Yep, it's not as black and white as some on here are claiming.
Mercedes have upgraded the car a whole lot more than Red Bull have this season according to AMuS.
What I mean is that the team are currently called Alfa Romeo. Sauber as a team are not currently racing in F1. Simple really.
Correct.
They won’t though.
Why. Is that against F1 rules and budget cap.
Sauber are actually the team that's racing, they're just partnered with Alfa Romeo.
I did say that would be the case by those who understand F1....
So what is the team called?
https://www.sauber-group.com/motorsport/formula-1/partners/
The point is that Mercedes have obviously spent more on upgrades than RB this season. They’ve also spent much more on repairs, because their drivers can’t seem to stop crashing into things.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...-Racing.html&usg=AOvVaw3j-TEc9zXaq5Etdz7eC3kq
Ok. Let's see if they comply with the budget cap. And if not, you have a point.
are you being dense on purpose or what? thats how title sponsporship works. Alfa and Orlen are the 2 main sponsors. I suppose you're going to tell me Alpine own the team too right? There you go. I am always totally unimpressed by people who have to resort to insults to try and make their point. Which you have and failed.
the team could be called disneyland and wearing a mickey mouse head for a helmet, but they'd still be Sauber under the clothing.
It's a sponsorship, Alfa own nothing of the team that is racing. When they leave Sauber are partnering with Audi. Unless they buy out Sauber, it'll still be Sauber.
ooof. fired that off like a verstappen lunge for a non-existent gap.
Unfortunately I had to prove my point twice which you chose to ignore. It's ok to admit you failed and you're wrong snowflake xx
Thanks.
Alfa are just a title sponsor and technical partner, the team is still Sauber on all but the race entry.
I'm not saying that it's against the rules. It's not. But it's a bit odd that Mercedes are questioning how Red Bull can upgrade their car and stay under the cap while they've done a lot more upgrades themselves isn't it? And the article is from before the USA GP and Mercedes brought a big upgrade package to that GP as well.
Will bookmark this post for next years audit results. Seeing as RB have brought updates to every race and have been lightening the weight of the car for awhile now. Something mercedes and ferrari cant afford to do this season.
Big difference between spending on smaller cheaper parts to fix porposing and then do development on your car than spending £2mil on a lighter chassis for august when you've already sown up the wdc and constructors.
The budget cap is in regards to 2021, not this year, no one knows anything about this year's budget cap yet, so calling this year's car illegal makes no sense.
When do you think 2022 cars are designed & from what years budget?
Except they have done.
I would assume it's from the budget of the year the car is going to race in, so 2022? I honestly don't know, that just makes the most sense to me. And from the talk you always hear every year when they talk about car development it sounds like that's how it works. But because of the budget cap thing the last couple of years I actually don't know now.
No, development for this years car would have began probably around June-July 2021, some teams before that. So it would come into budgets from last year, which is why the talk around punishments is so heated amongst some on here.
Oh yeh I know development would have started that far back, it always does, but I haven't seen anything to say that development of this year's car is part of last year's budget, do you have a source for that? It'd be interesting to read.
Did they ever introduce that rumoured lighter chassis? Because I don't think they did. There was a rumour about a lighter chassis in August yeah (surprise surprise the two rival teams were talking about it..) but Red Bull denied it existed. Later rumours started by Motorsport Italy saying it does exist but was never introduced because Red Bull didn't really need the extra performance and decided to cut costs that way.
Ah ok fair enough, I find it weird that happens to be honest, an awful lot of grey areas if your mixing one year's budget and the next. You'd think they'd just stick with it being a cap for 2021's car only, and the next year's budget for the new car in the rules. But anyway what do I know!
It would enable teams to frontload spending and claim it was for future cars. An upgrade going into and being tested for next year's car could definitely also benefit this year's.Ah ok fair enough, I find it weird that happens to be honest, an awful lot of grey areas if your mixing one year's budget and the next. You'd think they'd just stick with it being a cap for 2021's car only, and the next year's budget for the new car in the rules. But anyway what do I know!
I'm not bothered either ways really, I'm not a fan of either red bull or Mercedes, just can't stand some of mental gymnastics some people employ on here to defend either team, it's nauseating. I think I'll stick with having Ferrari as my favourite team, at least they're just shit most of time
How can it exist if they didn't spend the money to create it?.
Could be they created a prototype for testing, could be it's for the 2023 car, could be Motorsport Italy are full of it and/or are a mouthpiece for Ferrari/Mercedes, lots of possibilities really. All we know is in late August Red Bull said they didn't have one and weren't planning one on the short term. Everything else is speculation. Where are you getting the idea that they're secretly using a new chassis but pretending they're not? How would that even work? These things are strictly monitored by the FIA and upgrades get published.
Well the FIA clearly aren't aware of everything otherwise cheating would never happen on cars. If RB turned up one weekend with a new lighter chassis, from the outside how are the FIA supposed to know without it being declared? It's not like you can see the difference.
I know there has been a bit of back and forth on this but the expectation is after the alfa title sponsorship ends in 2023, the team will go back to the name sauber for two years and the be known as audi from 2026.
The reason suspension was simplified for the 2022 season and onwards was because the fia couldn't police the suspensions as their designs were so complex. Stuff does get past the FIA i.e. ferrari oil burning when vettel was there.
Understood. My clear understanding is that currently, the team is called Alfa Romeo and that is the stated team title on the F1 website.
