So you seriously think moyes has done a better job?You are right should be 3 for Mourinho. It is a minor title, but better than nothing. Right now I dream for the days we could win the shield.
So you seriously think moyes has done a better job?You are right should be 3 for Mourinho. It is a minor title, but better than nothing. Right now I dream for the days we could win the shield.
Yep. It's not sentiment it's identity. I've been a United fan for more than 40 years and Jose never got what it meant to be United but Ole does.It all comes down to what you want from all this. I'm fortunate enough to have seen us win everything multiple times over and ultimately a United manager will always be judged on how many trophies he delivers so nobody can really question that Jose has been the most successful.
Like I said though its what you want from all this, and speaking from a personal perspective I'd become very blasé about this club during LVG and Jose's time here. The football wasn't enjoyable, I couldn't really identify with the team and I didn't like the managers - particularly Jose who should have been sacked the morning after the Sevilla post-match interview. The fact that he wasn't was depressing. I'd been raised on a manager that clearly lived for the club and that's more important to me than many other things. I still never missed a game of course but I'd stopped going to Old Trafford.
Ole changed that. Yes being a former player helped but that wasn't the half of it. He bleeds United and expects nothing less from the players too. I like this team. I like what we are trying to do here. People are too quick to throw accusations of sentiment at Ole-backers, and maybe that is true for some, but it also belittles the progress that he has made as manager. One final defeat doesn't change that. I've always been prepared to say his time is up when it feels like we've peaked, but I don't feel that way at all. Even if he doesn't get much further than this, failing at doing something the right way is better at succeeding the wrong way.
This clubs identity is the best thing about it by far and Ole gets that. Its a shame that so many of you don't.
Not a better job, but better result. Moyes obviously failed to win the 4 big trophies he could have won, but got the Shield at least. Ole has failed to win 11 titles possible that we could have won. So yes it is obvious that Ole has failed more, but Moyes certainly deserved the sack. Ole did not deserve the job in the first place too.So you seriously think moyes has done a better job?
I wouldn’t waste your energy.So you seriously think moyes has done a better job?
Oh give over. Charity shield ffsNot a better job, but better result. Moyes obviously failed to win the 4 big trophies he could have won. Ole has failed to win 11 titles possible that we could have won.
I think im gonna step out of these type of conversations for a few days because a lot of our so called fans seem to have been drinking the crazy juiceI wouldn’t waste your energy.
Implying Moyes had a better managerial tenure than Ole because he won a Charity Shield against Wigan that he only qualified for because Ferguson won the title the season before is either delusional or just trolling.
Many here, me included, believe we lost much earlier. If we went out on penalties and we could say Ole did all he could to win, it's a different story. We went out on penalties mainly because Ole didn't have a plan for the game and found himself clueless in a situation where we needed his sharp and accurate decisions most. Not for the first time, too. Our football surely improved in a non-stressful situations, we are better cruising through the league and managed to turn some of the draws into wins, you have to give it to Ole. When it comes to matches that really matter, be it final games of our CL group stage this year or latter stages of cups, we are completely unreliable. Going into Leicester or Villarreal game lately I was only wondering if we again manage to bottle it, and we did. This is a major problem IMOIt's toxic is what it is. We lost on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper. I know that people don't rate Villa real but the Spanish league has been among the best for the past decade or so.
At the end of the day the people who are moaning would have downplayed the EL as a nothing tournament if we had won it. They want a tier 1 manager and can't see that Ole can get there. I believe that we need to give him time to finish his rebuild and see where we are then.
If we keep getting CL qualification and the style of football keeps getting better then let's see where it goes. When we fail to qualify for the CL we can start pointing fingers at the manager. If we want to get past that we need better investment.
And that's the simple reason for which I will always rate even LvG above Mourinho for their time at Unnited.It all comes down to what you want from all this. I'm fortunate enough to have seen us win everything multiple times over and ultimately a United manager will always be judged on how many trophies he delivers so nobody can really question that Jose has been the most successful.
Like I said though its what you want from all this, and speaking from a personal perspective I'd become very blasé about this club during LVG and Jose's time here. The football wasn't enjoyable, I couldn't really identify with the team and I didn't like the managers - particularly Jose who should have been sacked the morning after the Sevilla post-match interview. The fact that he wasn't was depressing. I'd been raised on a manager that clearly lived for the club and that's more important to me than many other things. I still never missed a game of course but I'd stopped going to Old Trafford.
Ole changed that. Yes being a former player helped but that wasn't the half of it. He bleeds United and expects nothing less from the players too. I like this team. I like what we are trying to do here. People are too quick to throw accusations of sentiment at Ole-backers, and maybe that is true for some, but it also belittles the progress that he has made as manager. One final defeat doesn't change that. I've always been prepared to say his time is up when it feels like we've peaked, but I don't feel that way at all. Even if he doesn't get much further than this, failing at doing something the right way is better at succeeding the wrong way.
This clubs identity is the best thing about it by far and Ole gets that. Its a shame that so many of you don't.
We lost on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper.Many here, me included, believe we lost much earlier. If we went out on penalties and we could say Ole did all he could to win, it's a different story. We went out on penalties mainly because Ole didn't have a plan for the game and found himself clueless in a situation where we needed his sharp and accurate decisions most. Not for the first time, too. Our football surely improved in a non-stressful situations, we are better cruising through the league and managed to turn some of the draws into wins, you have to give it to Ole. When it comes to matches that really matter, be it final games of our CL group stage this year or latter stages of cups, we are completely unreliable. Going into Leicester or Villarreal game lately I was only wondering if we again manage to bottle it, and we did. This is a major problem IMO
I agreeAnd that's the simple reason for which I will always rate even LvG above Mourinho for their time at Unnited.
Refreshing and how I feel/felt about it all too.It all comes down to what you want from all this. I'm fortunate enough to have seen us win everything multiple times over and ultimately a United manager will always be judged on how many trophies he delivers so nobody can really question that Jose has been the most successful.
Like I said though its what you want from all this, and speaking from a personal perspective I'd become very blasé about this club during LVG and Jose's time here. The football wasn't enjoyable, I couldn't really identify with the team and I didn't like the managers - particularly Jose who should have been sacked the morning after the Sevilla post-match interview. The fact that he wasn't was depressing. I'd been raised on a manager that clearly lived for the club and that's more important to me than many other things. I still never missed a game of course but I'd stopped going to Old Trafford.
Ole changed that. Yes being a former player helped but that wasn't the half of it. He bleeds United and expects nothing less from the players too. I like this team. I like what we are trying to do here. People are too quick to throw accusations of sentiment at Ole-backers, and maybe that is true for some, but it also belittles the progress that he has made as manager. One final defeat doesn't change that. I've always been prepared to say his time is up when it feels like we've peaked, but I don't feel that way at all. Even if he doesn't get much further than this, failing at doing something the right way is better at succeeding the wrong way.
This clubs identity is the best thing about it by far and Ole gets that. Its a shame that so many of you don't.
As hes shown at every club hes managed Mourinho very rarely lasts longer than 2 years; in fact he only lasted more than 2 years at 2 clubs, Chelsea 2004/7 and Real 2010/13 and on both occassions he lasted less than 3 full years. I had hoped that at United he might find his "home" and take us back to the top for a number of years. I was delighted with his appointment but even before his second season was halfway done it was clear he wasnt the right man for the job and his best days were behind him, as Spurs recently found out to their cost. Starting with Porto in 2002 Mourinho was like a shooting star for about 10/12 years, a serial winner with Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real and Chelsea again but by the time he took over at United his star was waning, and it soon became clear his style of football, tactics and management was outdated and no longer guaranteed success. Without doubt he was one of the greatest managers the game ever saw and as "The Special One" was great for the PL and football in general but, like a shooting star, his burn out was quick and sadly inevitable.He didn't get players which he wanted for his style. But he was through and through United manager. Attacking style, promoting youth, tactically one of the best in the world. He was the one who should have got "full backing" and third season
Understandable if you’re only tenYou are right should be 3 for Mourinho. It is a minor title, but better than nothing. Right now I dream for the days we could win the shield.
No. We lost once the ET started. We were shit after this because of Ole's terrible management of the subs. Villareal looked the better and more refreshed team during the last 30 minutes. This is on our management.We lost on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper.
What a messNot a better job, but better result. Moyes obviously failed to win the 4 big trophies he could have won, but got the Shield at least. Ole has failed to win 11 titles possible that we could have won. So yes it is obvious that Ole has failed more, but Moyes certainly deserved the sack. Ole did not deserve the job in the first place too.
Well said.It all comes down to what you want from all this. I'm fortunate enough to have seen us win everything multiple times over and ultimately a United manager will always be judged on how many trophies he delivers so nobody can really question that Jose has been the most successful.
Like I said though its what you want from all this, and speaking from a personal perspective I'd become very blasé about this club during LVG and Jose's time here. The football wasn't enjoyable, I couldn't really identify with the team and I didn't like the managers - particularly Jose who should have been sacked the morning after the Sevilla post-match interview. The fact that he wasn't was depressing. I'd been raised on a manager that clearly lived for the club and that's more important to me than many other things. I still never missed a game of course but I'd stopped going to Old Trafford.
Ole changed that. Yes being a former player helped but that wasn't the half of it. He bleeds United and expects nothing less from the players too. I like this team. I like what we are trying to do here. People are too quick to throw accusations of sentiment at Ole-backers, and maybe that is true for some, but it also belittles the progress that he has made as manager. One final defeat doesn't change that. I've always been prepared to say his time is up when it feels like we've peaked, but I don't feel that way at all. Even if he doesn't get much further than this, failing at doing something the right way is better at succeeding the wrong way.
This clubs identity is the best thing about it by far and Ole gets that. Its a shame that so many of you don't.
Out of interest, can you elaborate on this further. In terms of doing things the “right way”. What does that entail? And what did Lvg, Moyes and Mourinho do that didn’t fit into the “right way”.It all comes down to what you want from all this. I'm fortunate enough to have seen us win everything multiple times over and ultimately a United manager will always be judged on how many trophies he delivers so nobody can really question that Jose has been the most successful.
Like I said though its what you want from all this, and speaking from a personal perspective I'd become very blasé about this club during LVG and Jose's time here. The football wasn't enjoyable, I couldn't really identify with the team and I didn't like the managers - particularly Jose who should have been sacked the morning after the Sevilla post-match interview. The fact that he wasn't was depressing. I'd been raised on a manager that clearly lived for the club and that's more important to me than many other things. I still never missed a game of course but I'd stopped going to Old Trafford.
Ole changed that. Yes being a former player helped but that wasn't the half of it. He bleeds United and expects nothing less from the players too. I like this team. I like what we are trying to do here. People are too quick to throw accusations of sentiment at Ole-backers, and maybe that is true for some, but it also belittles the progress that he has made as manager. One final defeat doesn't change that. I've always been prepared to say his time is up when it feels like we've peaked, but I don't feel that way at all. Even if he doesn't get much further than this, failing at doing something the right way is better at succeeding the wrong way.
This clubs identity is the best thing about it by far and Ole gets that. Its a shame that so many of you don't.
We lost on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper.No. We lost once the ET started. We were shit after this because of Ole's terrible management of the subs. Villareal looked the better and more refreshed team during the last 30 minutes. This is on our management.
What a pile of bullcrap. Jose had Fellaini because he fecking loved Fellaini. Did you even watch how he was always praising him?1000% he won medals with Fellaini. Ole would get relegated if he has him as an option.
I didn't bold. I just reposted a bolded section of my post that someone else bolded. What I reposted was a fact is a fact now and will always be a fact.You can bold it as many times as you want buddy, it doesn't take away from what those people are saying.
It's still Mourinho for now, but he was a Grade-A prick and I fully agree with whoever said he should have been sacked the morning after Sevilla.
Keep telling yourself that to feel better about a shit loss against a 7th placed La Liga side who did feck all the whole match except defending for their lives.We lost on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper.
But even if that had happened and we'd sneaked it on penalties, it would still have been a shambles of a performance. That's what they're saying.I didn't bold. I just reposted a bolded section of my post that someone else bolded. What I reposted was a fact is a fact now and will always be a fact.
No matter how much people don't like it. If DDG had scored his pen and their Goalkeeper hadn't we would have won.
No we couldn't and Man City couldn't defeat West Brom back in December. Anybody can get a result against anybody in a one off game. It's football. If it wasn't as unpredictable as it is we wouldn't love it as much as we do.Keep telling yourself that to feel better about a shit loss against a 7th placed La Liga side who did feck all the whole match except defending for their lives.
Manchester United couldn't defeat such side in 120 minutes but we're expecting this side to challenge for the big trophies. Makes fecking sense I guess.
You can belittle as much as you want buddy, it doesn't take away from the fact that it's exactly what happened.You can bold it as many times as you want buddy, it doesn't take away from what those people are saying.
It's still Mourinho for now, but he was a Grade-A prick and I fully agree with whoever said he should have been sacked the morning after Sevilla.
This would have been fine if it was actually a one off game and not a series of bottling jobs we have been seeing in literally every cup competition last few years, and even in the last league season once we went up top.No we couldn't and Man City couldn't defeat West Brom back in December. Anybody can get a result against anybody in a one off game. It's football. If it wasn't as unpredictable as it is we wouldn't love it as much as we do.
I totally agree that if we had to go back to a previous manager I would pick LVG over Jose every day. Jose was just toxic.You can belittle as much as you want buddy, it doesn't take away from the fact that it's exactly what happened.
Like, I'd readily agree Solksjaer made mistakes that probably costed us victory, but fact remains we looked more likely to win and lost in a lengthy penalty shootout.
No manager who totally loses the dressing room can be considered our best manager post-Fergie. Even Ole-outers could at least pick Van Gaal, who stubborn and wasteful as he was did at least try to do interesting things.
Who cares? When Mourinho won it, he barely scraped by the mighty Rostov and Anderlecht.But even if that had happened and we'd sneaked it on penalties, it would still have been a shambles of a performance. That's what they're saying.
Did you see the squad under Van Gaal? Are we having more revisionism again?Spent ton of money and left us with the worst squad we ever had.
Pretty much bossed a decent Ajax side in the final though to be fairWho cares? When Mourinho won it, he barely scraped by the mighty Rostov and Anderlecht.
What did Moyes win??I feel it is easy to rate them based on trophies and overall quality as managers.
1 Mourinho (3 trophies, 2 CL qualifications)
2 LVG (1 trophy, 1 CL qualification)
3 Moyes (1 trophy)
4 Ole (2 CL qualifcations)