Just came to post this. We are blessed with the politicians we have(!)So liz truss is heading the eu negotiations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59721801
This should be an utter car crash
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Liz Truss and Nadine Dorries now pretty much Boris' 2 most important ministers 
It's fine, apparently we've moved on to someone from Il Divo dying and Liz Truss getting a new job.
On another note there's absolutely no fecking way they can reasonably excuse that photo, even though they will do it anyway (and get away with it because nobody will have a follow up question such as "are you taking the piss?"). But the fact that this photo was taken at the same time that people were being harassed by police for walking their dog in a park, and three days before Boris told people that they needed to be patient and wait for lockdown to ease...and they're all drinking wine in what is apparently a business meeting including the PMs wife who isn't an employee, with fecking WINE...and.
.....right. Here it is. My dad, who lives in Australia, has had Parkinson's for three years now and he's at the point where it can't get worse. He's also had to deal with cancer and liver failure as well, because apparently Parkinson's wasn't fecking enough. But if we weren't at a point where life was still being fecked by this Covid thing he wouldn't still be waiting to meet his grandchild for the first time. He would've been over in May 2020, that got cancelled. Then this year was cancelled twice. Unless by some miracle things get better and he can come over next year, that's probably that.
Anti vaxxers, post truthers, Boris fecking Johnson and his band of "don't give a feck about anyone but me" Tory scumbags. I'm not saying that without them Covid wouldn't be around, but they're not exactly helping are they? feck them, and feck anyone like them.
But back on topic; feck City.
.....right. Here it is. My dad, who lives in Australia, has had Parkinson's for three years now and he's at the point where it can't get worse. He's also had to deal with cancer and liver failure as well, because apparently Parkinson's wasn't fecking enough. But if we weren't at a point where life was still being fecked by this Covid thing he wouldn't still be waiting to meet his grandchild for the first time. He would've been over in May 2020, that got cancelled. Then this year was cancelled twice. Unless by some miracle things get better and he can come over next year, that's probably that.
Anti vaxxers, post truthers, Boris fecking Johnson and his band of "don't give a feck about anyone but me" Tory scumbags. I'm not saying that without them Covid wouldn't be around, but they're not exactly helping are they? feck them, and feck anyone like them.
But back on topic; feck City.
Sorry man, that is rough. Made even worse by the constant piss taking by these lying, immoral self-serving elitist cnuts. feck them all and everyone who enables their vile behaviour
I still don’t get the logic in this train of thought, as much as I detest Boris & Co, why would they deliberately shut down parts of their economy, pay millions more in welfare unless they absolutely had too?
I’m really sorry to hear that mate, hope somehow he can come and meet baby pigeon next year.
Liz Truss getting the Brexit job is a tactical move by Boris just when she started positioning herself for a leadership challenge right?
What better way to ruin an MP’s (already risible) public image than to give them an impossible job?
What better way to ruin an MP’s (already risible) public image than to give them an impossible job?
I did wonder whether the size of the Tory rebellion last week will scare Johnson off from sanctioning tighter COVID restrictions over the winter. I didn't think that there would tighter restrictions before Christmas (he'd have a riot on his hands if that happened), but I thought that his government would consider implementing straight after Boxing Day from next Monday.
But even if they come in post-Christmas, I do think that any move towards tighter restrictions could still lead to full-scale warfare within his own party. Many of the Tory rebels staunchly opposed COVID restrictions last winter during the second wave, and well before any of us had been vaccinated. The irony of many of the same MPs saying that we should ignore the advice of financial experts during the EU referendum, demanding financial impact assessments ahead of implementing tighter COVID restrictions last year let alone this year, hasn't been lost on me. Neither has the irony of those MPs defending the public's 'civil liberties' in the face of such restrictions, while also supporting measures to remove their rights to freedom of movement within the EU, to peacefully protest etc.
I have to admit that part of me is enjoying the fact that many of the same people who enthusiastically supported Johnson in 2019 to 'get brexit done', have become his biggest critics.
But even if they come in post-Christmas, I do think that any move towards tighter restrictions could still lead to full-scale warfare within his own party. Many of the Tory rebels staunchly opposed COVID restrictions last winter during the second wave, and well before any of us had been vaccinated. The irony of many of the same MPs saying that we should ignore the advice of financial experts during the EU referendum, demanding financial impact assessments ahead of implementing tighter COVID restrictions last year let alone this year, hasn't been lost on me. Neither has the irony of those MPs defending the public's 'civil liberties' in the face of such restrictions, while also supporting measures to remove their rights to freedom of movement within the EU, to peacefully protest etc.
I have to admit that part of me is enjoying the fact that many of the same people who enthusiastically supported Johnson in 2019 to 'get brexit done', have become his biggest critics.
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Your mistake is classifying it as logic, it's backwards rationalisation to justify their baseless opinion. Same as Brexit and every other debate these tools are involved in.
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You couldn't make it up ... oh, wait.
I was late getting going this morning and didn't have enough time to go to the gym so stuck the tv on just in time for this bullsh*t. I literally turned it straight off.
Find it amusing that Tories are using the “oh, we were already there and after we had a hard days work, we got the cheese and wine out to unwind”.
You didn’t see nurses, doctors and other frontline staff whom had unbelievably gruelling jobs, having a sit down and glass of wine after they finish their shifts.
Lousy excuse, but it’s the best one they got which tells you they don’t have a leg to stand on.
You didn’t see nurses, doctors and other frontline staff whom had unbelievably gruelling jobs, having a sit down and glass of wine after they finish their shifts.
Lousy excuse, but it’s the best one they got which tells you they don’t have a leg to stand on.
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Yes indeed, there isn't much in what you have said that I would disagree with, except perhaps waiting for the 'collective' electorate to see things your way via education etc. The two most important pieces of legislation in my lifetime (well almost) have been the Education Act 1944 and the National Health Service Act 1946. These two pieces of legislation acted as the catalyst to change the old way of life for millions, we need something 'ground-breaking' or 'breathtakingly' similar now, otherwise we are 'not learning from our mistakes in history'.
Our whole way of life is built on precedent, our law making, our way of looking at things, going forward, etc. but with world wide issues like Climate Change, Mass Migration, Pandemics, now facing us, looking back has to take on a new dimension, the sort that the post War Labour Government saw when it brought in the above Acts following the end of WW2. They were determined to make a difference, no matter how long it took.
However looking around I don't see any current politicians (any party) who could even think that way, let alone act in such ways, it is all short- term thinking. The Chinese think in terms of 30, 50, even 100 year plans, the nearest we have is the HS2 plan (and that is going to pot already!) to be fair to Boris his 'levelling up' agenda is on the right track, but he is the wrong leader to see it through, the Tories will now be searching for someone to take over from Boris, what is Labour and/or the Lib Dems doing... the truth is the Conservatives now hold the ball, and they will move heaven and earth to stop Boris dropping it?
Interesting point about being too backwards looking and needing something a bit revolutionary to change the way we live, work and think. I would absolutely love that and tbh that's why I usually vote Green even though I don't like the "hippyish" aspects of what they're often talking about. And I do think Corbyn would have shaken things up if he'd got in but he was too old fashioned in the way he spoke about it all and conveyed his message I think (as well as being continually character assassinated by the folk with vested interests).
None of the Tories are actually interested in levelling up though. They are the party of austerity, increasing inequality and repressing the poor. And they always have been. New Labour weren't much better but they at least occasionally threw someone a bone. All you can do is vote for change and keep voting for change until someone finally delivers it.
The only purpose of HS2 and Leveling Up were to convince the electorate in the North and Midlands to vote Tory. As soon as it required them to actually put in the money required those 'plans' were revealed a the vapour they always were.
If you genuinely want to know what Tories think, listen to what they say to each other, to the speeches they give to Tory groups and thinktanks and the books they write. What they say on TV and during elections is nothing but puff intended to swing the electorate around to handing them power.
What an abomination she has been. A stain on the history of the BBC and supposed impartiality.
Nothing gold can stay. What a ride though.
But isn't this the problem, the Tories know what to say, the idea of 'levelling up', was never broached by Labour. I live in a rock solid Labour area, (still is). When there is a Labour Government we are always at the back of the queue for any government help, why? Because you could put up a dog with a Labour sign on it and it would get voted in, so the Labour hierarchy bye-pass our needs. Conversely the Tories have given up on ever taking this seat/area so they also put us at the back of the queue for anything worthwhile, in fact they couldn't care less.
Maybe the 'red wall' changes might just shake things up, for areas like ours anything is better than what we have now... please don't even mention the Lib dems!!!
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I don't think that's true in the slightest. I come from Bassetlaw, and that place definitely improved markedly under Blair.
I get so angry hearing this all the time from people in Labour heartlands. You've just lived through a decade of Tory misrule, funding cuts and mismanagement, and yet people think the answer to that is to vote in more Tories. It beggars belief, it really does. How much power do you actually think a local MP has for feck sake?
If it was that fantastic, why is she leaving?
I can't recall. Has she got the Today programme? That rings a bell.
It is remarkable. You might have thought that Boris would be self-aware enough to want to compensate for his own rather obvious shortcomings by appointing a team of highly competent people to do the work for him. Instead, he as accumulated arguably the least talented front bench in living memory.Liz Truss and Nadine Dorries now pretty much Boris' 2 most important ministers
Priti Patel is of course well known for being monumentally stupid, but Liz Truss is on another level. In the past few years I have been independently told by three separate people who have had the misfortune to deal with Truss in a professional capacity, that she is without doubt the thickest minister they have ever come across, completely unable to get her head around even the simplest of briefings, with civil servants forced into explaining topics as one might if dealing with a child or a labrador.
I have sometimes wondered whether it is a bit of an act with Truss, much like Johnson, but it seems she really is just thick. Amazes me someone like her can get to such high positions in government, and is seemingly in with a chance of becoming the next leader of the Conservative Party and potentially a PM!
If you think about in terms of who might be pulling her strings then she's the perfect candidate for next PM.
Johnson's reputation is of someone intelligent but unbelievably work-shy - in his case, the bumbling buffoon act is definitely just that, an act.
Truss is allegedly just thick.
It's not really remarkable though. If you're a power hungry but incompetent leader, in order to maintain power you either need to surround yourself with people who have good reason to go along with you and stay loyal (e.g. family, people you can blackmail), or you need to surround yourself with people too dim and uninspiring to be able to challenge you.
If you think about it Boris tried the first tactic with his brother who couldn't face being tarred with the Brexit brush, and Cummings whose power hungry nature meant he was very keen to stay as the PM's adviser but eventually even he grew to be fed up. He then has gradually moved more and more down the 2nd route by appointing the likes of Truss, Raab, Patel, Williamson, Shapps, Dorries etc to high office. And in fact the whole Tory party is something of a reflection of this strategy as he booted out anyone who wouldn't vote for his shit Brexit deal, thereby removing most of the backbone and remaining competence from the parliamentary party at a stroke.
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Not really a ride. Definition of a 2 bagger.
On a side note and in relation to this, I think that one of Labour’s biggest and most fatal mistakes, was going to such extreme lengths to distance themselves from their record in government after Ed Miliband became leader in 2010. I liked Ed Miliband, thought he was treated shabbily by the media, and wish that the 2015 election ended with him as PM instead of Cameron. But he deserves a lot of criticism for that. The Tories would never distance themselves from positive achievements (or what they themselves considered to be positive achievements) from previous administrations, they would lap them up.
Yes that meant distancing themselves from the bad decisions, notably re Iraq. But it also meant distancing themselves from their numerous positive achievements, such as reducing hospital waiting times, reducing school class sizes, what was in my opinion their best achievement of all significantly reducing child poverty (it’s no surprise that this increased noticeably under the Tories from 1979-1997, decreased noticeably under Labour from 1997-2010 and has sky rocked under the Tories since 2010) etc. Plus they also allowed the Tories to bang the ‘mess we inherited’ drum, and blame them for causing a global financial crash, without defending themselves properly.
Given that Labour had majorities of 160-180 between 1997-2005, at least or more than double what Johnson currently has, I think that they certainly could have achieved more in government. But what they did achieve was still significantly better than what the Tories did either before or afterwards.
Amen
Honestly, I wish they'd have just owned the bad too. They didn't have a choice over the Iraq war. No British government, conservative or British would have done. Own up to the mistake, blame the Americans and move on.
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