ArjenIsM3
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Outlets now reporting Red Bull, Aston Martin and the FIA have agreed to an ABA. Details to be published tomorrow.
it doesn’t matter. the fia are trail blazers. i hope the crown court in the uk introduces a similar system whereby criminals are allowed to barter with the judges and agree on a sentence, all the while the actual crimes are never detailed. this way the general public have no idea a registered nonce only did 12 minutes behind bars because it was less paperwork for the judge and better hid their incompetence.So did RB cheat...or not?
Feels like it's been over run by a certain group of fans brought ot f1 by a certain TV show.r/formula1 was great 10 or so years ago, was basically an extension of the planetf1 forums.
YepFeels like it's been over run by a certain group of fans brought ot f1 by a certain TV show.
I didnt even know there was a formula1 reddit, thought it was just formuladank
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what is it about sporting organisations and their inability to show any kind of consistency or logic to what they’re doing.That alonso penalty reversal reason is absolutely mental.
just shows how incompetent the FIA can be.That alonso penalty reversal reason is absolutely mental.
Well if they broke the rules they cheated, it's not like they're a bunch of upstanding citizens in the senior management there is it? They probably thought they'd found a loophole and tried to exploit it. They should be punished properly if so. Reducing their budget cap would make the most sense to me.What ever fine / penalty Red Bull get will not be acceptable to some.
Huge fine and a reduction in wind tunnel time seems to be the punishment being banded around, is it enough ?
Some are calling for Max and Red Bull to be stripped of last seasons WC, that was never going to happen, again should it ?
I dont think is would be right.
The over spend is reported to be 1.8m, is that enough to change the out come of last season, would them not spending that 1.8m made Max slower or less comparative ?
If Red Bull can prove that the over spend was not spent on the car or development and was spent on catering and gardening leave, then yeah maybe the fine and penalty is about right.
Iam bored of it all, this has dragged on for too long, FIA need to sort out how they deal with stuff like this.
Some of the comments by other team principles and been pretty bad, one call Red Bull cheats, Toto did himself no favors , nor did Binotto.
I dont think we've heard the last of this despite the FIA ruling. Haas & Alfa Romeo bosses have also voiced their opinion that the penalty should be sporting not financial.What ever fine / penalty Red Bull get will not be acceptable to some.
Huge fine and a reduction in wind tunnel time seems to be the punishment being banded around, is it enough ?
Some are calling for Max and Red Bull to be stripped of last seasons WC, that was never going to happen, again should it ?
I dont think is would be right.
The over spend is reported to be 1.8m, is that enough to change the out come of last season, would them not spending that 1.8m made Max slower or less comparative ?
If Red Bull can prove that the over spend was not spent on the car or development and was spent on catering and gardening leave, then yeah maybe the fine and penalty is about right.
Iam bored of it all, this has dragged on for too long, FIA need to sort out how they deal with stuff like this.
Some of the comments by other team principles and been pretty bad, one call Red Bull cheats, Toto did himself no favors , nor did Binotto.
There’s no real way of proving that though, the way I see it is that everyone was in the same position and made cut backs whereas RBR carried on spending. It shouldn’t really matter if that over spend was on catering or development, the only thing that matters is going over the allowance.What ever fine / penalty Red Bull get will not be acceptable to some.
Huge fine and a reduction in wind tunnel time seems to be the punishment being banded around, is it enough ?
Some are calling for Max and Red Bull to be stripped of last seasons WC, that was never going to happen, again should it ?
I dont think is would be right.
The over spend is reported to be 1.8m, is that enough to change the out come of last season, would them not spending that 1.8m made Max slower or less comparative ?
If Red Bull can prove that the over spend was not spent on the car or development and was spent on catering and gardening leave, then yeah maybe the fine and penalty is about right.
Iam bored of it all, this has dragged on for too long, FIA need to sort out how they deal with stuff like this.
Some of the comments by other team principles and been pretty bad, one call Red Bull cheats, Toto did himself no favors , nor did Binotto.
The big risk is this line of thinking pushes one of the big manufacturers to leave the sport. If LMH/Dh rules prove to be a success you could see a return to the doldrums of the late 90s in F1 where they are all, except for Ferrari, more focused on sportscars.I dont think we've heard the last of this despite the FIA ruling. Haas & Alfa Romeo bosses have also voiced their opinion that the penalty should be sporting not financial.
I dont think a 25% reduction in wind tunnel time for the next season is a sufficient deterant to the likes of ferrari and mercedes. Better to overspend, win a constructors or drivers title knowing it wont be taken away. The following season be damned. Ferrari for one havent won a WDC in 15 years. Worth the overspend to get that monkey off their back.
I have no doubts a number of teams will now break the costcap or get creative with financing and put the overspend on "catering". Personally i dont think likes ferrari and mercedes should d this. Just because Redbull cheated, they shouldnt lower themselves or their brands reputation to that position.
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Bingo, all the teams agreed to the rules including the punishments.The appropriate punishment is whatever they can negotiate in the ABA, since that’s the process all the teams agreed on.
I can see the big manufacturers eventually spltting off from fia and starting their own series. Much like in football where the giant clubs are getting frustrated with UEFA. Eventually they may decide to govern themselves.The big risk is this line of thinking pushes one of the big manufacturers to leave the sport. If LMH/Dh rules prove to be a success you could see a return to the doldrums of the late 90s in F1 where they are all, except for Ferrari, more focused on sportscars.
2021 season for various reasons we all know its the nexus for the most controversal point in f1 history and will remain so. Therefore it becomes an outlier of a season for punishments.I dont see how they can prove the overspend was not spent on the car, we will never know, maybe the FIA will , who knows.
And yes overspending on a budget, for what ever reason, yeah can be classed as cheating.
I can see why some say 25% reduction in the wind tunnel is not a big enough deterrent a budget reduction would.
My fear and of other I can read is other teams will think well if we over spend by 5% which is what 7.5m, with only be a slap on the wrists, it will be worth it.
Was Max aweare of the overspend, would he have had a clue, no I don't think so, but did he benefit, that question my never be answered.
OK I will ask you, what punishment would be appropriate ?
My thoughts.
Max keeps his WC , Red Bull stripped of the constructors title, reduction in budget next season and loss of tunnel time , too harsh ?
Just make the team that overspends pay that amount to every other team and that amount won’t be included into everyone else’s budget.I dont see how they can prove the overspend was not spent on the car, we will never know, maybe the FIA will , who knows.
And yes overspending on a budget, for what ever reason, yeah can be classed as cheating.
I can see why some say 25% reduction in the wind tunnel is not a big enough deterrent a budget reduction would.
My fear and of other I can read is other teams will think well if we over spend by 5% which is what 7.5m, with only be a slap on the wrists, it will be worth it.
Was Max aweare of the overspend, would he have had a clue, no I don't think so, but did he benefit, that question my never be answered.
OK I will ask you, what punishment would be appropriate ?
My thoughts.
Max keeps his WC , Red Bull stripped of the constructors title, reduction in budget next season and loss of tunnel time , too harsh ?
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People still mention how unfair it was that Russia/ Qatar were awarded the World Cup, because FIFA rewarded cheating for years.Lets hope we can draw a line under this now and just get on with it, but I doubt it, Sky for one will bring it up for the rest of the season and no doubt into next.