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Rozay

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Based on expectation, there is an argument that he is up there. Considering he was regarded as one of the best, if not the best midfielder in the world at the time we bought him. He's been so far off that expectation it's scary.
There’s no argument at all for that to be fair. What percentage of his games since he has been here do we vote him MOTM or in the top 3? A higher percentage than some would think I suspect. Not even close to being the ‘biggest flop in PL history’. We’ve got a bigger one in our very team right now for heaven’s sake.
 

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Absolutely anonymous when he came on. Never seen him have so little impact on a game.
 

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That's really sad thing to happen to him and his family. These people are targeting CL nights all the time now. It's scary.
 

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This is getting out of hand. Few City players and our own Lindelof faced this recently. It’s getting to the point that i think Club should appoint security team to them and make it part of the contract.
 

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you are making 15 million a year (plus any endorsement), and can not afford a decent security team?
 

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you are making 15 million a year (plus any endorsement), and can not afford a decent security team?
The fact this is your first response is awful. I swear our fanbase are paying for being such an unsavoury bunch of twats. It’s a question for another day, most houses have a ring doorbell at minimum I’m sure his gaff will have an element of security.
 

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The fact this is your first response is awful. I swear our fanbase are paying for being such an unsavoury bunch of twats. It’s a question for another day, most houses have a ring doorbell at minimum I’m sure his gaff will have an element of security.
You seem like a nice guy as well.
 

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Horrible pricks. This is definitely happening more often nowadays. The players really need to hire 24/7 security. It surely isn't going to break the bank and will reasurre them when travelling for games etc.

Ronaldo for instance has two Portuguese ex soldiers following him everywhere and acting as security guards for his family.
 

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He’s in terrible form no matter what his apologists say. They are actually fairly quiet for once. On the balance he’s been a very disappointing transfer
:lol: Just had a look at your posts here and Bruno’s thread. Since Pogba came back into the side from injury in feb you’ve made 30 posts….99%% of them negative and now claim he’s in terrible form and are calling people apologists? Bearing in mind Pogba has played well in that time, that’s a weird posting habit.


So then we look at your postings in Bruno’s thread to get an idea about form…..since November you’ve posted about 13 times and half of those posts make excuses for Bruno’s ‘terrible form’ over that four month period. Blaming Ronaldo mostly, the teams form, a lack of runners.

In fact if anyone is in doubt about Bruno’s terrible form for the past 14 months they just need to read through his thread and see how quiet you’ve been in there in that time, read the excuses you’ve made when you have posted, blaming everything and everyone and ‘for balance’ see how giddy you’ve got when he plays well, which will tell you it’s not been very often at all.

As things stand I’d move on from Pogba in the summer, it’s been a pleasure watching him but it’s downhill from here for him at his age. But without question he’s been far better in the last 14 months, far more regularly, than the guy you are an apologist for.

We know this by how quiet you’ve been in his thread and the volume of apologies you’ve made for him in that time.

He’s tired, he’s overplayed, It’s Ronaldo’s fault, it’s Pogba’s fault, it’s Rashfords fault, it’s everyone else’s fault for not running.

Perhaps the last two years are showing that in actual fact he’s just not that good, he’s an individual stat monster but his actual performances 4/5 games are poor consistently as can be referenced in his performance threads. His playing style is having a negative impact on the team performance and most likely his initial impact was nothing more than that.

Even you must be worried, no doubt you will be back anytime he actually performs well to tell us how he’s captain material, but these posts are so infrequent that you can’t ignore how long he’s been terrible for.

We’re a worse team now than before we signed Bruno, that’s not purely down to him but he’s destabilised us with the position he plays and the way he plays the game. We’ve won nothing and look years away from competing for trophies. On balance I’ve no doubt you think he’s been a great signing.

You post so often in here, so negatively, even when Pogba plays well. Finding ways to fit a performance to your agenda regardless, that it’s hardly surprising that you feel the way you do. Yet in the Bruno thread you’re only there making excuses, blaming everyone else or waiting months for him to actually play well and then telling everyone how he should be made captain and is our best player.
 

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I almost put ‘myself included’ in commas, I certainly have my moments but back to you blaming Pogba for his own break in. That was a ‘twatty’ response, no?
It sounds twatty but totally make sense, don't you agree? Especially when he has young wife and kid at home where he travels a lot.
 

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:lol: Just had a look at your posts here and Bruno’s thread. Since Pogba came back into the side from injury in feb you’ve made 30 posts….99%% of them negative and now claim he’s in terrible form and are calling people apologists? Bearing in mind Pogba has played well in that time, that’s a weird posting habit.


So then we look at your postings in Bruno’s thread to get an idea about form…..since November you’ve posted about 13 times and half of those posts make excuses for Bruno’s ‘terrible form’ over that four month period. Blaming Ronaldo mostly, the teams form, a lack of runners.

In fact if anyone is in doubt about Bruno’s terrible form for the past 14 months they just need to read through his thread and see how quiet you’ve been in there in that time, read the excuses you’ve made when you have posted, blaming everything and everyone and ‘for balance’ see how giddy you’ve got when he plays well, which will tell you it’s not been very often at all.

As things stand I’d move on from Pogba in the summer, it’s been a pleasure watching him but it’s downhill from here for him at his age. But without question he’s been far better in the last 14 months, far more regularly, than the guy you are an apologist for.

We know this by how quiet you’ve been in his thread and the volume of apologies you’ve made for him in that time.

He’s tired, he’s overplayed, It’s Ronaldo’s fault, it’s Pogba’s fault, it’s Rashfords fault, it’s everyone else’s fault for not running.

Perhaps the last two years are showing that in actual fact he’s just not that good, he’s an individual stat monster but his actual performances 4/5 games are poor consistently as can be referenced in his performance threads. His playing style is having a negative impact on the team performance and most likely his initial impact was nothing more than that.

Even you must be worried, no doubt you will be back anytime he actually performs well to tell us how he’s captain material, but these posts are so infrequent that you can’t ignore how long he’s been terrible for.

We’re a worse team now than before we signed Bruno, that’s not purely down to him but he’s destabilised us with the position he plays and the way he plays the game. We’ve won nothing and look years away from competing for trophies. On balance I’ve no doubt you think he’s been a great signing.

You post so often in here, so negatively, even when Pogba plays well. Finding ways to fit a performance to your agenda regardless, that it’s hardly surprising that you feel the way you do. Yet in the Bruno thread you’re only there making excuses, blaming everyone else or waiting months for him to actually play well and then telling everyone how he should be made captain and is our best player.
Why do you keep bringing it back to Bruno? He hasn’t been good enough this season either. If he has a few more seasons getting injured and form dropping off then people will rightly say he started off well and then dipped. There’s no favouritism here at all apart from you with Pogba.
 

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Why do you keep bringing it back to Bruno? He hasn’t been good enough this season either. If he has a few more seasons getting injured and form dropping off then people will rightly say he started off well and then dipped. There’s no favouritism here at all apart from you with Pogba.
He’s just not very good at the basic midfield duties like, positioning, ball winning, setting some kind of tempo, always getting back to help out, scrapping it out and dominating his opposite number setting a platform for us to build on and start turning the screw. It’s like pinball in there with both Bruno and Pogba. Been saying it since Bruno came in. They can’t play together. There’s plenty of evidence we lose the ball too much and have a hard time getting it back when they both play. They both lose the ball for fun and are the main culprits
Bruno got the assist at least
Fred fast ball to Bruno has been such an effective pass for us since Bruno has come in. In the modern game you need to be able to put the work in behind to effect the flow of the game and then play the pass forward on the turnover. Against good teams I feel like in midfield it’s a choice between Bruno or Pogba for that AM position. What I would do is play Sancho right and Pogba left in the return and leave Rashford on the bench. Elanga to come on again if we need him.

Never thought I’d say this but we missed McT last night.
I think in our system at the Bruno role he’d still be very good (fitness aside) the thing is with these guys it’s a pretty much a free role and Pogba fitness and motivation wise is not even approaching dependable. For that kind of money, on all balance, we’ve already got Bruno who is just as good aka : prone to go missing in the biggest games but obviously a baller in a team that isn’t very good. Bruno is fit more often, seems more motivated to be here, will only be hitting current Pogba money on his next deal and has shown form. I’d like to keep Pogba on realistic money and see how we can still fit him in too, he’s currently better on the left or as a 8.5 than someone like Rashford but then it’s hard to leave Elanga or Sancho out? Without Ronaldo I think we’d be doing a little better by now on the balance but morale and motivation look shaky either way to say the least.
I think it’s pretty clear only one of Bruno or Pogba should play and I’ve been saying this since the amazing lockdown comeback. It was clear there were problems with balance by the end of that season and it wasn’t a DM. The second midfielder of the 3 needs to be physically dominant and take care of the ball/win it back/move it fast.
Told ye Fred > Pogba for what we need and has been for ages. Bruno is also ahead in the intensity stakes.
These are just posts you’ve made comparing Pogba to Bruno in this thread since his return from injury. Funnily enough it’s roughly the same as the amount of excuses you’ve made in Bruno’s thread in the same time frame.

We get it. You don’t like Pogba. You prefer Bruno. But quite why you feel the need to constantly repeat your agenda ere regardless of performance. I’ve no issue with criticism over the last three games but to come out with....apologists going quiet ! You’ve literally done nothing but make excuses for Bruno or be silent there.

Just pointing out that you’re probably the worst silent apologist on here.
 

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Why do you keep bringing it back to Bruno? He hasn’t been good enough this season either. If he has a few more seasons getting injured and form dropping off then people will rightly say he started off well and then dipped. There’s no favouritism here at all apart from you with Pogba.
He was shite last season too aside from stats. Performance wise from December of last season he’s been regularly poor, as your own posts in his performance threads go. At this point it’s not form dropping off. He had six months of largely top form. Since then he’s been consistently meh with the odd good game. If you don’t believe me skim through your excuses in his 20/21 thread.
 

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6 years of his prime with nothing but two minor trophies to show for it. He's one of the most talented footballers in the world. Feels like such a waste for both him and the club. I hope he moves on this summer.
 

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Burglars are vermin. You might be able to make an argument that those who target business are just a reaction to the financial disparities of the world but those who prey on individuals, feck them., trash tier humans, deserve everything bad in life.
 

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6 years of his prime with nothing but two minor trophies to show for it. He's one of the most talented footballers in the world. Feels like such a waste for both him and the club. I hope he moves on this summer.
He's been a major reason for why it's only been 2 minor trophies in 6 years.
 

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you are making 15 million a year (plus any endorsement), and can not afford a decent security team?
It’s bizarre isn’t it?

The fact this is your first response is awful. I swear our fanbase are paying for being such an unsavoury bunch of twats. It’s a question for another day, most houses have a ring doorbell at minimum I’m sure his gaff will have an element of security.
not really - it’s common sense. It’s completely ridiculous that a person that rich hasn’t bothered to put proper security in.
 

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6 years of his prime with nothing but two minor trophies to show for it. He's one of the most talented footballers in the world. Feels like such a waste for both him and the club. I hope he moves on this summer.
haven’t seen much if his “prime at united”. A good game every now and then, nothing more. He’s very moody as a player and I never felt the club really meant anything but a job for him. Always has his mind, through his agent at least, outside the club
 

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It’s completely ridiculous that a person that rich hasn’t bothered to put proper security in.
No, what’s ridiculous is you acting like you know what security he has in place. If it were simply a case of ‘proper security’ no one rich would ever be robbed surely. The fact you’ve said it’s common sense when that same common sense would tells us all that security measures are often breached in break in is a little ironic. I don’t remember posters blaming Lindelof for his awful situation but this is the Pogba thread afterall. Now jog on PC fergiisgold, gotham needs you.
 

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No, what’s ridiculous is you acting like you know what security he has in place. If it were simply a case of ‘proper security’ no one rich would ever be robbed surely. The fact you’ve said it’s common sense when that same common sense would tells us all that security measures are often breached in break in is a little ironic. I don’t remember posters blaming Lindelof for his awful situation but this is the Pogba thread afterall. Now jog on PC fergiisgold, gotham needs you.
oh come off it - it’s clear his security wasn’t as good as it could have been otherwise he wouldn’t have been robbed. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work that out!

for a weeks wages he could probably have a security team on site 24/7.
 

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shame on you

show a bit of empathy will ya
Well obviously I feel sorry for his family (those poor kids!!). And i'm glad nobody gets hurt. I get a bit emotional when kids safety is compromised. Sorry.

I didn't say that to him or his family (or in their private social media accounts). We're just here discussing things.
 
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oh come off it - it’s clear his security wasn’t as good as it could have been otherwise he wouldn’t have been robbed. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work that out!

for a weeks wages he could probably have a security team on site 24/7.
Isn't that excessive security more than proper security? Who has that kind of security?
 

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oh come off it - it’s clear his security wasn’t as good as it could have been otherwise he wouldn’t have been robbed. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work that out!

for a weeks wages he could probably have a security team on site 24/7.
You could say the same with literally any break in after it’s happened. You don’t just happen on a footballers home, these spate of crimes are well co-ordinated. You’re right in the literal sense as the fact he was robbed means he could have done more but again, that mentality can be used after every burglary.

A Manchester United players house is robbed & multiple posters instead of doing the usual ‘hope everyone’s alright’ want to criticise him for a lack of security we have no clue about. It’s a ‘twatty’ take to make in the immediate aftermath of the situation & I didn’t see anybody making the same point with Lindelof.
 

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You could say the same with literally any break in after it’s happened. You don’t just happen on a footballers home, these spate of crimes are well co-ordinated. You’re right in the literal sense as the fact he was robbed means he could have done more but again, that mentality can be used after every burglary.

A Manchester United players house is robbed & multiple posters instead of doing the usual ‘hope everyone’s alright’ want to criticise him for a lack of security we have no clue about. It’s a ‘twatty’ take to make in the immediate aftermath of the situation & I didn’t see anybody making the same point with Lindelof.
The 'hope he's alright' goes without saying as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Sums up the fluffy man-child like mentality within the team.
Yeah that sums up a lot of our issues, players who are enjoying the lifestyle over the football itself.

We need to get rid and bring in those with a bit more seriousness to their personality. Fergie would have gone ballistic at such actions after a loss and players would know not to do it again.
 

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I'm sure some on here will jump in saying "they're only dancing, lighten the feck up" etc, but if you're going into training after a loss, motivated to put what went wrong right, and these two clowns are dicking about, I can imagine how fecking infuriating that would be.
 

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The 'hope he's alright' goes without saying as far as I'm concerned.
Kind of how the ‘should of done more’ went without saying in the Lindelof thread I suppose. Absolute cretinous take in the aftermath of a break in where you’ve no idea how things happened & what precautions were in place.

Anyway Rooney caught him dancing in the dressing room, there’s something legitimate to criticise him for - have at it.
 

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6 years of his prime with nothing but two minor trophies to show for it. He's one of the most talented footballers in the world. Feels like such a waste for both him and the club. I hope he moves on this summer.
Pogba's tenure at United has been very disappointing overall, I don't think the contrary can be reasonably argued. But I look at the guy in the French national side and the guy I remember from Juve and I can't get my head around it. I wonder if United are so compromised as a club, that the foundations and behind the scenes operations are so shaky that literally anyone who is signed will eventually look like crap?

i mean, which big money signing in the last 5 years or so has been an unqualified success? Bruno looked like he might be for a while, now he's struggling. 4 time CL and World Cup winner Varane has looked shaky. Sancho's stock has fallen through the floor and only recently is he starting to perform. Ronaldo has been mocked. Martial started brightly ('Tony Martial scores again') and now is a banished pariah. Maguire is a laughing stock. Wan Bissaka can't get near the England squad as a Manchester United player. Donny Van Der Beek was given about 3 mintues of playing time before being booted out on loan.

Am I missing somebody who has been consistently fantastic? Please let me know if I'm wrong.

Something is rotten at the club and it seems to infect everyone there. There's no vision, no plan, no blueprint for success. This to me is much more important than quibbling about whether or not an individual player has flopped.
 
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