[RedPed]

Maguires biggest claim to a starting spot is being fit and available 95% of the time. I don't think he is bad but he isn't top class either. Currently however he is pretty much the only player we can build a defence around and not have to wholesale change the CB pairing every game.

Is that really the justification that a club like Man United should be using for team selection, especially when they're aiming to get back on top? Look at how ruthless City have been in chopping and changing to improve their squad. They don't 'make do' or wait for years. They just move players on and go again.

United's undoing has been persevering with average and less than average players like Maguire for too long instead of being ruthless in the market. If Maguire is as good as some are claiming on here, we would have no problem moving him on.

 

[izak]

I see we are trying our best to paint him good again, by pointing out his defending against the likes of Watkins as any good, I'll rather wait till the EPL starts and we play against more competitive opponents before I can't get the many bad performance of last season he produced out of my head.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Can you please highlight which mistakes these are. This is pure bullshit. This is what an agenda looks like.

Rather than asking a poster to spend 30 minutes typing out all 16 mistakes you could very easily find the article she linked on google.

 

[Mcking]

I see we are trying our best to paint him good again, by pointing out his defending against the likes of Watkins as any good, I'll rather wait till the EPL starts and we play against more competitive opponents before I can't get the many bad performance of last season he produced out of my head.

Against the likes of Watkins?

 

[romufc]

Rather than asking a poster to spend 30 minutes typing out all 16 mistakes you could very easily find the article she linked on google.

I read the article, it shows 1 mistake. The Leicester one.

So dont make assumptions.

 

[Green Arrow]

I don't know if this highlights the issues but it is pretty damning of all the mistakes he made.

https://www.footballtransfers.com/e...y-errors-leading-goals-has-harry-maguire-made

 

[Lyng]

I read the article, it shows 1 mistake. The Leicester one.

So dont make assumptions.

Clearly you didnt as they mention a lot more than that one.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I read the article, it shows 1 mistake. The Leicester one.

So dont make assumptions.

Not sure which article you read but clearly not the one that was screenshot.

I had a brief look and it talked about young boys, Leicester and Liverpool. That was me very briefly skimming a couple of paragraphs.

 

[izak]

Against the likes of Watkins?

Yea Watkins is an Average CF at best, I'll rather wait until Maguire produces beast mode performance against proper teams and elite Strikers before I jump on the bandwagon of trying to support our mediocre captain, which I honestly doubt.

ETH knows this, that fans have every right to boo him for the sort of performance he produced as an individual last season, if not for anything but to let him know this is Manchester United and we would not accept last season performance(for me anyone calling other fans who booed him as disgraceful is well deserve watching him put the ball in our own net like he did against Tottenham)

Yes to some degree the team wasn't well structured but I'll be damned if that means our captain should put on our shirt and put up a performance associated with a Sunday league defender week in week out. We should stop all this nonsense about being a top red and so on, if a player isn't performing well fans have every right to let their feelings known which ever way they see fit.

 

[romufc]

Its quite funny how @OverratedOpinion and @Lyng think that the goals conceded were solely Maguire's fault.

1. Atletico Madrid - Lost Felix, when that was a very good goal, a great delivery which should have been closed down.
2. Everton - A deflected goal is now a mistake from CB?

I want to see the same energy this season when we concede deflected and headed goals if Maguire is not playing.

 

[AltiUn]

Im just responding to the post, how is it an agenda? They asked a question, i answered it.

The source isn't great. The official PL website have him down as 1 mistake leading to a goal last season, the Champions League have him down as 0. Unless he made 15 further errors in the FA Cup and Carabao Cup it seems that the stats quoted in the article are misleading.

In fact, the most errors leading to goals by a single player is Jordan Pickford with 13, a stat which dates back to 2017. No player has got more than 13 over a 5 year span so if Maguire made 16 last year that's legitimately deserving of football's version of a Razzie.

 

[Champ]

Mistakes or not, and that article/stats website tries to claim mistakes which are not actual mistakes, there's no denying Maguire plays better with a structured team in front of him.

His England performances are generally very good, whereby he has a team which is well structured.

We have seen a marked improvement in the team structure already since Ten Hag has come in which will only help with the defence in general and indeed Maguires performances.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Its quite funny how @OverratedOpinion and @Lyng think that the goals conceded were solely Maguire's fault.

1. Atletico Madrid - Lost Felix, when that was a very good goal, a great delivery which should have been closed down.
2. Everton - A deflected goal is now a mistake from CB?

I want to see the same energy this season when we concede deflected and headed goals if Maguire is not playing.

I have not said that a single one of those goals were his fault?

I am sure some or all were but I think you are so in the trenches here that you have replied to me incredibly defensively. My point was that asking someone to spend ages listing mistakes when there is already an article linked is a bit cheap because most people can't be bothered to do that. If you actually read the article (which you clearly didn't as proved above) and disagreed then why don't you take the onus to list each mistake and why they were not his fault?

Maguire was a bit rubbish last season. He was pretty decent the year before (very good for half of the season), hopefully he gets back to that.

 

[Champ]

Its quite funny how @OverratedOpinion and @Lyng think that the goals conceded were solely Maguire's fault.

1. Atletico Madrid - Lost Felix, when that was a very good goal, a great delivery which should have been closed down.
2. Everton - A deflected goal is now a mistake from CB?

I want to see the same energy this season when we concede deflected and headed goals if Maguire is not playing.

The strange thing is nearly every goal comes from a mistake.

Be it a missed tackle, a poor pass etc.

That article tried to paint Maguire getting tackled as a mistake leading to a goal,

but it was a terrific finish from Tielemans, so whilst Maguire got tackled and yes made a mistake, it didn't directly lead to a goal scoring chance, it was a just a class goal which wasn't expected to have been scored.

No one closed the Leicester player down, and allowed him to shoot.

It's just an opportunity for people to jump on stats and use them to beat Maguire with , no matter of the context.

 

[romufc]

The strange thing is nearly every goal comes from a mistake.

Be it a missed tackle, a poor pass etc.

That article tried to paint Maguire getting tackled as a mistake leading to a goal,

but it was a terrific finish from Tielemans, so whilst Maguire got tackled and yes made a mistake, it didn't directly lead to a goal scoring chance, it was a just a class goal which wasn't expected to have been scored.

No one closed the Leicester player down, and allowed him to shoot.

It's just an opportunity for people to jump on stats and use them to beat Maguire with , no matter of the context.

Exactly, it seems like at United defending is a one man team. Doesn't matter if its 4 v 1 against Maguire at the back, it will be his fault for not being able to mark 4 players at once.

Its actually pathetic that mis placed passes are being labelled mistakes as well. If you watch 90 mins of games, VVD makes mis placed passes too, every player mis places a pass.

 

[roonster09]

Maguire was shit last season, how does it matter if he made a mistake for 16 goals or 13 goals. it's a shit season and arguably his worst season. What makes it even worse is, Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season (not sure exactly, I remember watching one of his interview thinking he can't be this deluded. him and his family).

What really matters is, he is having good preseason and things are look good for him now. He looks in good form and hopefully he carries that to regular season.

 

[Lentwood]

Thanks for that.

It lends some value to him alright but it might be a very coincidental stat.
We might have won those games without him and lost those games even with him and so on.

He was pretty bad last year, even his supporters aren't disputing that. There were plenty of times were he was all at sea. He has had good years with us before though so hopefully he'll get back to form.

I agree with the bolded part, but my point has always been - IF the problem is Maguire (as some people say/think) then why don't we improve with other combinations? Why do we in-fact get worse?

If you look at our CBs objectively, we have Maguire (England regular), Varane (France regular), Lindelof (Swedish captain/regular), Bailly (Ivory Coast regular) and even Jones and Tuanzebe, who are not mugs.

I can't believe that they are ALL bad. You look at some of the CBs playing week-in, week-out who are nowhere near their level of talent or experience and they do fine.

I firmly believe we've given our CBs an impossible job at times. We've asked them to play high and be aggressive but our press has been non-existent and our structure is a shambles, so it's no wonder none of them have looked good!

 

[romufc]

Maguire was shit last season, how does it matter if he made a mistake for 16 goals or 13 goals. it's a shit season and arguably his worst season. What makes it even worse is, Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season (not sure exactly, I remember watching one of his interview thinking he can't be this deluded. him and his family).

What really matters is, he is having good preseason and things are look good for him now. He looks in good form and hopefully he carries that to regular season.

“Last year was disappointing, as an individual I didn’t play well and as team we certainly didn’t play well."

https://theathletic.com/news/harry-maguire-manchester-united/DiuW1VgZE2sK/

I love this agenda, I know he had a bad season, we all know this, no need to make up lies though.

His interview, he said, there is a reason all managers pick him. There is a reason that ETH is picking him too.

 

[Red_toad]

Im just responding to the post, how is it an agenda? They asked a question, i answered it.

Supplying a shite source isn’t really answering it.
Article states he made an error in everyone of Leicester’s goals in their 4-2 win, which is completely fabricated nonsense.

 

[roonster09]

“Last year was disappointing, as an individual I didn’t play well and as team we certainly didn’t play well."

https://theathletic.com/news/harry-maguire-manchester-united/DiuW1VgZE2sK/

I love this agenda, I know he had a bad season, we all know this, no need to make up lies though.

His interview, he said, there is a reason all managers pick him. There is a reason that ETH is picking him too.

Don't club me with posters like you, I have no agenda and I defend, criticize every player based on performance.

Crawl out of Harry's arse, you might read more interviews. Here is the one I was talking about, instead of shouting "OMG leaving my harry alone, do a simple google search. July 17th is the not the only time Maguire gave interview.

Maguire was asked about dealing with criticism ahead of Tuesday's match and his response was delusional. "This season I've had some bad games, but I wouldn't be playing every game for Manchester United in the starting 11 if I'd been playing bad every game," Maguire said. "There's a reason why both managers have put me in the starting 11 every game.

 

[Lyng]

Its quite funny how @OverratedOpinion and @Lyng think that the goals conceded were solely Maguire's fault.

1. Atletico Madrid - Lost Felix, when that was a very good goal, a great delivery which should have been closed down.
2. Everton - A deflected goal is now a mistake from CB?

I want to see the same energy this season when we concede deflected and headed goals if Maguire is not playing.

Read my answer. I never said anything about agreeing with the article. You stated that the article only talked about one incident and that was clearly not the case.
Whether what they wrote is rubbish or not is not what I talked about.

 

[romufc]

Don't club me with posters like you, I have no agenda and I defend, criticize every player based on performance.

Crawl out of Harry's arse, you might read more interviews. Here is the one I was talking about, instead of shouting "OMG leaving my harry alone, do a simple google search. July 17th is the not the only time Maguire gave interview.

There you go, this is what an agenda is.

Just because I am calling you out, means I am up his ass.

I accept and agree like everyone else, he had a rubbish season last. So did everyone else. It seems like we finished 6th because of Maguire only on this forum.

Read the quote again, I would not be in the starting 11 if I was playing badly every game, which shows that he knows he has had bad games.

Also, he clearly came out and said he didnt play well last season. Its well and good to pick and chose what article you want to believe though.

 

[Champ]

Don't club me with posters like you, I have no agenda and I defend, criticize every player based on performance.

Crawl out of Harry's arse, you might read more interviews. Here is the one I was talking about, instead of shouting "OMG leaving my harry alone, do a simple google search. July 17th is the not the only time Maguire gave interview.

What's wrong with what Maguire said there?

He hasn't said he played well every game has he? He actually said again that he's had a few bad games, but not been bad every game, which is correct.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I accept and agree like everyone else, he had a rubbish season last. So did everyone else. It seems like we finished 6th because of Maguire only on this forum.

Yes, the Bruno thread from last year is full of purely praise, as is the Telles thread, the Lindelof thread, the Pogba thread, the McTominay thread, Rashford, Shaw, literally everyone apart from Maguire.

You are in Maguire's thread, people are going to talk about Maguire. I would literally say the only players that had more positive than negative posts about them on here last season was De Gea and potentially Ronaldo (eventually).

 

[roonster09]

What's wrong with what Maguire said there?

He hasn't said he played well every game has he? He actually said again that he's had a few bad games, but bot been bad every game, which is correct.

HE was playing bad every game and still was in the team, or lets say significantly more bad games than good games.

 

[roonster09]

There you go, this is what an agenda is.

Just because I am calling you out, means I am up his ass.

I accept and agree like everyone else, he had a rubbish season last. So did everyone else. It seems like we finished 6th because of Maguire only on this forum.

Read the quote again, I would not be in the starting 11 if I was playing badly every game, which shows that he knows he has had bad games.

Also, he clearly came out and said he didnt play well last season. Its well and good to pick and chose what article you want to believe though.

Calling me out? . It's like you are having meltdown just because everyone is not saying how wonderful harry is.

What makes your posts even pathetic is, I said last season doesn't matter and he is looking good which is what matters. But then, you are one of those typical "leave my Harry alone" posters, so anything but "My harry is awesome" is irrational posts for you.

Maguire was shit last season, how does it matter if he made a mistake for 16 goals or 13 goals. it's a shit season and arguably his worst season. What makes it even worse is, Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season (not sure exactly, I remember watching one of his interview thinking he can't be this deluded. him and his family).

What really matters is, he is having good preseason and things are look good for him now. He looks in good form and hopefully he carries that to regular season.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

What's wrong with what Maguire said there?

He hasn't said he played well every game has he? He actually said again that he's had a few bad games, but not been bad every game, which is correct.

The captain of Manchester United coming out and saying "well at least I am not playing bad every game"

What is wrong with that? Really?

 

[Champ]

HE was playing bad every game and still was in the team, or lets say significantly more bad games than good games.

He really wasn't though.

He definitely didn't play well every game, but he did have some good games, and wasn't bad in every game.

To say he was bad in every game is wrong and smacks of a built up biased thought process against the guy.

 

[roonster09]

He really wasn't though.

He definitely didn't play well every game, but he did have some good games, and wasn't bad in every game.

To say he was bad in every game is wrong and smacks of a built up biased thought process against the guy.

I don't think anyone said he was bad in every game, that's not possible for even the worst player in the league.

He had more shit games, like significantly more than his good games. And the reason he was in starting 11 is the exact reason why De Gea was in 11 when he was in shit form or why Lingard was playing when he never got an assist for a year. Reason being our other options are worse or injured.

 

[romufc]

Calling me out? . It's like you are having meltdown just because everyone is not saying how wonderful harry is.

What makes your posts even pathetic is, I said last season doesn't matter and he is looking good which is what matters. But then, you are one of those typical "leave my Harry alone" posters, so anything but "My harry is awesome" is irrational posts for you.

This is the issue.

Defending someone in your eyes = he is wonderful.

Its so black and whit with you. Just because I am correcting you, " Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season" When he actually said he was not happy about his performances last season.

That is not me saying he is awesome, its me correcting your comment which is a lie. I am not making up bullshit like you are.

 

[romufc]

I don't think anyone said he was bad in every game, that's not possible for even the worst player in the league.

HE was playing bad every game and still was in the team

These are your quotes btw.

 

[Champ]

I don't think anyone said he was bad in every game, that's not possible for even the worst player in the league.

He had more shit games, like significantly more than his good games. And the reason he was in starting 11 is the exact reason why De Gea was in 11 when he was in shit form or why Lingard was playing when he never got an assist for a year. Reason being our other options are worse or injured.

HE was playing bad every game

you literally just said that....you literally just said that he was playing bad in every game

 

[roonster09]

These are your quotes btw.

HE was playing bad every game

you literally just said that....you literally just said that he was playing bad in every game

Why are you deleting the other part.
HE was playing bad every game and still was in the team, or lets say significantly more bad games than good games.

Now in "The Sun" zone

 

[roonster09]

This is the issue.

Defending someone in your eyes = he is wonderful.

Its so black and whit with you. Just because I am correcting you, " Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season" When he actually said he was not happy about his performances last season.

That is not me saying he is awesome, its me correcting your comment which is a lie. I am not making up bullshit like you are.

And in the interview I posted, he didn't. You corrected feck all, all you done is "Leave my harry alone, he is awesome" nonsense.

it's ironic you talking about black and white when you lost your shit just because I said he didn't take responsibility in one of his interviews and in the very same post I said "All that matters is, he is looking good now". And you are the one to talk about black or white

 

[romufc]

And in the interview I posted, he didn't. You corrected feck all, all you done is "Leave my harry alone, he is awesome" nonsense.

it's ironic you talking about black and white when you lost your shit just because I said he didn't take responsibility in one of his interviews and in the very same post I said "All that matters is, he is looking good now". And you are the one to talk about black or white

Firstly, I have never said leave Maguire alone, you are assuming that.

Secondly, he has clearly come out and said his performances were not good enough.

What makes it even worse is, Maguire thinks he had decent season and takes 0 responsibilities for his season

This is clearly not true because he has come out and said he had a bad season, clearly taken responsibility. I dont get what you dont understand by it.

Just because you thought he was bad every game, you think a player is going to come out and say, I was playing badly every game?

 

[Champ]

Why you deleting the other part.
HE was playing bad every game and still was in the team, or lets say significantly more bad games than good games.

Now in "The Sun" zone

What are you on about, Trump levels of delusion here.

Your first sentence is 'HE was playing bad every game '

That's what you said. It's there in digital black and white

Anyhow, you have your thoughts on Maguire, that's fine, carry on with them, but next time you try to make a point, at least base it in reality please, it tends to help lend credence to what you are trying to get across.

 

[roonster09]

Firstly, I have never said leave Maguire alone, you are assuming that.

Secondly, he has clearly come out and said his performances were not good enough.



This is clearly not true because he has come out and said he had a bad season, clearly taken responsibility. I dont get what you dont understand by it.

Just because you thought he was bad every game, you think a player is going to come out and say, I was playing badly every game?

Did you forget to read the interview where he said "There is a reason why managers play him"? Or do we need to consider only the interview posted by you.

No, I don't want him to say "I played bad every game", as it is he is shit captain. Saying that makes it even obvious. I don't want him to say "There is a reason why managers play me" bs. Reason is lack of options.

 

[roonster09]

What are you on about, Trump levels of delusion here.

Your first sentence is 'HE was playing bad every game '

That's what you said. It's there in digital black and white

Anyhow, you have your thoughts on Maguire, that's fine, carry on with them, but next time you try to make a point, at least base it in reality please, it tends to help lend credence to what you are trying to get across.

It's rich you saying trump level when you are the one who deleted part of my post, like peddling fake news

Next time when you quote someone, quote the entire sentence, what what you like, like some tabloid shit.

 

[romufc]

Did you forget to read the interview where he said "There is a reason why managers play him"? Or do we need to consider only the interview posted by you.

No, I don't want him to say "I played bad every game", as it is he is shit captain. Saying that makes it even obvious. I don't want him to say "There is a reason why managers play me" bs. Reason is lack of options.

Yes, I remember it and I also remember he got criticised for it. It was before the Liverpool game and he got his critics for saying that.

3 months later are you going on about that and ignoring that he took responsibility? You have said he took 0 responsibility which is a lie. He clearly said he did not play well recently as last week.

Really? lack of options? Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Bailly, Jones were our CB's last season. Only 2 play. So yeah lack of options.

 

[roonster09]

Yes, I remember it and I also remember he got criticised for it. It was before the Liverpool game and he got his critics for saying that.

3 months later are you going on about that and ignoring that he took responsibility? You have said he took 0 responsibility which is a lie. He clearly said he did not play well recently as last week.

Really? lack of options? Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Bailly, Jones were our CB's last season. Only 2 play. So yeah lack of options.

So you remember it and somehow arguing for the sake of it. Only liar i see is you, ignoring his interview in April.

Did I say he said the same words again? I was talking about last season and I gave his last season's interview. When it comes to this season, I said he is having good preseason and he is in good form and hopefully he carries that to regular season. How is that agenda?

Like I said, you are one of "Leave my harry alone" type of posters, that's why a simple "he didn't take responsibility for his last season form" triggered you so much and you are the same poster who post so much nonsense in other player threads just because you don't like them.

Of yeah, lack of options. Injury prone CBs and a poor CB. Like I said, he played last season as other options were injured and the fit ones are just shit.