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Robertd0803

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I dont normally react to footballers Instagram pr nonsense but that shit from Pogbas Instagram yesterday made my blood boil.

Work harder and come back before the end of the season? Theres more chance of me and five random Caf members being selected for the rest of the season than there is of Pogba rushing back for a meaningless end of season game when he can get fit for his next club instead.
 

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I dont normally react to footballers Instagram pr nonsense but that shit from Pogbas Instagram yesterday made my blood boil.

Work harder and come back before the end of the season? Theres more chance of me and five random Caf members being selected for the rest of the season than there is of Pogba rushing back for a meaningless end of season game when he can get fit for his next club instead.
Posting it during the game aswell. Social media crack addicts
 

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Entirely fitting his last game will be a nothing contribution.
He’s probably a pretty nice bloke in general life but absolutely not someone you’d rely on to try his hardest on a football pitch.
I don't know if that's fair.

Yes, of recent he doesn't look interested. But I think he has tried pretty hard in the past.

Pogba at Man Utd reserves
Pogb at Juve
Pogba with France
Pogba at Man Utd II for the most part of his time here pre-Jose fallout

Has been a model professional by all accounts.

You would be disillusioned too if you once were the darling of football, and suddenly found yourself playing with players a level or two below, with no hope of progress.

Time for Pogba to move on anyway.
 

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I imagine he's already in Dubai neck deep in women and clubs. Where his heart is I suspect.
 

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I dont normally react to footballers Instagram pr nonsense but that shit from Pogbas Instagram yesterday made my blood boil.

Work harder and come back before the end of the season? Theres more chance of me and five random Caf members being selected for the rest of the season than there is of Pogba rushing back for a meaningless end of season game when he can get fit for his next club instead.
PR team probably posted it . They didn’t even check to see when we were playing this weekend .
 

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Our fans have acted disgracefully towards Pogba. Once again accused of faking a legitimate injury.
Pogba gets the last laugh on the fans. Leaving on a free.
You're an actual embarrassment at this stage Jeppers. The fact you'd side with Pogba over the club / fans is absolutely baffling.

He really has done a number on
you. Are you eyeing up a PSG kit then for next season or maybe a Juve one?
 

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You're an actual embarrassment at this stage Jeppers. The fact you'd side with Pogba over the club / fans is absolutely baffling.

He really has done a number on
you. Are you eyeing up a PSG kit then for next season or maybe a Juve one?
:lol:
 

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Don't know why you're laughing, your take on Pogba is the only thing laughable here.
It’s delusional to put it kindly. At least he’s consistent. @Rozay gave this up ages ago because he’s a very balanced poster and I’m sure he can see this season has been a disaster for Pogba. @Jeppers7 has gone all in and he doesn’t seem to care that he’s totally wrong and it’s got to the point where he’s either flat out lying to himself or a total wum.
 

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It’s delusional to put it kindly. At least he’s consistent. @Rozay gave this up ages ago because he’s a very balanced poster and I’m sure he can see this season has been a disaster for Pogba. @Jeppers7 has gone all in and he doesn’t seem to care that he’s totally wrong and it’s got to the point where he’s either flat out lying to himself or a total wum.
Pogba aside, it’s a forum lad. A poster having a differing opinion on something doesn’t make them wrong & you right. Difficult to foster decent debate if a poster thinks their right in an opinion based discussion.

Can’t wait for this Pogba drama to come to a close, truly brings out the worst in posters.
 

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I used to think about Pogba like he was a regen of Cantona's image. Now as I think about old Cantona and how respected he is, even now his word holds it's weight in Manchester. Then I imagine Pogba at 55 years, talking about the club. I honestly don't think anyone would care one bit. What could he even talk about to peak some interest? Haircuts, he said she, unfair treatment? Cantona was drama like the Godfather, Pogba is drama like daytime tv soap opera. Such a disappointment this boy was for us.
 

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It’s delusional to put it kindly. At least he’s consistent. @Rozay gave this up ages ago because he’s a very balanced poster and I’m sure he can see this season has been a disaster for Pogba. @Jeppers7 has gone all in and he doesn’t seem to care that he’s totally wrong and it’s got to the point where he’s either flat out lying to himself or a total wum.
It became very exhausting to me, and ultimately, got to the point where I couldn’t wait for it to be all over because both ‘sides’ seem to be so deeply entrenched and the whole conversation is just somewhat toxic.

As for the player, he certainly needs to move on. For his own sake as well as ours, because I do think he’s never been really adored here and now it’s just turned ugly. On the pitch, it’s also been an underwhelming season. There have certainly been good moments, but the player looks a shadow of the Pogba of the first three seasons now, and physically, he’s fallen off a cliff. He doesn’t look fit enough to play in the PL anymore, he can barely run at all, and is not as agile as he once was. Perhaps his injuries have taken a toll.

But to respond to your post, I decided last summer that I had no further appetite for the debate. I allowed myself to get dragged into it a couple of times, but I actively avoid opening this thread when I come on here now.
 

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because I do think he’s never been really adored here and now it’s just turned ugly
He has gotten a lot of chances though. More than most. You could argue if it wasn't for his adoration he could have been labeled a flop really a lot sooner at this club, as many others such as Di Maria or even maybe now with Maguire. It happens all the time but I think he was adored more than most at the club, and was certainly backed when Mourinho got sacked, but maybe the media has not been as kind to him?
 

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Saying our fans are disgraceful like? This is our record signing and he barely tries half the time he’s fit and he’s injured the rest of the time. I agree he was so promising at one point and so much so that every new season was a clean slate for me but to come on here and call him our best and most consistent player is not just nuts, It’s plainly and clearly wrong. Fans are right to be annoyed. Most reasonable posters weren’t saying he’s faking injury or mad to run off to Dubai. Just that he’s been pretty shite when he’s been fit. Fans have every right to dislike someone not putting in enough effort. I have disliked Rashford for the exact same thing and have been quite outspoken on it for well over a year now. It’s not just Pogba but he’s a massive disappointment whatever way you want to look at it
 

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He has gotten a lot of chances though. More than most. You could argue if it wasn't for his adoration he could have been labeled a flop really a lot sooner at this club, as many others such as Di Maria or even maybe now with Maguire. It happens all the time but I think he was adored more than most at the club, and was certainly backed when Mourinho got sacked, but maybe the media has not been as kind to him?
I disagree. I’ve said before, but my recollection, certainly from the caf is from the very beginning there had been a distrust. Even before he signed on the dotted line, there was disbelief that he would want to come here, and most people decided on a scenario that they concluded made more sense to them in that his idol was apparently Zinedine Zidane and his dream is to play for Real Madrid. And because he was actually good enough to play for Real Madrid, I don’t think our fans ever fully took him into their hearts.

For example, players like Carrick or Berbatov were not sprinters/pressers - and it’s not as if Pogba was known to be some sort of Kanté at Juventus, but it wouldn’t take long for conclusions to be drawn that his play was symptomatic of a lack of commitment to the club, and evidence of him not really caring. It was an underlying suspicion that had always been there. I feel our fans were willing to tolerate him, but only on the basis that they thought he was an exceptional player and it could at least be a marriage of convenience and he could return us to glory all by himself. But actually ‘liking’ him? From my recollection, there has always been an insinuation on here that liking Pogba is for a niche group of obsessed weirdos. The default position is to not like Pogba, and when these debates start, it’s always ‘he has his weird tribe of fanboys’ etc. Like, he’s a Manchester United player. It shouldn’t need to be defended as to why you don’t hate him like the rest.

To me, the attitude towards him has been that of a Real Madrid player on loan to Manchester United. Since day one. I’ve said before, but I honestly think a lot of United fans have a huge inferiority complex, believe it or not. Every team’s fans like great players, but the type our fans seem to really connect with are those who are good enough that they are stars here, but not so good that Real Madrid or Barcelona etc might want them. If ever any player like that is linked to us, the thread is full of ‘why would he want to come here?’, ‘only wants money’, but a link to even other PL teams makes more sense. Even with Pogba, the summer he joined many fans felt he would prefer to go to City. I can imagine something similar with say, Neymar. I cannot see a world where Neymar signs for Manchester United and our fans do not treat it with huge suspicion. Or Mbappé or any other player of that standard. Hence we like to make heroes out of Bruno’s and McTominay’s, because these are players where it seems their absolute pinnacle is playing for Manchester United. A Pogba at the time, Neymar, De Jong etc. i just think the cultivation of our club doesn’t connect them to our fans. We like Norwegian kids who surprise everyone by becoming a star at United, which was their childhood dream.

In summary, I think with Pogba, our fans never saw his rejoining as a scenario where he ‘needed’ Manchester United. He was already at Juve playing CL finals, City were interested, Real were interested etc. From then on, anything else, in my opinion, is used to validate - put up a barrier of vitriol, justify any detachment so that when the inevitable happens, we are not hurt or bothered. Because in my humble opinion, even the odd brother or agent comment was nothing that outrageous. Part of the modern game. I read agent comments everyday about various players and their futures. But they were latched onto, and then even exaggerated with Pogba in a way that I am almost certain posters would not have gotten so offended if it had happened with another player. The words themselves were not that crazy. Players like Bailly, Shaw and probably others even here have had agents and family members make comments.

I think with Pogba, this relationship was only ever going to work on the proviso that he was amazing and led us back to glory. Neymar could never get away with coming here and not being exceptional either. However, anything less than perfect, it was always going to be some variation of ‘feck off to Madrid then’, which has basically been the suspicion from the start. So when actual comments came a couple of years in, there was no going back from that, there’s actually something to cling to now.
 

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I disagree. I’ve said before, but my recollection, certainly from the caf is from the very beginning there had been a distrust. Even before he signed on the dotted line, there was disbelief that he would want to come here, and most people decided on a scenario that they concluded made more sense to them in that his idol was apparently Zinedine Zidane and his dream is to play for Real Madrid. And because he was actually good enough to play for Real Madrid, I don’t think our fans ever fully took him into their hearts.

For example, players like Carrick or Berbatov were not sprinters/pressers - and it’s not as if Pogba was known to be some sort of Kanté at Juventus, but it wouldn’t take long for conclusions to be drawn that his play was symptomatic of a lack of commitment to the club, and evidence of him not really caring. It was an underlying suspicion that had always been there. I feel our fans were willing to tolerate him, but only on the basis that they thought he was an exceptional player and it could at least be a marriage of convenience and he could return us to glory all by himself. But actually ‘liking’ him? From my recollection, there has always been an insinuation on here that liking Pogba is for a niche group of obsessed weirdos. The default position is to not like Pogba, and when these debates start, it’s always ‘he has his weird tribe of fanboys’ etc. Like, he’s a Manchester United player. It shouldn’t need to be defended as to why you don’t hate him like the rest.

To me, the attitude towards him has been that of a Real Madrid player on loan to Manchester United. Since day one. I’ve said before, but I honestly think a lot of United fans have a huge inferiority complex, believe it or not. Every team’s fans like great players, but the type our fans seem to really connect with are those who are good enough that they are stars here, but not so good that Real Madrid or Barcelona etc might want them. If ever any player like that is linked to us, the thread is full of ‘why would he want to come here?’, ‘only wants money’, but a link to even other PL teams makes more sense. Even with Pogba, the summer he joined many fans felt he would prefer to go to City. I can imagine something similar with say, Neymar. I cannot see a world where Neymar signs for Manchester United and our fans do not treat it with huge suspicion. Or Mbappé or any other player of that standard. Hence we like to make heroes out of Bruno’s and McTominay’s, because these are players where it seems their absolute pinnacle is playing for Manchester United. A Pogba at the time, Neymar, De Jong etc. i just think the cultivation of our club doesn’t connect them to our fans. We like Norwegian kids who surprise everyone by becoming a star at United, which was their childhood dream.

In summary, I think with Pogba, our fans never saw his rejoining as a scenario where he ‘needed’ Manchester United. He was already at Juve playing CL finals, City were interested, Real were interested etc. From then on, anything else, in my opinion, is used to validate - put up a barrier of vitriol, justify any detachment so that when the inevitable happens, we are not hurt or bothered. Because in my humble opinion, even the odd brother or agent comment was nothing that outrageous. Part of the modern game. I read agent comments everyday about various players and their futures. But they were latched onto, and then even exaggerated with Pogba in a way that I am almost certain posters would not have gotten so offended if it had happened with another player. The words themselves were not that crazy. Players like Bailly, Shaw and probably others even here have had agents and family members make comments.

I think with Pogba, this relationship was only ever going to work on the proviso that he was amazing and led us back to glory. Neymar could never get away with coming here and not being exceptional either. However, anything less than perfect, it was always going to be some variation of ‘feck off to Madrid then’, which has basically been the suspicion from the start. So when actual comments came a couple of years in, there was no going back from that, there’s actually something to cling to now.
I wont get into a big debate as I'm sure you'd appreciate and we've been through this before, but I'll say this. Those generalisations about groups of fans and their treatment of him doesn't ring through for me, and I'm not familiar with that view. It seems like a rather complicated analysis of modern fans and expectations, inferiority complex and all that stuff but you might be onto something. I don't know. What I do know is that football fans by and large are pretty simple. Player kick ball in net, hang up poster for kid, buy shirt. If Pogba delivered even remotely close to what his talent deserved, even the worst type of fan would admit he is good enough to play for teams ever better than us. He has stayed with us all this time, so any fan with a preconceived idea of him becoming a success that would then leave for Madrid like Ronaldo, putting in place defensive mechanisms to deal with that fear and being unfair with him early on, has been disproved in terms of loyalty. Pogba realistically have spent his best years here, nobody can complain about that at the end of the day. If you think that those fans somehow has had an effect on Pogba's ability to establish himself and develop at this club, it's a bit like the chicken and the egg. I for one think a player with Pogba's ability, in a club such as United, has to work really hard to make a mess of it. It's almost unbelievable how bad it all worked out in the end, and you have to say Pogba himself is kinda relevant to that equation. He hasn't been a world class player, good enough for Madrid while struggling to be good enough for what has essentially been a run of the mill top 4 team. Talking about football.. Something went wrong for him in his development, doesn't have to be a personal flaw or anything like that, but somewhere that potential got truly lost.
 

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You've obviously never been to Dubai.
So because there’s a seedy underside to a place you automatically assume that Pogba is involved in it?

That’s incredibly weird, I’m not gonna lie. It’s not like he’s going to Epstein Island, there’s plenty of perfectly fine things for him to be doing in Dubai.
 

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It’s delusional to put it kindly. At least he’s consistent. @Rozay gave this up ages ago because he’s a very balanced poster and I’m sure he can see this season has been a disaster for Pogba. @Jeppers7 has gone all in and he doesn’t seem to care that he’s :lol: and it’s got to the point where he’s either flat out lying to himself or a total wum.
Im not sure what you think has changed in the last week that usurps the last five years and would suddenly make me change my opinion?

Just for clarity I will share my opinion for the tenth time and you can run around every thread on the forum screaming about Pogba and my posts like a jilted teenager.

Pogba, for me, has been one of a handful of players in his time that makes buying my season ticket, rearranging work to go to games etc worthwhile because in a lot of games he actually shows the ability required to play for a top club.

In my opinion he has been one of the best players at the club every season in this time, some would say he should be etc blah, I would simply say he has been, one of. He’s certainly not been great, brilliant, amazing, consistent (the buzzword) but no one has and I’ve already gone to lengths in this thread to show that Pogba has been a lot better than most paint him to have been and as consistently good as anyone.
If a lot of posters felt that was wrong in December, there weren’t many of them shouting and making threads about me then, when presented with facts. There were a few of us last season who were emphasising how quickly Pogba’s good form would get forgotten in the narrative as soon as he had a bad game, again there was a chance to challenge it, it was a running joke for months. A lot of mouthy posters now were very quiet then.

Your posting this last week is endemic of Pogba’s entire time here.
Look at Saturday’s game for example. You’ve got Telles doing something utterly ridiculous on the first goal, then rashly giving away a penalty. You’ve got McT wandering about not closing down, players running off him then giving it the big un in the BT Sport interview after the game, you’ve got Bruno putting in the worst performance in living memory for me in a United shirt, he literally cost us the game along with the ref.

Now posters will say yeah they get criticised too, but not in the same way, not at all. @Rozay has posted a great summary of why, in my opinion. It’s not only fans to be fair. The media have a very weird narrative around Pogba. I’ve never seen a half-time analysis either before or since, focus on a player getting blocked off on a corner (Chelsea away) the entire half-time analysis criticising a player getting blocked off defending a corner. That wouldn’t even get a mention we’re it not Pogba. Or a commentator (Neville) go to vehemently criticise a player for losing his man on a goal (West Ham away last season) then realise it wasn’t Pogba, it was an actual defender who lost his man……and just shut up. Or be accused of treason ! For taking a penalty, when he was the penalty taker. Bruno lost the ball on the edge of his own box on Saturday (then missed a penalty), just like he did against Leeds this season, Leicester last season amongst others, he doesn’t get highlighted on MOTD etc, rightly so to be fair it happens in football especially when you’re having a mare. Pogba though gets criticised and critiqued, singled out in the media if he loses the ball on halfway (Wolves) or in the opponent’s half (Palace) if he’s surrounded and gets tackled (World Cup) on halfway even when in all of these games he’s been outstanding.
That to me isn’t fair, it’s unjustified criticism and way over the top. It’s led to this narrative where Pogba is blamed for everything and for the state of United.

Yourself as a poster I think you need to accept that others hold a different view, they just don’t post it in every single thread on the Caf like you do.

It is weird that some people feel so strongly about anyone who has not jumped in on Pogba, who have appreciated his performances and the player he is. I’ve given reasons and presented facts at times. Posters like yourself and @Pogue Mahone have got to ridiculous lengths, like criticising Pogba when he’s played well, but results have been poor. You’ve both been in here trying to tie results to Pogba regardless of his performance. To be fair you’d only need to look at Pogue’s posts the season Pogba was top scorer, assister and top of every metric chart for us. Tens of posts trying to discredit the same metrics he will use to justify another player. It’s utter hypocrisy. @Pogue Mahone was in another thread this weekend saying he darent go into the Bruno thread after the Arsenal game, and while I get that, to some extent, I’m less likely to be rushing into this thread when Pogba has a mare because you know that the usual suspects will be hammering him….BUT if you’re going to rush in here anytime Pogba plays badly….don’t disappear for months when he plays well. Or if you’re going to come in here even when Pogba plays well and criticise him for the rest of the team’s performance then don’t stay out of Bruno’s thread for months when he’s playing shite and return when he’s had a good game to tell everyone he’s our best player.

I’ve defended Pogba on the basis of fairness. I’ll go into McT thread when he has a good game and give credit. Or Fred’s. There’s been games this season where Bruno has been getting criticised but I’ve felt he played well, and I’ve said so. The opposite also, like Atalanta at home. There’s a large bunch of strange individuals like yourself, @Nou_Camp99 and many more that have singled Pogba out in a vacuum. That will criticise him massively for something they wouldn’t think twice of doing for another player.

Saturdays game is such a blatant example, imagine if Pogba had missed the penalty doing THAT stupid run up (all about him, selfish, doesn’t care etc) moaned at his team mates all game for his own mistakes (toxic) then lost the ball on the edge of his box doing something stupid (get the f*ck out of my club etc) this thread would be in meltdown. Just like it has been with irrational comments when the guy is injured. Your post on this is ridiculous, I’m confident in saying you have posted that he’s faked injuries or alluded to it, criticised his recovery when it’s common practice etc….the fecking guy had to post videos of himself pre and post op. That isn’t a handful of fans that cause that.

So one last time I will explain it in simple terms :-

Our fans have treated Pogba unfairly, massively so, in my opinion….then expect him to value them.

Pogba, performance wise over his five years I’d give him a 5.5 overall, would be a bit higher if not for the ‘fake’ injuries, with the caveat that he’s been worth watching. He’d be in my top five players in that time. I wouldn’t want us to sign him on an extension at this point, his legs are going and would be an actual problem for us in the coming years.

This is a long post, hopefully for me and for all the irrational posters that make threads about me for not hating a player obsessively, it will be my last in here.
 
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I really like Pogba and it's always disappointing to think about how ineffective he's been at his time at United. I do think there's a truly world class player there, he has been for France over the years, but he's frustrating to watch.

The next decision is a hard one. Do you cut your losses and let him go, or do you give another manager a chance to get the best out of him? If it doesn't work, it's a disaster - an expensive one - but if it does work and you can fit him into the team in a role which gets the best out of him, he's one of the best midfielders in the league.
 

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Dubai is one of the best places in the world for the very rich, doubly so if you are muslim which Pogba is. Also very strange that Pogba who by all accounts is a religious family man would be accused of going there for clubs and women.
For what it's worth i agree with Jeepers and Rozay on the Pogba situation too. The media have had a field day using his name to generate hits and clicks, best for both parties to move on now.
 

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You've obviously never been to Dubai.
You've obviously misunderstood that he's a muslim who has been fasting due to his religion. You've also obviously gone to Dubai for very different reasons than the majority of people go there. I highly doubt he would be deep into women and clubs during that time.
 

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You've obviously misunderstood that he's a muslim who has been fasting due to his religion. You've also obviously gone to Dubai for very different reasons than the majority of people go there. I highly doubt he would be deep into women and clubs during that time.
Yeah sure mate. Like footballers go to Vegas for the interesting architecture.
 

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Yeah sure mate. Like footballers go to Vegas for the interesting architecture.
Plenty of people go to Dubai though, and not for women and clubs.
Its just a strange comment to base peoples motivations based on your own and your peers/friends/circle
 

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I imagine he's already in Dubai neck deep in women and clubs. Where his heart is I suspect.
Come on. The general consensus is that Pogba should go but to slur his character with these sort of accusations when there's absolutely no evidence for it is crossing the line.
 

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I imagine he's already in Dubai neck deep in women and clubs. Where his heart is I suspect.
Tbh this comment is pretty disgusting and based on feck all. When has he had any controversies with women, or with clubs, or partying? Pogba is married and has a family and has never had any controversies regarding his family life. Pogba is a very religious Muslim, it is Ramadan, which means he is fasting every day. He doesn't drink as he is a very religious Muslim.

What possible reason could you have to claim he's out going after women and clubs? Its closer to being a blatantly racist stereotype than anything else.

It's ok to not like Pogba the footballer. It's ok to think he isn't committed to the football club as it hasn't been a happy relationship since he joined. He's also very injury prone. But why the feck do you attack his personal character of which there has never been any problems?
 

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I imagine he's already in Dubai neck deep in women and clubs. Where his heart is I suspect.
Says more about you than it does Pogba.

This is the kind of comments people talk about when referring to Pogba and unfair criticism. Commenting on his performances on the pitch is absolutely fair but making shite up about him as a person is out of order.

The agenda against Pogba is hilariously transparent.
 

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I wont get into a big debate as I'm sure you'd appreciate and we've been through this before, but I'll say this. Those generalisations about groups of fans and their treatment of him doesn't ring through for me, and I'm not familiar with that view. It seems like a rather complicated analysis of modern fans and expectations, inferiority complex and all that stuff but you might be onto something. I don't know. What I do know is that football fans by and large are pretty simple. Player kick ball in net, hang up poster for kid, buy shirt. If Pogba delivered even remotely close to what his talent deserved, even the worst type of fan would admit he is good enough to play for teams ever better than us. He has stayed with us all this time, so any fan with a preconceived idea of him becoming a success that would then leave for Madrid like Ronaldo, putting in place defensive mechanisms to deal with that fear and being unfair with him early on, has been disproved in terms of loyalty. Pogba realistically have spent his best years here, nobody can complain about that at the end of the day. If you think that those fans somehow has had an effect on Pogba's ability to establish himself and develop at this club, it's a bit like the chicken and the egg. I for one think a player with Pogba's ability, in a club such as United, has to work really hard to make a mess of it. It's almost unbelievable how bad it all worked out in the end, and you have to say Pogba himself is kinda relevant to that equation. He hasn't been a world class player, good enough for Madrid while struggling to be good enough for what has essentially been a run of the mill top 4 team. Talking about football.. Something went wrong for him in his development, doesn't have to be a personal flaw or anything like that, but somewhere that potential got truly lost.
My post mentioned nothing about wherever anyone would like to draw his success as a player. I said our fans never took to him from the beginning, and they haven’t, not to me. You may think certain things are absolutes, but I don’t think they are at all. Perception is everything. Performances are to be interpreted, and they are naturally interpreted from the vantage point of how a player is viewed. For example, one poster may well accept no ‘excuse’ for what they consider to be a below par Pogba performance. The same poster may then go and make an excuse for a poor Bruno one. On the flip, the same poster may be a bit ‘pfft’ and reserved in praise after a good performance, in fact, they may even prefer to focus on something that wasn’t perfect. Maybe praise would be more effusive for a player they ‘like’. It happens with all of us.

Anyway, without wanting to ramble, I think fans never saw Pogba as one of ours. I think at the beginning of his return, that had nothing to do with him, more to do with the complex I mentioned. After that, he began to contribute to it himself with some comments attributed, which in and of themselves, would not have been that deep at all IMO if they did not come from him. We had a mega thread 3 seasons ago full of ‘I hope he never plays for us again’ predicated on an open dialogue about how he has faked an injury. This is after a period where, if we are talking about a player kicking a ball into the net, as you put it, it would be hard to argue that Pogba wasn’t our best player, or at the very least, amongst our best. He was also very distrusted and disliked. I was focusing on that almost exclusively in my previous post, as that is what the conversation was about when you mentioned how our fans gave him several chances.

The football side has been mixed, but the ill will would paint a picture that it has been a total disaster, which isn’t the truth. I don’t know if there is an easy way to do it, but I suspect that if we look at the caf MOTM awards for every game Pogba has started in his entire 6 years here, he is actually, as voted by the people, in the top 3 for a large percentage. It’s just that it doesn’t take long to descend to the base level of negativity, 3-5 poorer games would do it typically. He’s been hugely unpopular, and anyone who doesn’t share that unpopularity has always been someone to sneer at and label some sort of acolyte. The reasons for that, you can hold an opinion on, I’m just saying that I disagree with the fans always backing him. I remember the conversations on here from not only his first season, but even before he signed.
 

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What possible reason could you have to claim he's out going after women and clubs? Its closer to being a blatantly racist stereotype than anything else.
Racist? Seriously?

What's wrong with clubs and women? Don't be so judgmental and misogynist. They are part of what makes life worth living.

For the avoidance of doubt I have no idea why Pogba likes Dubai so much. But he sure seems to prefer it to Manchester.
 

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I've never understood the obsession with Dubai, I went there on honeymoon and it was shit. Pretentious, 50 c heat and dirty old feckers looking your misses up and down every 2 minutes.

I wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire.
 
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