pauldyson1uk
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Lets hope we can draw a line under this now and just get on with it, but I doubt it, Sky for one will bring it up for the rest of the season and no doubt into next.
People still mention how unfair it was that Russia/ Qatar were awarded the World Cup, because FIFA rewarded cheating for years.Lets hope we can draw a line under this now and just get on with it, but I doubt it, Sky for one will bring it up for the rest of the season and no doubt into next.
It's completely bizarre how they are allowed to spend the maximum amount in future years, despite overspending this year. Surely once guilty, the overspend should be deducted from future financial years.Cost cap is dead.
I dont disagree. It will be interesting to see what the other team bosses have to say. I think the paddock will say the penalty isnt sufficient.It's completely bizarre how they are allowed to spend the maximum amount in future years, despite overspending this year. Surely once guilty, the overspend should be deducted from future financial years.
A 10% reduction for every 500k overspend (if the team has made a stupid mistake like unclaimed tax credits) is surely not enough, whether it's Mercedes, RB or Ferrari. It should be this PLUS a reduction in their budget cap for future years, so they aren't allowed to overspend in any three year period.
Actually 10% would be the gap between 1st in the constructors and 3rd, so it is a significant reduction I would say. Wolff this year has commented how the reduced WT time has affected themIt's completely bizarre how they are allowed to spend the maximum amount in future years, despite overspending this year. Surely once guilty, the overspend should be deducted from future financial years.
A 10% reduction for every 500k overspend (if the team has made a stupid mistake like unclaimed tax credits) is surely not enough, whether it's Mercedes, RB or Ferrari. It should be this PLUS a reduction in their budget cap for future years, so they aren't allowed to overspend in any three year period.
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Nah... They will just move their catering into the wind tunnel and use some unusually shaped plates that they then donate to the red bull museumFun and games. Classic F1.
Everyone against RB saying even £500K is massive in performance whilst RB would say it was little and not relevant to performance.
Now the punishment has come out, teams will claim it isn't worth anything whilst RB will say it's a massive hit to performance.
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Isn't £600k enough to gain one tenth of a second per lap?What ever fine / penalty Red Bull get will not be acceptable to some.
Huge fine and a reduction in wind tunnel time seems to be the punishment being banded around, is it enough ?
Some are calling for Max and Red Bull to be stripped of last seasons WC, that was never going to happen, again should it ?
I dont think is would be right.
The over spend is reported to be 1.8m, is that enough to change the out come of last season, would them not spending that 1.8m made Max slower or less comparative ?
If Red Bull can prove that the over spend was not spent on the car or development and was spent on catering and gardening leave, then yeah maybe the fine and penalty is about right.
Iam bored of it all, this has dragged on for too long, FIA need to sort out how they deal with stuff like this.
Some of the comments by other team principles and been pretty bad, one call Red Bull cheats, Toto did himself no favors , nor did Binotto.
It’s a tiny amount to them to be fair.Have to wonder how RB managed to bodge up the tax stuff so badly. FIA accepting that had they not overpaid in tax they would only be £400k over budget. How do you forget a £1.4m tax credit.
Certainly agree with you regarding RB accounting being inadequate.Amateur stuff from the RB accountants, some of the 13 elements of this minor breach could have been easily clarified in the some 12-24 months prior with the FIA's team.
The FIA penalty feels about right, when the context of tax credit comes into play. The 10% reduction impacts CFD as well as wind tunnel so I'd say it's significant on top of the reduction they have as world champions this year, some 12% less time than Ferrari and 17% less time than Mercedes for 2023. Would of preferred the £7m to come off the budget rather than a financial penalty, as teams like Red Bull have deep pockets that £7m wouldn't touch the sides with.
But it didn't go unpunished, in any context, and surely you understand that not all cheating is the same?I dont disagree. It will be interesting to see what the other team bosses have to say. I think the paddock will say the penalty isnt sufficient.
Marseille get stripped of european cup
Juventus get relegated
Lance armstrong loses all his titles
Ben johnson loses olympic gold.
RedBull? Laugh their heads off as their cheating goes unpunished in a sporting context.
To be fair, there could feasibly be a similarity to those cases. Intravenous drops of red bull to keep engineers going through the night.But it didn't go unpunished, in any context, and surely you understand that not all cheating is the same?
You might just as well argue that City should be stripped of their 21/22 PL title the next time Mahrez cheats by taking a dive because Juve lost their titles when they cheated.
Definitely. But in the end he still wasn't robbed.So does this recent news mean Lewis was robbed even harder than we first thought?
Well, considering there are 3 non Red Bull drivers between Max and Hamilton, it's hard to understand how you can make this all about Hamilton.So does this recent news mean Lewis was robbed even harder than we first thought?
YesSo does this recent news mean Lewis was robbed even harder than we first thought?
The overspend was in 2021.Well, considering there are 3 non Red Bull drivers between Max and Hamilton, it's hard to understand how you can make this all about Hamilton.
That was funny. Accents and foreign names don't always mix The confusion in Carlos' voice was hilariousTeam Radio: "De Vries behind on out lap"
Carlos Sainz:" Who, What. Debris??"
From what I read it was during year 2021 for development of 2022. car, but correct me if I am wrong?The overspend was in 2021.
That would be the same for all teams.Imagine how much they would have been over if they actually had to race at SPA and replace some parts.
Joke of a judgement but nothing else was expected.
Don’t be silly, only Red Bull would have taken any wear there. Mercedes are impervious to degradation in Belgium, everyone knows thatThat would be the same for all teams.
I wasn’t completely listening but it seems they were running it - but with the illegal parts removed.I'm not caught up. Did Mercedes run their new front wing yesterday?
2021 budget affects 2021 car and beyond. Nobody is starting development from scratch annually.From what I read it was during year 2021 for development of 2022. car, but correct me if I am wrong?
Just to be clear. You are referring to Spa last year when the so called race was stopped after 2 laps.Don’t be silly, only Red Bull would have taken any wear there. Mercedes are impervious to degradation in Belgium, everyone knows that
I’m not at all, I thought the original posters point was ludicrous, my response was very sarcastic.Just to be clear. You are referring to Spa last year when the so called race was stopped after 2 laps.
That being the case, why would only RB have taken wear there.
Understood.I’m not at all, I thought the original posters point was ludicrous, my response was very sarcastic.