F1 2021 Season
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Based on other drivers taking that corner in the same race. Based on Max knowing a Monza is a Mercedes track and just having had an 11 second pit stop.
Based on Max having "win it or bin it" approach throughout his F1 career.
It's not so much that Max wanted to crash himself. He would've either pushed Hamilton onto the gravel, gone ahead, or crashed them both out. He raced like he has nothing to lose.
Do you even watch F1? Here is a little clip showing just a little of Max's previous "form".
So, some people say Lewis has decided to be too aggressive with Max, to match Maxs style, and is causing incidents. Now you are saying he is not aggressive enough...
I don't know how many times it needs to be explained that the first lap and start of a race is always treated differently to the rest of the race.
It's obvious, but I'll explain anyway, cars are tightly packed together at the start and there is much higher likelihood of collisions.
I agree with that (although young Hamilton was a lot more like Max and he has matured since in front of the media) and the idea that Max went for the move with the intention of taking out Hamilton is ludicrous.
One thing I would say is that Max seems to have got used to other drivers backing out and that's not the way it's going to work when you're in a title battle. Hamilton has backed out quite a few times against Max and didn't at Silverstone which resulted in a crash. I don't think Max has at all really and he has to learn that driving in a car not going for a championship is a very different proposition to the situation now.
When Hamilton is leading into a corner he won't give way, which he would have done 12 months ago. That's lack of experience for Max, but he does come across as somebody who expects the others to move for him most of the time. If he doesn't change this season, I would bet on him losing the title personally if the Mercedes can keep in range of the Red Bull.
I don’t know when you stop calling him young. I also think he’s had enough races and time now to develop. But enabled by RB, he hasn’t got over that inexperience. I hope he comes to realisation over it. I think he is still sufficiently young to learn. But it’s also true he might never.
I don’t see you call out the blatant bullshit by a handful of Max fans or Hamilton haters, though. Perhaps you should just do what all of us try to which is ignore the wildly blinkered posts and focus on discussing with the majority of people in here who can form balanced opinions, even if you disagree.
Only reason he hasn't had more collisions is because everyone usually always bailed and let Max get his way rather than getting hit and ruin their race.
Horner and Max has set the standard at Silverstone, Toto and Lewis are just going to shit bag the whole season and give it to Red Bull just how they dished it out.
It's entertaining really.
Its just great to see so many people talking about F1 again. Best season since the 2012 season? I hope this goes till the last race 
That's just over one per year and most are actually from his first two years. Not the strongest evidence that this is a constant and current pattern with him...
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Honestly with the amount of shite Max is getting on here I don't think I have to call out some bullshit of Max fans or Hamilton haters like you call it. There's plenty doing that, and more, already. Though I have said several times Max isn't faultless. You're right maybe it would be best to ignore the extreme posts, but I'll admit sometimes I struggle to do just that.
Horner and Max has set the standard at Silverstone, Toto and Lewis are just going to shit bag the whole season and give it to Red Bull just how they dished it out.
It's entertaining really.
It is entertaining in a way yeah. But I do fear this short term entertainment might harm the sport in the long run. It's unbelievable how childish they all are. Constantly voicing extreme opinions. Constantly piling shite on one another and blaming each other. Trying to assassinate each others characters. Adding fuel to the fire. It's not just F1 though. Seems wherever in society I look things are getting more extreme. It's proving harder and harder to have a normal discussion about anything.
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.
That is interesting. For me, in this and the Lewis incident, it’s not that he doesn’t have a right to be there. He does, he has every right to try that move. The issue for me is twofold:
1. That if he does that, he cannot expect the opponent to simply back out the move just because it’s him and he’s there. As he has a right to be there, Massa has a right to fight too and squeeze him. Like Lewis did. He can try and do what he did as many times as he likes but he needs to understand that people shouldn’t and won’t just move out his way. My issue with him is he acts like everyone should move out his way in those situations and he hasn’t done anything wrong (like I said he can be there, but doesn’t mean he isn’t being reckless).
2. Linked to the last point above, for whatever reason, be it immaturity or something else, he is either ignorant or he knows that there is a relatively high probability he crashes there and goes for it anyway. He still doesn’t recognise it’s better sometimes to pull out of that and live to right another day. It’s fine when he is an underdog car and has to win to have a chance. But whilst he has a solid car and a lead in the championship, he must learn it isn’t about the battle but about the long war. Maybe he did know that yesterday and the cynic would say he wins more than Hamilton by taking them both out. I’d love to give him the benefit of the doubt for now though.
Oh there is alot more. Look into it, that video was just a snippet.
This for example from 2019.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/formula-1...o-lewis-hamilton-mexican-grand-prix-reactions
Yet more evidence of Max's driving style.
"Win it or bin it".
Yet some will still claim there is not enough evidence.
Compare the race craft there to Hamilton vs Alonso this year. There's absolutely no way you could attack Verstappen for multiple laps and corners and stay on the track. There's a huge difference between aggressive driving and forceful but fair driving. Note, the number of times Hamilton backed out when he knew there was no space before forcing a mistake and the number of times Alonso just gives the space.
Guess I'm focusing too much on cases where it actually went wrong then. That still means the 'Crashstappen' label is wrong though. (Those nicknames are anyway boringly childish - whoever it was that used it in this case.)
chills! literal chills!
Are we sure Lewis didn’t get concussed yesterday? He’s wearing a curtain on his leg tonight
Spot on.
Spot on again. Both are cnuts.
Netflix producers are probably paying max and lewis big bucks to have handbags so that the next season of the F1 netflix show will be lit.
which is why he got a 3 place grid penalty from the FIA? Toto called it a tactical foul - that doesn't come across as him agreeing it with the move in any way.
It's ridiculous how blinded you are when it comes to Verstappen - are you Max???
See this video is a bit different.
Max is already well alongside Felipe before they've even entered the chicane. In this situation Felipe should realise he can't take the usual racing line as max already has the inside, so he can't just turn in.
It's a completely different situation to the one with Hamilton.
Racing at these speeds is a very fine line between being a great overtake or a poor one. I think Max should just hold his hands up and say yep made a mistake with this one, take the penalty and move on.
Lewis has made mistakes in the past like with Albon in Brazil and held his hands up.
Still buzzing from that McLaren 1-2. Wasn’t sure I’d ever see one again
On the Max/Ham crash, I agree with the majority of the posters views on here. A racing incident, with Max more to blame. He has to go for the move, and I’m glad he did as it’s entertaining, but should’ve realised that Ham would squeeze him and he’d end up over the sausage dog curbs.
We see that attempted move year in, year out around that chicane, and more often than not it ends with the guy on the outside going into T1 having to use the escape road or the cars colliding at T2 with a myriad of different outcomes. You really have to be quite far ahead turning into T1 to be able to make the move stick, and even then it’s dicey.
Glad they’re both OK. I don’t agree with the penalty for Max, but I didn’t agree with the Silverstone one for Hamilton. Or indeed the Austria one for Lando or the two for Perez later in that race.
The various noise from both teams & drivers about blame, rights & wrongs is pretty tiring now too. It’s all an attempt to get one over the other and it creates a bit of drama & popcorn-munching GIF type attention, but I’d rather they just shut up & got on with it now. It’s petty & distracting from one of the best racing seasons I can remember for a long long time.
On the Max/Ham crash, I agree with the majority of the posters views on here. A racing incident, with Max more to blame. He has to go for the move, and I’m glad he did as it’s entertaining, but should’ve realised that Ham would squeeze him and he’d end up over the sausage dog curbs.
We see that attempted move year in, year out around that chicane, and more often than not it ends with the guy on the outside going into T1 having to use the escape road or the cars colliding at T2 with a myriad of different outcomes. You really have to be quite far ahead turning into T1 to be able to make the move stick, and even then it’s dicey.
Glad they’re both OK. I don’t agree with the penalty for Max, but I didn’t agree with the Silverstone one for Hamilton. Or indeed the Austria one for Lando or the two for Perez later in that race.
The various noise from both teams & drivers about blame, rights & wrongs is pretty tiring now too. It’s all an attempt to get one over the other and it creates a bit of drama & popcorn-munching GIF type attention, but I’d rather they just shut up & got on with it now. It’s petty & distracting from one of the best racing seasons I can remember for a long long time.
I appreciate the real danger of starting this all again but:
First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
It looks like the wheel unluckily came in at exactly the wrong angle meaning that it missed some of the Halo protections and came up the back onto the helmet. I can see a slight redesign coming there with more protection on the rear angles to keep the wheel above the helmet.
That angle is pretty scary. You can see the compression on Ham’s head/neck as the tyre rolls over the roll hoop onto the halo. Although brief it must’ve hurt.
Definitely will have caused a concussion that, Lewis needs to sit out a few races to be safe.
if lewis has to miss a few races, max should have to miss them as well.Max's twitter posts after the event really sum up the person he is. Just refuses to accept any blame.
This is all good for F1 though, the drama, needle is what makes racing stand out, as the sport always had skilled drivers in my view. A bland season of easy victories is not good for any sport and this one is one hell of a season. I do think the rivalry needs to be cooled down a bit before a serious accident takes place between the Verstappen and Hamilton. Both are incredibly talented and driven drivers who want to push each other to the limits. Unlike a football pitch (like Messi and Ronaldo maybe), F1 has serious consequences and saner heads need to prevail.
Although I can't understand how both sets of hardcore fans think that the other party is vile while their guy is great
Although I can't understand how both sets of hardcore fans think that the other party is vile while their guy is great
Guy lost his head.
The other video of Ricciardo also demonstrated exactly what he should've done. He really is a dangerous driver.