g = window.googletag || {}; googletag.cmd = googletag.cmd || []; window.googletag = googletag; googletag.cmd.push(function() { var interstitialSlot = googletag.defineOutOfPageSlot('/17085479/redcafe_gam_interstitial', googletag.enums.OutOfPageFormat.INTERSTITIAL); if (interstitialSlot) { interstitialSlot.addService(googletag.pubads()); } });

Club Sale | It’s done!

Status
Not open for further replies.

MTF

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
5,243
Location
New York City
Not unless we start fudging thr books like city did. We've spent the last ten years with an albatross around our necks, they've drained money from the club, they've made terrible managerial appointments (until ten hag) and we had Ed Woodward as ceo. Even with the Glazers bleeding us dry we've spent almost as much as city, they might inject a bit of their own cash, but we generate enough that they won't really need to
Everyone says this, and yet no one knows. They certainly haven't been circumspect when it comes to PSG, splunking absolutely huge amounts on players in positions they don't need, all to compete in Ligue 1. There were certainly lower cost ways to do the whole PSG project, that might have been more successful, and yet they did what they did.
 

mu4c_20le

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Messages
44,732
It's a figure of speech
Even so, it's literally the only reason people are objecting, and a fairly big one. Its like saying besides being greedy leeches, the Glazers aren't actually all that bad, they let us spend our own money and are generally patient with managers.
 

clarkydaz

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2013
Messages
13,472
Location
manchester
For me its the opposite. This season has been genuinely exciting and promising after a long period of doom and gloom. However if we are bought by some despotic state that will certainly take away most of the excitement. History would anyway give all the credit of any future success in the coming years to the dirty money.
where do you draw the line between the club's money and fake money?
 

TheReligion

Abusive
Joined
Nov 22, 2006
Messages
51,511
Location
Manchester
Will there be any stipulations like keeping United on their current managerial trajectory?
Or will it be take the money and run?
For all we know, the Qataris might jettison Ten Hag and get Zidane in and spend billions making a mess of the current upward trajectory.
Who knows?
What I DO know is that Ten Hag is doing something incredibly right and he should be part of any sale
No one knows anything do they but what you say sounds very unlikely
 

Telsim

Full Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2021
Messages
5,011
Will there be any stipulations like keeping United on their current managerial trajectory?
Or will it be take the money and run?
For all we know, the Qataris might jettison Ten Hag and get Zidane in and spend billions making a mess of the current upward trajectory.
Who knows?
What I DO know is that Ten Hag is doing something incredibly right and he should be part of any sale
For all we know, absolutely any owner might do that.
 

jm99

New Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2011
Messages
4,667
For me its the opposite. This season has been genuinely exciting and promising after a long period of doom and gloom. However if we are bought by some despotic state that will certainly take away most of the excitement. History would anyway give all the credit of any future success in the coming years to the dirty money.
But we are a genuinely rich and self sustaining club, that's been saddled with the Glazers. Other fans still attribute our success under Fergie to Howard Webb ffs, who cares what they say?
 

mu4c_20le

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Messages
44,732
For all we know, absolutely any owner might do that.
Investment consortiums more interested in making money and making top 4 every year are far less likely than sugar daddies treating the club like a personal toy.
 

MTF

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
5,243
Location
New York City
They aren’t stupid and I’m sure they will avoid self-sabotage.
They're wasteful as feck, there's more evidence for that than "they aren't stupid". Bribed their way to get a WC, overpaid for all the infrastructure needed, have spent truckloads at PSG and managed to not win Ligue 1 in a few of the seasons.
 

strandty

Full Member
Joined
Apr 13, 2007
Messages
1,632
With TeamViewer looking to get out, a Qatar takeover opens the door for someone like Qatar Airways to sponsor us, on better terms than TV. A 10% increase or what not would be completely understandable given our recent form and recovery without any questions being asked.
 

Jev

Full Member
Joined
Apr 7, 2008
Messages
8,101
Location
Denmark
For me its the opposite. This season has been genuinely exciting and promising after a long period of doom and gloom. However if we are bought by some despotic state that will certainly take away most of the excitement. History would anyway give all the credit of any future success in the coming years to the dirty money.
I genuinely don't understand how any United fan who has been calling Chelsea and City plastic clubs for years can be rooting for fecking Saudi blood money. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
 

jm99

New Member
Joined
Apr 18, 2011
Messages
4,667
Even so, it's literally the only reason people are objecting, and a fairly big one. Its like saying besides being greedy leeches, the Glazers aren't actually all that bad, they let us spend our own money and are generally patient with managers.
Yeah I know, which is why I said when you put that concern aside, the football side of things is going to be great. Personally it doesn't bother me that much, yes these states commit awful offences but as much of that is down to the society and religion still having such a big hold, as it is the rulers. Them partnering with the west is likely to lead to progress and things getting better, as women have recently got more rights in Saudi Arabia than they ever had before. Its not something that will happen overnight, probably take 20-30 years for real meaningful progress in lgbt rights, but when we were still a religious society homosexuality was illegal here, treating them like pariah states will make them more insular, not less, and certainly won't improve things for anyone in those countries
 

Telsim

Full Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2021
Messages
5,011
Investment consortiums more interested in making money and making top 4 every year are far less likely than sugar daddies treating the club like a personal toy.
More conjecture. And if making top 4 every year is the goal, then we are screwed anyway.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
37,331
I genuinely don't understand how any United fan who has been calling Chelsea and City plastic clubs for years can be rooting for fecking Saudi blood money. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
Having oil money didn’t make them plastic
 

dove

New Member
Joined
May 15, 2013
Messages
7,899
I genuinely don't understand how any United fan who has been calling Chelsea and City plastic clubs for years can be rooting for fecking Saudi blood money. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
I don’t think you know what plastic means.
 

C'est Moi Cantona

Full Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2014
Messages
8,899
The summer window could be fun then, we might actually get some decent players in for once
Last summer was great, and tbh I'm not too bothered about us going mad in the transfer window, a top striker and decent midfielder will be ok, the infrastructure is where it's at.
 

OldSchoolManc

Full Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2018
Messages
2,777
They're wasteful as feck, there's more evidence for that than "they aren't stupid". Bribed their way to get a WC, overpaid for all the infrastructure needed, have spent truckloads at PSG and managed to not win Ligue 1 in a few of the seasons.
Well said. I’m concerned that it will all be ‘for show’.
After all, that is what the end goal is for them - sportswashing. Making their regime ‘seem’ modern whilst continuing to oppress people in their own country.
It could be all about the glossy show they want to present with superstars that don’t actually gel as a team, much like the bollox that is PSG
 

Mickeza

still gets no respect
Joined
Aug 21, 2012
Messages
14,122
Location
Deepthroating information to Howard Nurse.
I genuinely don't understand how any United fan who has been calling Chelsea and City plastic clubs for years can be rooting for fecking Saudi blood money. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
Where would City be without the money invested by UAE? Where will Manchester United be in 5 years whether it’s Qatar or Ratcliffe? The size of the club, it’s history and revenues means we will compete towards the top regardless as we have still done under owners who have leached 1.5bn out of the club. City are entirely dependent - we aren’t. They’re clearly entirely different things. And for the record I want Jim.
 

crossy1686

career ending
Joined
Jun 5, 2010
Messages
32,015
Location
Manchester/Stockholm
Last summer was great, and tbh I'm not too bothered about us going mad in the transfer window, a top striker and decent midfielder will be ok, the infrastructure is where it's at.
I don't want us to go mad, I just want us to get the targets we want to get instead of settling for Burnley strikers on loan or free transfers of players that were formally once dead.
 

Rawls

You'll never find, that microfilm of mine
Joined
Aug 25, 2016
Messages
700
There is so much incorrect stuff being said on this thread, it's doing my head in.

1. RICH OWNERS DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN SPEND MORE!!! Our binding constraint is FSR, which essentially means our expenditure must be linked to our revenue. Owners can't just pump in money willy-nilly. And with City being charged by the PL with 115 offences, creating articifical streams of income isn't exactly a good idea. Besides, despite what people like to say, spending money under the Glazers has never been a problem; the problem has been spending money BADLY.

2. IF YOU THINK THE GLAZERS ARE CNUTS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE QATARIS??? I mean, if how you think very little of the Glazers, have you ever considered that the Qataris aren't exactly Mother Teresa?

3. The Saudis here are inconsequential, they were outbid for Chelsea by Boehly.

4. I'm not saying he buys Utd but if Sir Jim does, it won't be a Leveraged Buy-Out. Instead, Ineos will take out a loan and purchase Utd. The risk sits entirely with Ineos, not with Utd. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or deeply misinformed.
 

cyberman

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2010
Messages
37,331
Don't pretend like United fans haven't been on the high horse saying they bought their success. We both know we have.
Yeah but it’s not because they have money. It’s because money is all they have. Literally mid table teams with money.
That’s why they’re plastic
 

r3idy

Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018
Joined
Jul 7, 2012
Messages
1,321
Location
Near Old Trafford
So will this be done by bank transfer or PayPal? If it's done by PayPal, them feckers can sometimes hold the money for 30 days for dodgy transactions !!!
 

Adam-Utd

Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid
Joined
Sep 10, 2010
Messages
39,954
There is so much incorrect stuff being said on this thread, it's doing my head in.

1. RICH OWNERS DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN SPEND MORE!!! Our binding constraint is FSR, which essentially means our expenditure must be linked to our revenue. Owners can't just pump in money willy-nilly. And with City being charged by the PL with 115 offences, creating articifical streams of income isn't exactly a good idea. Besides, despite what people like to say, spending money under the Glazers has never been a problem; the problem has been spending money BADLY.
not completely true, you can spend as much as you want on youth and training ground/equipment etc and not be effected by FFP

We could challenge for the best youth players across the world, we can build a top of the line world class training ground (with a new pool)

Will Ineos really be funding us to the tip top spec? i'm not sure.
 

Wumminator

The Qatar Pounder
Joined
May 8, 2008
Messages
22,987
Location
Obertans #1 fan.
One of the things most baffling in this thread is the idea that Liverpool fans would be gutted. Maybe gutted their rivals are just a play thing, but I think they’ll be ecstatic overall. I’d piss myself (but feel slightly sorry for the fanbase) if Liverpool were owned by Qatar.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.