, are state-run, whereas they won't be in future.
Labour's long-time policy, not just Corbyn's, has been to actually re-nationalise, and it has generally been one of their more popular policies.
Yep, if Labour were doing this, the Tories would be apoplectic with fake rage. Nice to see them admitting that privatisation has been a complete disaster though.I’m sure we be were told that this could never happen and would be terrible for the rail industry when Corbyn proposed something similar
No I read the article, and I didn't say nationalisation, I said Corbyn proposed something similar - which he did. His proposal went further than this, but it's still a similar concept.I suspect you only read the headline. This is not nationalisation, the trains and track will still be run by private companies, they just won't be called franchises any more. It's arguably an increase in privatisation, as currently much of the track, and some of the trains, are state-run, whereas they won't be in future.
Labour's long-time policy, not just Corbyn's, has been to actually re-nationalise, and it has generally been one of their more popular policies.
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This must be a fetish for her. Sadistic as it gets.
I know it's besides the point and a bit chauvinistic but I kind of admire that she can have the face of a vogue cover and the skirt, feet and legs of a 85year old. Also black on black clothes are tried and tested for people pulling other people from homes.Tweet
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This must be a fetish for her. Sadistic as it gets.
As much as I insult the electorate in this country, I would truly hope that they are smarter than to vote for her to be leader of this country.Plays up to her audience. They'll lap this up and likely remember it if she ever makes a run for leader.
Gotta be fashionable when you're forcibly splitting families apart.I know it's besides the point and a bit chauvinistic but I kind of admire that she can have the face of a vogue cover and the skirt, feet and legs of a 85year old. Also black on black clothes are tried and tested for people pulling other people from homes.
I know it doesn't fit the narrative, but the police were arresting people who were suspected of facilitating people trafficking.Tweet
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This must be a fetish for her. Sadistic as it gets.
Sorry, Labour nationalisation would in no way, shape or form be a similar concept to the new 'Great British Railways'.No I read the article, and I didn't say nationalisation, I said Corbyn proposed something similar - which he did. His proposal went further than this, but it's still a similar concept.
I'm pretty sure that everyone here understands that not every proposal set out in a manifesto gets put into law as intended - it usually gets watered down through debates from opposition parties as part of political debate.
I wouldn't say this is an increase in privatisation either - they will fall under and be held accountable to a State-owned body. There might be an increase in the number of private companies operating, but they don't get to dictate their own rules or prices in the same manner anymore - which is the whole point of privatisation in the first place.
If they broke the law they should be punished, I don't think anyone suggested otherwise?I know it doesn't fit the narrative, but the police were arresting people who were suspected of facilitating people trafficking.
Well yeah the companies can't operate exactly how they wish with no rules in place, but the most important points that matter to the consumer - price of rail tickets - being managed and accountable to a State body should suit the consumer better than the current system.Sorry, Labour nationalisation would in no way, shape or form be a similar concept to the new 'Great British Railways'.
You are right to say the private companies will be dictated to by the state-owned body, but the franchisees already are, very much so, to the Office of the Rail Regulator. In some ways rail privatisation was the privatisation that never was, everything the franchises can do is laid down by the ORR, how many trains they have to run, where they have to stop, where they can't stop, how much they can raise most of their fares by and so on. With the big similarity between now and the future being that taxpayer's money will still be going to private companies. Often owned foreign state railways, ironically.
The point of rail privatisation incidentally was to raise money for the treasury, the sale of network rail and the rolling stock raised £6 billion, equal then to over a penny off income tax for four years, for the tories to spend wisely by buying votes with tax cuts. They span it of course, with talk of competition and freedom, but none of that was actually true, as we found out.
The tweet doesn't intimate that, hence why the now deleted post by someone about breaking up families (ie. its an illegal immigrant that she's posing with). Weird photo opportunity grab aside.If they broke the law they should be punished, I don't think anyone suggested otherwise?
Yeah, It's probably not generally realised but the price of many rail tickets was regulated anyway. For many years franchises weren't allowed to raise season tickets by more than inflation, and then Cameron swung the opposite way and said they had to rise by more than inflation with the difference being used to reduce subsidy.Well yeah the companies can't operate exactly how they wish with no rules in place, but the most important points that matter to the consumer - price of rail tickets - being managed and accountable to a State body should suit the consumer better than the current system.
The underlying point here is that any discussion about the State being in charge of the railways was derided by the Tories at the last election.
So this change in narrative by them is funny, that's all.
My post was about her presence in the situation in the first place, whether it's an immigration raid, or to catch human traffickers - her being there is frankly odd. Like others says, it plays up to her base. I still think she gets off on crime & punishment.The tweet doesn't intimate that, hence why the now deleted post by someone about breaking up families (ie. its an illegal immigrant that she's posing with). Weird photo opportunity grab aside.
True. If Corbyn had done this there would be pictures of him with Stalin on the front pages.I’m sure we be were told that this could never happen and would be terrible for the rail industry when Corbyn proposed something similar
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True. If Corbyn had done this there would be pictures of him with Stalin on the front pages.
Although in this case it is just another way to give contracts to Tory friends.
The management will be publicly owned and still dish out contracts to private companies, no?
She didn't need to be there and I assume they have not been convicted yet.I know it doesn't fit the narrative, but the police were arresting people who were suspected of facilitating people trafficking.
She wouldn't attend anything that was concrete in terms of a conviction without the fear of it biting her back. Assumption of conviction status on the morning of an arrest is somewhat hasty.She didn't need to be there and I assume they have not been convicted yet.
It is pure opportunistic far right populism.
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This must be a fetish for her. Sadistic as it gets.
That’s actually a little bit frightening.Tweet
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This must be a fetish for her. Sadistic as it gets.
You give them too much credit.As much as I insult the electorate in this country, I would truly hope that they are smarter than to vote for her to be leader of this country.