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checo.Ah. But who supplied the flies.
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checo.Ah. But who supplied the flies.
I was thinking Daddy Verstappen.checo.
It's clearly Christian Horner, the flies would get stuck in the layer of slime that surrounds his bodyI was thinking Daddy Verstappen.
And if he does not finish 2nd by say a point?As long as Perez finishes 2nd it will be swept under the carpet. He is a team player and that is why he gets the RB drive.
Well obviously in that scenario, there will be friction.And if he does not finish 2nd by say a point?
Yeah I think you may be right. I posted weeks back that he'll get a bunch of WDC on the trot. No real competition from Perez and a great car. But things turn around quickly. Ask Vettel.Don't dream to much. It's clear that Red Bull stopped development and that they have improvements for next season already sorted for example lighter chassis.
You're probably right, but it does seem that Checo is learning just how one sided the team mates deal is at Red Bull. He knew he was number 2, but I doubt he realised that Max would rather throw leftovers in the bin rather than throw him a few him table scraps.Well obviously in that scenario, there will be friction.
But I can not foresee Perez throwing his toys out because he is well aware that the team is built around Max.
And the team are not going to do anything about Max behaviour.
It is what it is.
This episode shows much more about Max attitude that Perez.You're probably right, but it does seem that Checo is learning just how one sided the team mates deal is at Red Bull. He knew he was number 2, but I doubt he realised that Max would rather throw leftovers in the bin rather than throw him a few him table scraps.
So you genuinely think Perez deliberately crashed in Monaco to give LeClerc pole, risking damaging his car in the process, just so Max didn’t take it?If it really is retribution for Monaco then Perez should be thankful his end punishment is just 2 points, and not being Briatore'd.
You really have lost the plot haven't youIf it really is retribution for Monaco then Perez should be thankful his end punishment is just 2 points, and not being Briatore'd.
I completely agree, I just think that Checo is surprised to learn just how spoiled Max is, hence his reaction.This episode shows much more about Max attitude that Perez.
Max was happy to go past his team mate under team orders, albeit he was quicker. But when the situation was reversed, he ignored orders.
Anyway. None of this is remotely a surprise.
Yup. Bottas was less than useless at the end of last year too. He defended less against RB than neutral teams.You really have lost the plot haven't you
Anyway, without Perez as his rear gunner Max will be far worse off than 2 less points next year.
Agreed, for the last 3 races the Merc has passed the eye test and looks like a much nicer car to drive.Irrespective of whether RB are running reduced engine speed or saving costs in other ways, the straight line speed of the Merc is visibly so much faster against other cars than it was just a few races ago. Even with the sidepods, it's clear they have finally overcome their issues.
If Ferrari get better decision makers and Mercedes improve their pit stops then next season should be excellent.
The lack of self awareness is incredible isn't it?But you just have.
I'm not sure about "finally overcome", I suspect its more likely that within the constraints of the design they have they've found some upgrades that yielded a nice bit of performance. Mercedes have said they made a fundamental error in one of their design decisions and it could only be fixed in the 2023 car.Irrespective of whether RB are running reduced engine speed or saving costs in other ways, the straight line speed of the Merc is visibly so much faster against other cars than it was just a few races ago. Even with the sidepods, it's clear they have finally overcome their issues.
If Ferrari get better decision makers and Mercedes improve their pit stops then next season should be excellent.
I didn’t and I don’t want to believe it but the telemetry needs explaining. I don’t remember him claiming his throttle was broken.So you genuinely think Perez deliberately crashed in Monaco to give LeClerc pole, risking damaging his car in the process, just so Max didn’t take it?
If he’d admitted that to RB, you’d have expected them to report it to the FIA presumably as such a dangerous action couldn’t possibly be condoned by the team?
Checo doesn’t appear to have any idea what was going on. If he’d deliberately crashed and admitted that to the team, he’s hardly going to have been surprised Max didn’t let him past and said that it showed the type of person Max is. In fact, if that had happened, Max would (correctly) have insisted he be kicked from the team. Feels more like some perceived issue invented in Max’s head.I didn’t and I don’t want to believe it but the telemetry needs explaining. I don’t remember him claiming his throttle was broken.
Also what other reasons could max have that neither max or checo would be willing to share.
Schumacher was a winner at all costs, but definitely did help his team mates or other drivers when his own targets had been reached. Same with Hamilton, and he’s a prick as well. I think Max made an error of judgement with that one. Take road cycling, all the great patrons of the peleton gave a way presents in order to gain favour with riders in the peleton, a lesson that will bite Verstappen on the arse. You could say Verstappen crashing in to Hamilton yesterday has partly to do with this as no way is Hamilton leaving Verstappen any room any time soon. Verstappen would probably be wise to lick Hamilton’s (let alone Perez’) arse a little and try and get in his good books. (I always feel Hamilton should do the same with Alonso.) You have to put emotion aside and play it clever.It’s a championship though, everyone up and down the grid are fighting their own battles as a team and as drivers against each other. Even Senna and Schumacher have moved over once they’d won the title for their team.
Anyway it’s not a big deal and Max said he will help next time.
Perez had already had a mini team debrief before being interviewed (I think) and he looked pretty shifty when asked what Max’s reasons were.Checo doesn’t appear to have any idea what was going on. If he’d deliberately crashed and admitted that to the team, he’s hardly going to have been surprised Max didn’t let him past and said that it showed the type of person Max is. In fact, if that had happened, Max would (correctly) have insisted he be kicked from the team. Feels more like some perceived issue invented in Max’s head.
Max said he’d already previously raised whatever his issue is “last summer”, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise. It also seems utterly implausible to me that Perez would think Max had forgiven him if it was true. It’s supposedly a deliberate act to screw Max over.Perez had already had a mini team debrief before being interviewed (I think) and he looked pretty shifty when asked what Max’s reasons were.
Maybe he didn’t think Max would hold it against him 7 months later after already winning the title, and that’s where his surprise is.
luckily red bull are beacons, nay, bastions of honesty and integrity. i hope that puts your mind at rest.Max said he’d already previously raised whatever his issue is “last summer”, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise. It also seems utterly implausible to me that Perez would think Max had forgiven him if it was true. It’s supposedly a deliberate act to screw Max over.
I would hope the rumours are fully investigated though. If RB has covered up such a dangerous manoeuvre by one of its drivers, it’s a major issue.
Disqualification and fine if Alonso/Piquet is anything to go by (Disqualified from race and team suspended disqualification). Depends what happened but pretty serious. This rumour doesn't have any legs other than a few of Max fans, unless Perez comes out and says it then nothing can happen.I don't see any way out of it for Max's reputation.
Either he refused to give up a non podium place to help his team mate because he's selfish and immature, and leaking a story of his team cheating/ concealing cheating as a dead cat.
Or he is genuinely still angry and leaking previous cheating in his team that he, his teammate and his team have deliberately concealed from the officials.
What are the rules on deliberately crashing and concealing rule breaking in F1?
People thought he was a mardy kidI don't see any way out of it for Max's reputation.
I can totally see it.max was definitely the kind of child that pulled the wings off of flys.
Exactly, unless you live in the cesspit that is F1 twitter.It isn't that big of a deal though.
Alternatively Lewis could try to be a better wheel to wheel racer. Follow the many examples from Leclerc, Sainz and Russell going wheel to wheel vs Max through long sections of track this season, and leave enough space. And then he'd have won the race.So basically he chose to drive into Lewis because he wasn’t going to win the race anyway and didn’t want Lewis to do so? He really is pitch perfect as an arrogant heel.
It’s slander, surprised RBR/Perez legal team haven’t told the journalist to retract that statement.I can totally see it.
At least he's got the Dutch media shills working overtime for him to ruin Perez's reputation and get him off the hook for this one.