I'm sure Toto will brief us on the latest when he's had it leaked to him from his lawyer.
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Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
December 2021.
Them breaking the cost cap and getting away with it is just another nail in the coffin.
Last year.
It’s not f1 I’m giving up on… it’s some of their fans brought on by the Netflix bullshit.
An entire sport focused on literally cheating and bending rules to gain advantage. Like legit if you could define Motorsport it would be this sentence.
Accept it happens and move on.You’ll live a happier life.
An entire sport focused on literally cheating and bending rules to gain advantage. Like legit if you could define Motorsport it would be this sentence.
Accept it happens and move on.You’ll live a happier life.
Getting tired of Red Bull cheating again. But even more tired of the FIA letting it happen in consecutive seasons.
This latest overspend also gives Red Bull an advantage next year and possibly for a couple of years. They lack integrity.
This latest overspend also gives Red Bull an advantage next year and possibly for a couple of years. They lack integrity.
If they take max’s 1st world championship, the can of worms is open for Ferrari and Massa to call the 2008 Singapore race null and void as it was effectively a fixed race.
Someone at the FIA has told Sky that constructors points reductions would only be considered for material breaches.
Just reiterating what everyone with common sense already realised.
Just reiterating what everyone with common sense already realised.
I only found he got to keep that win on his record despite the blatant cheating.
That's just a really dumb statement to try and convince people makes sense, though. Bending rules to gain advantages yes, cheating? Absolutely not. It's not intended, the fact that it happens is bad and should be eliminated end of story. There's nothing Netflix about that and to suggest it is is just really bizarre. The sport itself and the fans have been in uproar about numerous cheating scandals long before Netflix arrived and for good reason, the entire sport is absolutely not focused on it, quite the opposite. Different interpretations of the rules in clever ways that result in advantages on track and cheating are two very separate things.
Just take away all his, perez and red bulls points this season as well and ferrari will be cool with it ... problem solved
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I don’t remember the British media being in uproar over that as the only plausible out come would be to void the race such was the actions and impact it had on the championship
There was plenty of uproar - an example https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-worst-act-of-cheating-in-the-history-of-sport-nhf92sqnkqr
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The FIA "making an offer" ffs. Let me guess its a fine which Red Bull can obviously well afford.
No way will it actually be the punishment they deserve and no way will Red Bull accept any wrong doing anyway.
Absolute joke.
The terminology makes it sounds worse than it is, but this is normal as per the process. it's always been in the regulations that anything constituted as a minor breach the FIA would propose the penalty which would either be sporting or financial, or both. I guess at this stage then they've decided based on the amount what punishment they are getting. The ball is in Red Bull's court now to decide whether to accept this penalty, and then formally acknowledged that they breached the cost cap and the details become public, or to take it to an adjudication panel and risk the chance of a bigger penalty.
Either way, I don't think Red Bull will come out of this looking good. They accept the ABA and acknowledge that they have broken the rules and the details become public or they take it to a panel and still could be found in breach. Red Bull will be weighing up whether the sporting penalties are something they can absorb (whether that's development time or points deductions), the financial penalties isn't going to even come into a discussion with them.
Let me guess... the appeal panel is massi
He's back in the land of Oz on the Supercars Commission now.
I suspect they'll accept it but go hard in a press conference to show where the FIA are wrongly claiming they've overspent.
The ABA cant even reduce their cost cap, the only penalties would be fines and wind tunnel reduction.
The ABA cant even reduce their cost cap, the only penalties would be fines and wind tunnel reduction.
This will almost certainly be the case.
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Draped in an American flag? Aussies must be so proud.
Williams will be announcing their second driver for 2023 on Saturday, looking extremely likely that it’ll be Logan Sargeant teaming up with Albon.
Rumours of the overspend from motorsport.com:
If these rumours are true then it's an absolute storm in a tea cup that's been blown out of proportion, it feels like people are imagining 7million was pumped directly into development of the car.
I don't think Red Bull press conference is going ahead as apparently the meeting between Horner and Sulayem which was scheduled for last night, didn't happen.
If these rumours are true then it's an absolute storm in a tea cup that's been blown out of proportion, it feels like people are imagining 7million was pumped directly into development of the car.
Either way the whole saga has just been a vehicle for Toto and bitter Mercedes fans in the media to distract from the fact they've been seriously outraced on the track and outdeveloped off it for 2 years on the trot.
And whatever happens with RB and their penalty, there still needs to be a serious public discussion on how Toto knew about 2 teams confidential budget cap breaches 2 weeks before the teams themselves were informed.
At this point WWF1 and FIA make the mob look like an honorable and trustworthy organisation. Nothing will come out of this cost cap saga because it would take integrity and a spine to do anything.
An odd hill to die on where the issue is more how the news came (conspiracy theories around a former lawyer of Mercedes now at the FIA being a source) out rather than the breach of the cap itself.
Binotto has been banging the breaching of the cap drum since Miami, long before Wolff mentioned anything. This isn't new news by the way, but Toto is a board member at Aston Martin so he would have heard this news anyway. With only 4 areas to look at, Binotto knew that no Ferrari powered team had an issue, Wolff knew that no Mercedes powered team had an issue, and a simple question to Alpine would have highlighted who the other team where. The teams all have a relatively good idea of how much each team is spending based on what they see on the car, plus the paddock is a very, very small place.
Binotto answering generic cost cap questions in May isn’t relevant. He didn’t allude to knowing a team had definitely broken the cap like Toto did in Singapore.
AM didn’t know about their procedural breach before Suzuka, same as Red Bull.
Rao was heavily involved with the TD, low and behold Mercedes get a drop on the details of the TD long before anyone else raising eyebrows all across the paddock in Canada. Same situation again with the cost cap. It’s insultingly obvious what’s going on.
People seriously trying to downplay 2m investment. Ridiculous.
This article is filled with new information and some very interesting bits.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bulls-f1-cost-cap-breach-was-in-four-main-areas
This bit is is especially interesting:
https://racingnews365.com/red-bulls-f1-cost-cap-breach-was-in-four-main-areas
This bit is is especially interesting:
That can't be true can it? Changing the rules after the money's been spent and the accounts have already been submitted
If that’s true then the majority of their alleged overspend can be wiped out. Craig Slater was saying 7 figures worth of old parts that shouldn’t have counted were counted after that rule was changed.This article is filled with new information and some very interesting bits.
https://racingnews365.com/red-bulls-f1-cost-cap-breach-was-in-four-main-areas
This bit is is especially interesting:
That can't be true can it? Changing the rules after the money's been spent and the accounts have already been submitted
Yeah. Honestly, if that article is accurate I can imagine Red Bull will not accept any punishment that will hurt them in the coming seasons like a lower budget cap or less wind tunnel time. I'd imagine they'd rather hire an army of lawyers and stick it to the FIA in court. But we'll probably hear more over the weekend. Some of the information in the article could be wrong, could be fed by Red Bull as well so truth could be somewhere in the middle. We'll see.
It's OK though, as it was spent on catering, and none of the other teams had to factor that into their budget either...
Take Max' title from 21! Also take his title from 22! Cheating cnuts. Lewis and Charles are the real WDC. Only fair decision would be crowning them the champ retrospectively.
In fact I would ban RB from all of motorsports. Then this sport would be watchable again. Am I right guys???
In fact I would ban RB from all of motorsports. Then this sport would be watchable again. Am I right guys???
Who's the source? Could be a leak straight from the FIA and RB.
If it's true, they only need to prove it by sharing the accounts publicly/ through a neutral audit team and that should generally get them off any serious punishment, as long as they didn't also spend more money on car development than competing teams.
I still don't really understand why RB were the only team to breach the cap, if the rules were confusing/ changed at the last minute. And why were things like catering apparently so much more expensive for them than other teams?
If only one team breaks the rules, especially one as good at pushing boundaries as much as RB, it hints at wrongdoing. The current excuse of the overspend only being on redundancies and catering, when other teams will have had similar challenges, also doesn't seem to make a lot of logical sense. But I'll be pleasantly surprised if the process transparently reveals this is not the case.
Someone in RB is leaking info?
Only three teams could even breach it to begin with
.. The rest are trying to find money to spend not the other way aroundRB didnt hear from the FIA about breaching the cap until Suzuka. This line that the teams were going back and forth with the FIA for months debating their submissions is just a Mercedes fan fiction. AM and RB were genuinely caught by surprise with the news in Singapore that they'd committed breaches.
Someone in the FIA either leaked vague details of submissions and breaches straight to AMuS or it went via Mercedes.
Binnotto?
Joke of a "sport".