Agreed. I like how Spain are playing and building under Enrique. He's very good coach.This Spain side is making good progress. If they could get a striker.
It's obviously offside according to the rules. Feck Spain though.OK so this "intentional touch" thing seems legit... However also in the rules.
A player is offside when they are :
I don't see how you can't say Mbappe is doing any of these things. His movement is to compete for the ball, this movement then impacts his opponent, who is playing the ball in the way he is due to Mbappe being offside.
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
It is. So the attacking player still benefits from being in an offside position in the first place? Ridiculous.This offside rule is probably one the most idiotic in football, no way that should ever be given as a goal. Madness.
I think it needs a rethink, especially in the age of VAR. Obviously the officiating team got it spot on based on the current laws and directives, but seeing that everyone can understand that Mbappe gained an advantage by being offside, as it forced Garcia to gamble in trying to intercept a difficult ball.This offside rule is probably one the most idiotic in football, no way that should ever be given as a goal. Madness.
So it's confirmed it was onside then.Even Jamie Redknapp thinks the onside call was rubbish. Stuart Attwell. What do you expect.
Goes to show that football "laws" are laughably messy in the way they are formulated.OK so this "intentional touch" thing seems legit... However also in the rules.
A player is offside when they are :
I don't see how you can't say Mbappe is doing any of these things. His movement is to compete for the ball, this movement then impacts his opponent, who is playing the ball in the way he is due to Mbappe being offside.
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
Tell us how you really feel mateand? do you even know football rules?
it is a crystal clear offside. ROBBED.
and the penalty in the 1st half?
it is not unlucky because it doesn't change the fact that it is a clear offside.
IT IS A BLATANT STEAL
i would like to know who is in the VAR because either he has been paid to ROB the final, or he doesn't know a thing about football.
Being in an offside position is not the same as committing an offside offenceHe's offside when the ball is played, he's offside.
If he had put his flag up they probably would have disallowed it.So if the linesman actually does his job and sees it is it offside?
Relax, France would’ve won it anyway. Because they have winners in the team. You could see right after Benzema’s goal that they shift gear.and? do you even know football rules?
it is a crystal clear offside. ROBBED.
and the penalty in the 1st half?
it is not unlucky because it doesn't change the fact that it is a clear offside.
IT IS A BLATANT STEAL
i would like to know who is in the VAR because either he has been paid to ROB the final, or he doesn't know a thing about football.
Yep that’s what I think crazy rule.If he had put his flag up they probably would have disallowed it.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was running into a ball from an offside position. He's offside.Being in an offside position is not the same as committing an offside offence
Blatant steal I agree.and? do you even know football rules?
it is a crystal clear offside. ROBBED.
and the penalty in the 1st half?
it is not unlucky because it doesn't change the fact that it is a clear offside.
IT IS A BLATANT STEAL
i would like to know who is in the VAR because either he has been paid to ROB the final, or he doesn't know a thing about football.
He's not supposed to and VAR would still have made the same decision, wouldn't they?If he had put his flag up they probably would have disallowed it.
What you say "makes absolutely no sense" is the basic distinction of offside rules.That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was running into a ball from an offside position. He's offside.
The laws are fine, their interpretation however, require some basic logic which the VAR ref lacked tonight.Goes to show that football "laws" are laughably messy in the way they are formulated.
He should be in the frame to replace Solskjaer if we can convince him to leave the Spain role.Agreed. I like how Spain are playing and building under Enrique. He's very good coach.
The rule is stupid, Mbappe was gaining advantage being offside. What is a defender supposed to do, take the risk of leaving it.He's not supposed to and VAR would still have made the same decision, wouldn't they?
The rule needs changing.
Their decision is in as per the current offside law which needs fixing.Can English refs finally feck off from the international scene? When will UEFA get it these lot are shite?
VAR was Dutch mate.Can English refs finally feck off from the international scene? When will UEFA get it these lot are shite?
The laws are not fine when they're simply stringing together conflicting statements without a sense of hierarchy or order, as @Annihilate Now! showed in his quoteThe laws are fine, their interpretation however, require some basic logic which the VAR ref lacked tonight.
They got it absolutely spot on. They can’t just change the laws and directives to appease individuals on the Internet.Can English refs finally feck off from the international scene? When will UEFA get it these lot are shite?
https://www.thefa.com/~/media/files...-interpretations-of-the-laws-of-the-game.ashxA player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.
When I read what he quoted, I don't see how the offside wasn't given when I look at it logically therefore I don't have an issue with themThe laws are not fine when they're simply stringing together conflicting statements without a sense of hierarchy or order, as @Annihilate Now! showed in his quote
Only if you consider Mbappe isn't challenging for the ball or impacting Garcia... And I don't see any way the VAR could make the argument he isn't.Their decision is in as per the current offside law which needs fixing.
He was offside, absolutely terrible decision by all of them.That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was running into a ball from an offside position. He's offside.
And that interpretation isn't generally wrong. It's only in this particular circumstance where it's nonsense.They got it absolutely spot on. They can’t just change the laws and directives to appease individuals on the Internet.
https://www.thefa.com/~/media/files...-interpretations-of-the-laws-of-the-game.ashx
You would think so, but that's not the way the rules are applied.OK so this "intentional touch" thing seems legit... However also in the rules.
A player is offside when they are :
I don't see how you can't say Mbappe is doing any of these things. His movement is to compete for the ball, this movement then impacts his opponent, who is playing the ball in the way he is due to Mbappe being offside.
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
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He was offside from before the touch. He was running to get the ball from an off positionThey got it absolutely spot on. They can’t just change the laws and directives to appease individuals on the Internet.
https://www.thefa.com/~/media/files...-interpretations-of-the-laws-of-the-game.ashx
https://www.thefa.com/~/media/files...-interpretations-of-the-laws-of-the-game.ashxWhen I read what he quoted, I don't see how the offside wasn't given when I look at it logically therefore I don't have an issue with them
Exactly. The whistle should've gone before the defender played the ball.OK so this "intentional touch" thing seems legit... However also in the rules.
A player is offside when they are :
I don't see how you can't say Mbappe is doing any of these things. His movement is to compete for the ball, this movement then impacts his opponent, who is playing the ball in the way he is due to Mbappe being offside.
- challenging an opponent for the ball or
- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
Because right after what he quoted comes the quote in @TMDaines post above, and noone can know what supersedes what. It's a mess. I obviously agree with your interpretation, but it's not clearly deducible that the refs were wrong tonight.When I read what he quoted, I don't see how the offside wasn't given when I look at it logically therefore I don't have an issue with them
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