F1 2022 Season

[klsv]

Protest dismissed as Max indeed had part of the left tyres on/over the line, but most of the left tyres on the right side of the yellow line.

Kind of like when you have part of the lapped cars unlap themselves behind SC

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Do you think the regulations have allowed these cars to be too wide?

Would it be possible to restruct car width in future?

 

[One Night Only]

Protest dismissed as Max indeed had part of the left tyres on/over the line, but most of the left tyres on the right side of the yellow line.

Kind of like when you have part of the lapped cars unlap themselves behind SC

The incompetence is quite amazing tbh

 

[TheReligion]

When did Coulthard get all the surgery done?

 

[F-Red]

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[The Firestarter]

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[pauldyson1uk]

Protest dismissed as Max indeed had part of the left tyres on/over the line, but most of the left tyres on the right side of the yellow line.

Kind of like when you have part of the lapped cars unlap themselves behind SC

 

[hp88]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/f...- Decision - Protest lodged against Car 1.pdf

You can't make this shit up

The Race Director stated: That Article 5 of Appendix L of the ISC had changed from 2021 to 2022. That the Notes were a “cut and paste” from the 2021 version of the Notes and hence had not been changed to reflect the 2022 Appendix L changes

 

[hellhunter]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Decision - Protest lodged against Car 1.pdf

You can't make this shit up

The Race Director stated: That Article 5 of Appendix L of the ISC had changed from 2021 to 2022. That the Notes were a “cut and paste” from the 2021 version of the Notes and hence had not been changed to reflect the 2022 Appendix L changes

Of course

 

[Adam-Utd]

Even with Alonso backing off mid race Lewis couldn't make anything happen with probably 4 seconds lap time available in his car.

Wouldn't be against an extension to the lap somewhere.

people don’t seem to understand this.

Alonso can go as slow as he likes in certain sections of the track as you literally cannot fit 2 cars into some parts. In the important zones he used full power/traction to make sure he wasn’t easy to overtake.

Just because Alonso was driving slow purposely didn’t mean it was easy for Hamilton to overtake, especially in dry conditions.

As you say, Monaco needs a joker lap. It’s the only way to keep it interesting in the future especially with these giant cars.

 

[Adam-Utd]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Decision - Protest lodged against Car 1.pdf

You can't make this shit up

The Race Director stated: That Article 5 of Appendix L of the ISC had changed from 2021 to 2022. That the Notes were a “cut and paste” from the 2021 version of the Notes and hence had not been changed to reflect the 2022 Appendix L changes

seems like they literally can

changing the rules as they go along! ridiculous

 

[VorZakone]

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What does he mean?

 

[klsv]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Decision - Protest lodged against Car 1.pdf

You can't make this shit up

The Race Director stated: That Article 5 of Appendix L of the ISC had changed from 2021 to 2022. That the Notes were a “cut and paste” from the 2021 version of the Notes and hence had not been changed to reflect the 2022 Appendix L changes

Christ

What does he mean?

Looks like he was talking about a contract extension with RB and saying he signed it too early (before the win today).

 

[Adam-Utd]

What does he mean?

probably didn’t put a win bonus in his contract or something silly like that, just a bit of messing about

 

[dinostar77]

The TV directors so far this season have been really bad, it's as if they don't understand Formula 1 at all

Monaco is the only circuit in the calender where the FIA dont control the tv broadcast, the principality does.Thats why its so awful every year. Its one of the sticking points of a monaco renewal, FIA want control of the broadcasting as its not up to par.

 

[dinostar77]

Finally got to watch the GP in its entirety. Hats off to ferrari for torpedoeing leclerc's championship chances again.

Good for checco to win a race.

Pretty disgusted at alpine and alonso, driving as slowly as possible, just to hold onto 7th on a track where passing is all but impossible. Shameful for a 2 x WC. Also Alpine shot themselves in the foot and dropped the WC points Ocon might of got if Alonso hadn't of driven so slowly.

Monaco is garbage and need a revamp of the track somehow or removing off the calender. We could have carried out for another 1 million laps and the top four barring a collosal mistake would have remained the same.

 

[slyadams]

Binotto stated they were told quite clearly the requirements were you couldn’t touch the pit exit line and that’s why they protested. Seems like he wasn’t told about the FIA’s Max Exemptions. It’s pathetic and shows they’ve learned nothing from last season.

Edit: having read the decision the RD’s notes were wrong. What a shitshow.

 

[VorZakone]

Binotto stated they were told quite clearly the requirements were you couldn’t touch the pit exit line and that’s why they protested. Seems like he wasn’t told about the FIA’s Max Exemptions. It’s pathetic and shows they’ve learned nothing from last season.

Edit: having read the decision the RD’s notes were wrong. What a shitshow.

"Max exemptions"

 

[Zarlak]

Ferrari are a joke, Leclerc can literally do nothing more he's blazing qualifying and leading the races and his car either fails or his team feck him over.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

So.. why is everyone on here getting worked up about the verdict? Max got his tyre on the yellow line, is that a big deal? He lost grip a bit in the wet, still didn't fully cross the line having his tyre on it and hardly gained any advantage unlike the plethora of drivers (like Sainz) who completely missed the chicane when under pressure from another driver. What am I missing here?

 

[Abizzz]

Same shit different year. They might aswell call it the "Let max do anything formula" at this point

 

[ChaddyP]

So.. why is everyone on here getting worked up about the verdict? Max got his tyre on the yellow line, is that a big deal? He lost grip a bit in the wet, still didn't fully cross the line having his tyre on it and hardly gained any advantage unlike the plethora of drivers (like Sainz) who completely missed the chicane when under pressure from another driver. What am I missing here?

Told my wife nothing would come of it as its a huge nothing burger especially when it happens in the wet.

But everyone likes a conspiracy. Max fans think Mercedes was fia favourite last year, now this year they probably think its ferrari, ferrari fans will say red bull are always getting their way with fia.. Merc fans will think Michael masi is still pulling the strings as a puppet master and guiding max to his second championship. Happens in every sport.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Told my wife nothing would come of it as its a huge nothing burger especially when it happens in the wet.

But everyone likes a conspiracy. Max fans think Mercedes was fia favourite last year, now this year they probably think its ferrari, ferrari fans will say red bull are always getting their way with fia.. Merc fans will think Michael masi is still pulling the strings as a puppet master and guiding max to his second championship. Happens in every sport.

Last seasons outcome may have something so to do with F1 fans being suspicious of yet another decision that benefits him.

 

[slyadams]

So.. why is everyone on here getting worked up about the verdict? Max got his tyre on the yellow line, is that a big deal? He lost grip a bit in the wet, still didn't fully cross the line having his tyre on it and hardly gained any advantage unlike the plethora of drivers (like Sainz) who completely missed the chicane when under pressure from another driver. What am I missing here?

Because there are rules, bending the rules based on the situation is what happened in Abu Dhabi and it made the sport a laughing stock.

Max didn't "lose grip", he was pressing to come out ahead of the Ferraris and came across the track to close the door and gained a massive advantage. You can't speed in the pitlane and claim "oh, it was wet and I couldn't brake in time", the rules were changed this year from "touching the line" to having an entire tyre over the line, but the RD sent out notes with the old rules and that's why it was protested. If the rules hadn't been changed he should have received a penalty. You don't get to claim "I broke a rule, but didn't get an advantage so we're good right?" or "I broke a rule, but its wet so all good, right?". The Stewards will take weather into account in situations of collisions etc., but not in the case of crossing lines, speeding, cutting corners etc.

 

[hobbers]

Max didn't "lose grip", he was pressing to come out ahead of the Ferraris and came across the track to close the door and gained a massive advantage. You can't speed in the pitlane and claim "oh, it was wet and I couldn't brake in time", the rules were changed this year from "touching the line" to having an entire tyre over the line, but the RD sent out notes with the old rules and that's why it was protested. If the rules hadn't been changed he should have received a penalty. You don't get to claim "I broke a rule, but didn't get an advantage so we're good right?" or "I broke a rule, but its wet so all good, right?". The Stewards will take weather into account in situations of collisions etc., but not in the case of crossing lines, speeding, cutting corners etc.

Yeh what a massive advantage he gained. Come on, get real.

The rules were changed and the RD notes didn't reflect the new rules. That's the RD's fault not Max's or the stewards. He followed the new rules and so did the stewards in not penalising him.

 

[matherto]

Do you think the regulations have allowed these cars to be too wide?

Would it be possible to restruct car width in future?

They both are and aren’t.

Historically they increased car width back to 2m in 2017 having been 1.8m since 1998 which resulted in hugely long but narrow cars that looked so ungainly and unwieldy.

They look much, much better being wide and squat again.

But it does mean they too big for Monaco, which they probably have been since 1970ish.

Main thing for me is they’re 5m long. Far, far too long.

 

[The Firestarter]

They both are and aren’t.

Historically they increased car width back to 2m in 2017 having been 1.8m since 1998 which resulted in hugely long but narrow cars that looked so ungainly and unwieldy.

They look much, much better being wide and squat again.

But it does mean they too big for Monaco, which they probably have been since 1970ish.

Main thing for me is they’re 5m long. Far, far too long.

5m is basically a full size roadcar , kind of incredible really.

 

[matherto]

5m is basically a full size roadcar , kind of incredible really.

A large full size road car to boot, 5 series/A6/E Class length roughly.

 

[The Firestarter]

A large full size road car to boot, 5 series/A6/E Class length roughly.

Yeah I am kind of bemused how this current state was reached, since the actual production sporty coupes like 911, 8 series, 4 series etc. are obviously short in length.

 

[matherto]

Yeah I am kind of bemused how this current state was reached, since the actual production sporty coupes like 911, 8 series, 4 series etc. are obviously short in length.

It’s in part due to the requirement of space for the legs before the front axles to stop encroachment into the pedal area and protect the drivers and in part due to the PU, albeit the packaging of the PU’s are engineering marvels really.

 

[senorgregster]

The rule change makes sense after what Horner said. He seemed pretty confident.

Either the cars or Monaco (and a few other tracks) have to change. What an awful event that was. Happy for Perez though.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Because there are rules, bending the rules based on the situation is what happened in Abu Dhabi and it made the sport a laughing stock.

Max didn't "lose grip", he was pressing to come out ahead of the Ferraris and came across the track to close the door and gained a massive advantage. You can't speed in the pitlane and claim "oh, it was wet and I couldn't brake in time", the rules were changed this year from "touching the line" to having an entire tyre over the line, but the RD sent out notes with the old rules and that's why it was protested. If the rules hadn't been changed he should have received a penalty. You don't get to claim "I broke a rule, but didn't get an advantage so we're good right?" or "I broke a rule, but its wet so all good, right?". The Stewards will take weather into account in situations of collisions etc., but not in the case of crossing lines, speeding, cutting corners etc.

Right, so Max didn't actually do anything wrong but the race director made an error. Missed that bit. Cheers.

 

[slyadams]

Yeh what a massive advantage he gained. Come on, get real.

The rules were changed and the RD notes didn't reflect the new rules. That's the RD's fault not Max's or the stewards. He followed the new rules and so did the stewards in not penalising him.

He literally gained a place.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

He literally gained a place.

He gained that place by pitting at the right time and having a superior strategy. If he had gonethrough that corner 5 km/h slower and not touched the line he'd still have come out ahead. So no, he didn't gain a place by touching the line. And as someone just explained above, he was allowed to do that. Apparently it was the race director who made a mistake.

 

[Gringo]

Weird. Grew up with the sport when even touching it was deemed to be a major no no and given a drive through penalty.

 

[rimaldo]

typical max fan boys. if you watch the footage properly you’ll notice a helpless kitten on the left hand side of the track. verstappen, desperate to win, but desperate equally as desperate to squash the kitten, violently swerved towards the kitten in an attempt to squish it, before horner came on the radio and told him to focus on bringing home third place. after all, he had kittens back in the rv that he and max could stamp on later. all the while perez drove around rascasse, whistling la cucaracha.

 

[rimaldo]

Weird. Grew up with the sport when even touching it was deemed to be a major no no and given a drive through penalty.

as people have mentioned a million times before, the fia are desperate to have a white man at the top of the all time driver standings. unfortunately max is the best hope for that but he’s unable to drive within the lines, hence forcing other drivers off the track and exceeding pit limits, they have to let him get away with it though as it’s the only way they can fulfil their race hate requirements.

 

[Leg-End]

Can’t even be arsed to get into why that decision is funny but surely this yet again shows the incompetence of the FIA, can’t even get their own rule book in order.

 

[YzWayne]

If a ball is two feet inside the goal post, can people bend the rules too saying it was raining wet and should not have counted? Some posters here are having a mare here. Gone are the days when rules are rules.

 

[Adam-Utd]

We should probably be throwing the shit at Ferrari this time anyway, they had a 1-2 at Monaco and still managed to mess it up.

Pretty disgusted at alpine and alonso, driving as slowly as possible, just to hold onto 7th on a track where passing is all but impossible. Shameful for a 2 x WC. Also Alpine shot themselves in the foot and dropped the WC points Ocon might of got if Alonso hadn't of driven so slowly.

Monaco is garbage and need a revamp of the track somehow or removing off the calender. We could have carried out for another 1 million laps and the top four barring a collosal mistake would have remained the same.

I'm actually glad Alonso did what he did. I think he wanted to prove a point that Monaco in it's current format is a joke.

You can literally drive around as slow as you want in certain sections, as long as you accelerate properly into the tunnel and the main pit straight you have zero chance of being overtaken.

Could he have pushed harder? sure, but what was the point? he wasn't going to overtake Norris, might as well look after the engine and gearbox.

It makes me cringe so hard when they roll out the 'crown in the jewel' line about Monaco they try so hard to make it seem special.

So many things could be done there to make it exciting again, but I doubt we will ever see changes unless people stop turning up/tuning into it.