ArjenIsM3
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So for the championship standings Hamilton gets +3 points whereas Max gets +1 increasing the gap between them by another 2 points.
Makes sense to the Hammy hatersI do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.
For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.
With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
Yeah i'm not having that really.I didnt think Hamilton made mistakes in the final two corners, but its what alonso has been quoted as saying. Yes alonso made a mistake locking up, but i think alonso was trying to say that when hamilton finally got the last two corners hooked up in a way that got him closer to alonso, alonso had to defend more and therefore locked up his front tyre in doing so. Max did something similar to Danny Ric a few laps earlier.
Heres the alonso quote..
“Honestly, I think that Lewis was making small mistakes in the last two corners because he had so much pace. You cannot take eight laps to pass with that pace advantage. In fact, after changing a few lines, he could pass Carlos immediately one lap after. It was not difficult to pass, in my opinion, but he took four or five laps to figure it out, but that’s my opinion.”
https://wtf1.com/post/alonso-says-i...ep-lewis-behind-for-both-ocon-and-verstappen/
Driver | Team | Wins | Points | |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 4 | 195 |
2 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 5 | 187 |
3 | Lando Norris | McLaren | 0 | 113 |
4 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 0 | 108 |
5 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull | 1 | 104 |
6 | Carlos Sainz Jr. | Ferrari | 0 | 83 |
7 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 0 | 80 |
8 | Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | 0 | 50 |
9 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | 0 | 49 |
10 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine | 1 | 39 |
11 | Fernando Alonso | Alpine | 0 | 38 |
12 | Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | 0 | 30 |
13 | Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | 0 | 18 |
14 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | 0 | 18 |
15 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams | 0 | 6 |
16 | George Russell | Williams | 0 | 4 |
17 | Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 2 |
18 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 1 |
19 | Mick Schumacher | Haas | 0 | 0 |
20 | Nikita Mazepin | Haas | 0 | 0 |
Team | Wins | Points | |
---|---|---|---|
1 | Mercedes | 4 | 303 |
2 | Red Bull | 6 | 291 |
3 | Ferrari | 0 | 163 |
4 | McLaren | 0 | 163 |
5 | Alpine | 1 | 77 |
6 | AlphaTauri | 0 | 67 |
7 | Aston Martin | 0 | 48 |
8 | Williams | 0 | 10 |
9 | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 3 |
10 | Haas | 0 | 0 |
I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.I also thank the booing is lame, but just to add that, for Verstappen fans, this wasn't a hard, fun race. It was a disappointing race in which their guy was crashed out of serious contention right at the start because of a mistake by a driver from their main competitor's team.
Also not forgetting Hammy's got a touch of long covid which can effect his mind set? thinking.Yeah i'm not having that really.
Alonso's tyres weren't old, and it clearly wasn't easy to over take as not many over takes actually happened in the race.
Hamilton couldn't get close enough with the dirty air in the last 2 corners, and was never close enough to attack properly into turn 1. When he did then Alonso defended perfectly, pushing him wide knowing Hamilton had more risk.
He had to keep pressuring him and wait for the mistake which eventually came.
He didn't overtake Sainz because he figured something out differently, Sainz's tyres were shot as he'd done 1 less pitstop.
I think people notice them because the camera is on him for massively longer than anyone else. If the camera sat on Mick Schumacher for 90% of the race you'd have more of an opinion about him than you would Hamilton.I do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.
For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.
With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
I told you before why some people may have been touchy about the booing. We were led to believe last week that Max’s fans were some kind of shining light on morales. I honestly don’t give a shit about the booing, but if you saw some of the posts about Silverstone, you’d probably understand why I pointed it out today.I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
Motorsport is not football, and hopefully it stays that wayI'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
When the inevitable Hillsborough and Munich chants come will you be readying yourself to taunt rival F1 teams about drivers that died in accidents?I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
But, it is a sport. Nothing wrong with booing.Motorsport is not football, and hopefully it stays that way
What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.The number of posters on other site that dont know the basic rules and penalties in F1 is shocking.
The cost cap is already in place right? I think if you suffer damage and it isn't your fault the repairs should be excluded from the cost cap and if you need a new engine it shouldn't be counted as an engine swap. If not you get punished twice if someone does a Bottas and torpedoes your car and that doesn't seem fair to me.What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.
Also you can see why Horner is banging on about the financial impact of crashes this year he’s preparing for next years $145 million spending cap, as team who’s car has been wrote off or badly damaged will spend millions repairing it while while the one who caused it might have minimal damage.
Even Toto was talking about the cap and it’s implications on crashes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-makes-big-accidents-quite-a-concern/6362929/
I can see why people boo situations (including when they're announcing line-ups), but booing someone during an interview seems pretty lame to me - even if you don't get a lot of other opportunities in racing to boo someone. (It's not like they'll hear it during the race!) But I'm anyway not into all the partisan stuff, I know that's rare, and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind on that sort of thing.But, it is a sport. Nothing wrong with booing.
Different sport mate. Very different.I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
It's an old rule that comes from teams that used to run more explosive fuel, get extra power and then use it all up so it couldn't be traced.You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.
Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.
Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.
Comical.
Key difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.
Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
Reason being they need to test the fuel to ensure cheating is not going on.You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.
Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.
Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.
Comical.
Too little fuel in the car, potental cheating.You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.
Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.
Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.
Comical.
Yes, I agree with thatKey difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.
Footballers less so.
Totally different culture.
That didn’t happenWasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.
If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
That didn’t happen
There's no consistency at all, same thing when Giovinazzi got a 10sec stop&go for speeding in the pitlane while Raikkonen was only given a 10sec penalty for crashing into Mazepin in the pits and ending his race.You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.
Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.
Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.
Comical.
Is this supposed to be ironic ?Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.
If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.Too little fuel in the car, potental cheating.
Bottas misjudging the wet slippery track is not potential cheating.
2 totally different situations.
What I wonder is why with such an ultra hi tech vehicle there is not a system for warning that the current consumption will lead to rule violation.Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
That didn’t happen
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.
If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.Shame for Sebastian after a solid drive today.
That daft DQ and the bizarre situation with Hamilton alone on the grid shows you that for all the money spent on tech and strategy the strangest human mistakes can still decide races.
A McLaren took out max.Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.
If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
What on earth...