F1 2021 Season
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I’m glad the season is ending, it’s become really toxic. If they aren’t careful it will definitely start to turn people off. I can only speak for myself but the more I see interviews with Horner, the more I dislike Red Bull. I’ve never really been like that with F1. I’ve always had favourite drivers, but never actively disliked teams.
F1 always gets toxic when the championship is close between drivers. That’s nothing new and is quite easy to forget because in the last decade + we have really had one team dominating, first RB and then Merc - bar a season or two here or there. But, what’s different about this and certainly something I don’t really recall, is how that seems to have spilt into the teams overall. I may be wrong but you used to have a sense of respect from team bosses and they generally used to be relatively level headed regardless of the nonsense on track. Horner in particular this year has just taken it to a new low. Drivers like Schumi who were hot heads, even Lewis to an extent, were quickly forced to mature. Max has been in F1 for a long time, and he still shows immaturity on the track. And as much as it is in his nature, I can’t help but feel he would not drive this way, behave differently, and consequently be significantly more likeable, if he had a more respectable team boss than Horner.
Ha ha! I would ask Horner that question. Listen I am not saying it is right or wrong. But I watch a lot of Sky and they have several Christmas videos! Interesting that a Max fan boy picking that one and getting worked up by it. Go figure.
Red Bull being disgusted by that is rather hilarious.
Death sponsoring w*nkers. (The company, not the F1 team)
Death sponsoring w*nkers. (The company, not the F1 team)
I genuinely wouldn’t give it a second thought. They’ve used that crash in promos plenty of times through the season, that’s all it is, a promo. The Red Bull statement felt like a chance to mention he went to hospital again.
They did do that, it wasn't just the Max video. The difference with the Max one was he ended up in hospital hence why it was particularly distasteful
Sky Sports Merry Christmas Monza Edition (streamable.com)
Oscar Piastri picking up the F2 title this morning, his third consecutive title in three seasons. Criminal how he’s not got a seat in F1 over Zhou.
Sky are I think being a it stupid with their Christmas adverts, who ever thought they were a good idea needs to have a word.
i, for one, am looking forward to the merry christmas sky overlay of my grandad’s final moments before the cancer got the better of him and he slipped away. believe in better.
This is it title deciding race weekend.
Looking forward to it.
I think it will be a good hard race, I dont see any shenanigans, from Max or Lewis, they both have to much to lose, seeing lots of talk on other site, that Max will take out oy himself and Lewis , I dont see that happening.
Horner's smear comment is pathetic on his part, Max is doing a good job himself.
Red Bull this season I think have been an embarrassment on and off the track, none more than Helmut Marko.
Toto is no angel, said his fair share of bullshit this season,
I see Lewis winning with Max second and Horner moaning about it and maybe lodging some sort of grievance, but if Max wins then he will have earnt it also, I have said many time I think Max is an excellent driver and will win a few WC.
Looking forward to it.
I think it will be a good hard race, I dont see any shenanigans, from Max or Lewis, they both have to much to lose, seeing lots of talk on other site, that Max will take out oy himself and Lewis , I dont see that happening.
Horner's smear comment is pathetic on his part, Max is doing a good job himself.
Red Bull this season I think have been an embarrassment on and off the track, none more than Helmut Marko.
Toto is no angel, said his fair share of bullshit this season,
I see Lewis winning with Max second and Horner moaning about it and maybe lodging some sort of grievance, but if Max wins then he will have earnt it also, I have said many time I think Max is an excellent driver and will win a few WC.
The amount of times Lewis has had to take avoiding action because of Maxs driving is ridiculous.
Max has been in F1 for 7 years. He is not at the start of his career. Despite his age.
Another talent that got overlooked because he's not come from money, am i right to assume that? Dont know much ab9ut his background apart from he's an Aussie.
Still 20 though.
Red Bull have complained to Sky about the adverts and they have pulled them, rightly so.
https://racingnews365.com/sky-sports-remove-contentious-verstappen-ad-after-red-bull-complaint
https://racingnews365.com/sky-sports-remove-contentious-verstappen-ad-after-red-bull-complaint
Maybe one day you'll understand the sport. At this stage it's like talking with a child.
Totally agree. I'm the same.
Meh, I don’t really have many problems with that promo video. It was an iconic moment and Max’s hospital visit was precautionary and was completely fine.
watching the last bit of FP3 and both Mercs look fast
Exactly, people act as if he was seriously injured
I think they were in bad taste, plenty of other action they could 've used.
hopefully red bull are sand bagging or faster during the race, or tomorrow might turn into a damp squib.
Red Bull and their fans being precious again. Objecting more to a Sky promo video than a brake check on a straight!
Have to be honest, dont take much notice of FP times.
They're running a very skinny rear wear on Verstappen which would suggest they're struggling for speed on the straights. His car doesn't look entirely balanced yet.
Sky should have used Max's brake check, went to a black screen, and writing pop up "slam the brakes on! It's time to prepare for the final race." Or some bollocks.
Both cars don't look particularly balanced. The tyre pressures were increased no?
Sky saying Max is faster on the straights, by a 10th
Simply thrilling season this, can't wait for tomorrow, whatever happens!
I think Red bull learned from their mistake in Jeddah of setting the car up for qualifying in the hope that overtaking would be difficult. Seems to me their setup is very race focused. So while the mercs do have the edge over one lap, I think it will be fairly even in race pace. If true, that would make for an epic showdown on Sunday.
Max has done a trainwreck interview with De Telegraaf. It's in Dutch but I shamelessly nicked a translation off of reddit.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851...t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitter
The title contender who walks around in Abu Dhabi quietly and in anonymity? Forget it. Wherever Max Verstappen goes, the photographers and camera crews are never far away. Yet the Red Bull driver also walks around the Yas Marina Circuit as if all those snoopers do not exist. Focused and relaxed at the same time.
In the run-up to the Formula 1 final, his team keeps away from him as much as possible. In a special Zoom meeting, Verstappen spoke to no fewer than sixty journalists. Then he frees himself from his television obligations only for De Telegraaf time for an exclusive interview. One on one, at the back of the Red Bull Racing hospitality area.
You have been in Dubai for a few days this week. Have you calmed down a bit?
“Yes, I do. I don't have much trouble with that anyway. Everything that happens on the track does not affect my state of mind once I am home or elsewhere. I celebrated my girlfriend's birthday and my sister became a mother for the second time. It was really nice to read those messages and see pictures of the little one.”
The whole of the Netherlands seems to be working on this race and a possible title. Do you get something out of that?
“Of course, I sometimes get something forwarded. It's really beautiful to see. At the same time, I also try not to read too much. That's why I don't get everything, but I think that works the best. Everyone is looking forward to the final, but I approach this Grand Prix just like any other race. I always say, "You can't force things." Everyone knows that I will do my best and that I will always go the extra mile. I realize that people in the Netherlands generally hope I win. That's pretty normal. In England that will also be the case for him.”
You don't pronounce "Lewis Hamilton" and "Mercedes" anymore, I notice.
"That's right. That happens during a season like this. Too much has happened for that.”
Is that because of the race at Silverstone, when you crashed hard after a touché with Hamilton?
“Not just through that moment, but throughout the season. The image I have of certain people has changed. And no, not in a positive way. It doesn't matter to me, it's not that I hate it. But I've seen that when the pressure comes on, certain people show a different face. Then the true nature emerges.”
Do you think Hamilton is afraid of you?
“He will never admit that. At least I'm not afraid of him. Yeah, I think I'll make him nervous if he sees me in his mirrors. He's a different driver than me, less aggressive. He doesn't know how to race like I do. I can't blame him for that either, because he was never able to learn that like I did from my father." An equal number of points for the last race is almost unique. But do you think you are the best driver?
“I think you should be like that if you're a Formula 1 driver. So I say yes, absolutely! But I don't need to hear that from anyone else. I don't need that recognition. I find it much more important what I think myself, and what the people who are close to me think. If I had been in his car, the season would have been decided long ago.”
At Mercedes they characterize you as a super-aggressive driver, who will do everything to eliminate Hamilton. Do they have a point?
“I don't want to take him out, I want to beat him. That's another wording. Some people find me aggressive, others very aggressive and some people don't. I think I am myself. The last games I have to defend more, because we are a bit slower. I don't have the luxury of checking a lead or driving away now. And yes, I do everything I can to win. If I don't think like that, I'd better stay home. If I hadn't had that attitude, we wouldn't be here with an equal number of points. Then he was already champion.”
Do you have the idea that the FIA motorsport federation would rather Hamilton take his eighth world title?
“If you look at certain decisions, at least I don't feel they are on my side. At the last race in Saudi Arabia I am penalized and other drivers don't even have to approach the stewards after a similar situation. Why is it suddenly different for me? With today's knowledge, that blowout in Baku (Verstappen missed a victory that seems certain, ed.) has been extremely painful. In Hungary I was kicked out by his teammate (Valtteri Bottas, ed.) and at Silverstone by himself. I lost a lot of points there.”
“In England he was given a 10-second time penalty, but won the race. Now the FIA is apparently also working on a possible crash, because suddenly it is pointed out that you as a driver can then get points deduction. I think that's ridiculous. Now and then not, as he drove into me on purpose. The hype about the equal number of points doesn't interest me either. I should have been champion by now. Let me say that I have not been happy with decisions that have been made.”
Who, besides yourself, do you wish a title the most?
“Anyone who has contributed even a little bit to this can claim it from me. Of course my father for a huge part. Thanks to him I am here. In addition to the team Helmut Marko and Christian Horner and my race engineer Gianpiero; but actually everyone within Red Bull has meant something to me. The Pex family has also been very important to me in the past. They are also present here in Abu Dhabi. If it would work, I think it would be great for them too.”
The man has lost his damn marbles.
I went into this season completely neutral. I just wanted Pierre Gasly to do well, and hopefully get a great matchup between Max and Lewis. Now I hope anyone named Verstappen never gets near the WDC trophy. Especially Jos.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851...t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitter
The title contender who walks around in Abu Dhabi quietly and in anonymity? Forget it. Wherever Max Verstappen goes, the photographers and camera crews are never far away. Yet the Red Bull driver also walks around the Yas Marina Circuit as if all those snoopers do not exist. Focused and relaxed at the same time.
In the run-up to the Formula 1 final, his team keeps away from him as much as possible. In a special Zoom meeting, Verstappen spoke to no fewer than sixty journalists. Then he frees himself from his television obligations only for De Telegraaf time for an exclusive interview. One on one, at the back of the Red Bull Racing hospitality area.
You have been in Dubai for a few days this week. Have you calmed down a bit?
“Yes, I do. I don't have much trouble with that anyway. Everything that happens on the track does not affect my state of mind once I am home or elsewhere. I celebrated my girlfriend's birthday and my sister became a mother for the second time. It was really nice to read those messages and see pictures of the little one.”
The whole of the Netherlands seems to be working on this race and a possible title. Do you get something out of that?
“Of course, I sometimes get something forwarded. It's really beautiful to see. At the same time, I also try not to read too much. That's why I don't get everything, but I think that works the best. Everyone is looking forward to the final, but I approach this Grand Prix just like any other race. I always say, "You can't force things." Everyone knows that I will do my best and that I will always go the extra mile. I realize that people in the Netherlands generally hope I win. That's pretty normal. In England that will also be the case for him.”
You don't pronounce "Lewis Hamilton" and "Mercedes" anymore, I notice.
"That's right. That happens during a season like this. Too much has happened for that.”
Is that because of the race at Silverstone, when you crashed hard after a touché with Hamilton?
“Not just through that moment, but throughout the season. The image I have of certain people has changed. And no, not in a positive way. It doesn't matter to me, it's not that I hate it. But I've seen that when the pressure comes on, certain people show a different face. Then the true nature emerges.”
Do you think Hamilton is afraid of you?
“He will never admit that. At least I'm not afraid of him. Yeah, I think I'll make him nervous if he sees me in his mirrors. He's a different driver than me, less aggressive. He doesn't know how to race like I do. I can't blame him for that either, because he was never able to learn that like I did from my father." An equal number of points for the last race is almost unique. But do you think you are the best driver?
“I think you should be like that if you're a Formula 1 driver. So I say yes, absolutely! But I don't need to hear that from anyone else. I don't need that recognition. I find it much more important what I think myself, and what the people who are close to me think. If I had been in his car, the season would have been decided long ago.”
At Mercedes they characterize you as a super-aggressive driver, who will do everything to eliminate Hamilton. Do they have a point?
“I don't want to take him out, I want to beat him. That's another wording. Some people find me aggressive, others very aggressive and some people don't. I think I am myself. The last games I have to defend more, because we are a bit slower. I don't have the luxury of checking a lead or driving away now. And yes, I do everything I can to win. If I don't think like that, I'd better stay home. If I hadn't had that attitude, we wouldn't be here with an equal number of points. Then he was already champion.”
Do you have the idea that the FIA motorsport federation would rather Hamilton take his eighth world title?
“If you look at certain decisions, at least I don't feel they are on my side. At the last race in Saudi Arabia I am penalized and other drivers don't even have to approach the stewards after a similar situation. Why is it suddenly different for me? With today's knowledge, that blowout in Baku (Verstappen missed a victory that seems certain, ed.) has been extremely painful. In Hungary I was kicked out by his teammate (Valtteri Bottas, ed.) and at Silverstone by himself. I lost a lot of points there.”
“In England he was given a 10-second time penalty, but won the race. Now the FIA is apparently also working on a possible crash, because suddenly it is pointed out that you as a driver can then get points deduction. I think that's ridiculous. Now and then not, as he drove into me on purpose. The hype about the equal number of points doesn't interest me either. I should have been champion by now. Let me say that I have not been happy with decisions that have been made.”
Who, besides yourself, do you wish a title the most?
“Anyone who has contributed even a little bit to this can claim it from me. Of course my father for a huge part. Thanks to him I am here. In addition to the team Helmut Marko and Christian Horner and my race engineer Gianpiero; but actually everyone within Red Bull has meant something to me. The Pex family has also been very important to me in the past. They are also present here in Abu Dhabi. If it would work, I think it would be great for them too.”
The man has lost his damn marbles.
I went into this season completely neutral. I just wanted Pierre Gasly to do well, and hopefully get a great matchup between Max and Lewis. Now I hope anyone named Verstappen never gets near the WDC trophy. Especially Jos.
He's an absolute bellend. Took that crown from Hamilton 
Is that interview for real? What a catastrofeck.
He's unbearable. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.Christ if that’s real, he’s a disaster waiting to happen.
That started off pretty well and quickly descended into the inane ramblings of a madman.
I mean Lewis is a cringe monster but he has a certain charisma. Max is just plankton. Albeit a primitive life form that’s really good at driving fast in circles.
Regarding that promo video, it is distasteful. If you need to promote the sport, there are plenty of incredible overtaking moves on video or other special moments. Why do they need to show what looks like a crash? It would be like a football advert saying Merry Christmas whilst showing a two footed challenge. There is just absolutely no need to have a crash in the background for any promotional material.
And what's with him not wanting to say the words Mercedes or Lewis Hamilton? What a child