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It was a good jokeYeah i just thought it was a bit funny that you wanted to avoid oil money by going with a company that deals in oil.
It was a good jokeYeah i just thought it was a bit funny that you wanted to avoid oil money by going with a company that deals in oil.
They are absolutely not more important than any other supporter. In fact I would go to the lengths that our huge financial power is thanks to the global fans not the locals.Do we really have people claiming the fans at the games are not the most important fans? Is that where we are in this debate?
Right but my point is look at Abramovich, he buys a club that he has no links to (wasn't he going to buy spurs if they got CL) he invests a shitload and they win the league. Ratcliffe's previous football enterprises don't fill me with optimism. You can have hope that it's about a legacy, but the best judge is actual experience, and actual experience tells us that he hasn't done the best jobAnd all that so they can buy lavish yachts, expensive homes, and fund some daft hobbies or daft business. For the likes of Ballmer & Abramovich, it was/is sports teams, for Bransen it’s been “space travel”, for Musk it’s his favourite social media app etc.
Hell, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Julian Robertson jr. John Arnold, Amos Hostetter Jr., Gordon Moore, and Lynn Schusterman are among the most philanthropic billionaires, giving away 20% or more of their wealth.
So how do we stick to football without sticking to football?It obviously isn't only about football, so I don't see why we should do that.
Ratcliffe is in the ground in a few years and the fact he's a fan won't matter anymore for the corporate leeches.Any of Qatar or Ratcliffe is 100000% better than now.
Now think about why we got that global fanbase and who was there every week supporting the club through all the dark times. When Fergie took over United we were a sleeping giant. We remained a big club thanks to our loyal match going fans.They are absolutely not more important than any other supporter. In fact I would go to the lengths that our huge financial power is thanks to the global fans not the locals.
I don't understand the question. Has anyone said that we have to stick to football?So how do we stick to football without sticking to football?
I'm really not worried about this. The only people who are pushing the negative voice are the press.As a United fan base we really need to be careful here.
If the people who don’t want Qatar based on non football reasons get enough of a voice and shout loud enough I can see it not happening and if that’s the case you will have a huge number of fans seriously pissed off that we had one opportunity to really get back to the top of the game and blew it based on political reasoning.
We won’t come back from the wrong ownership, we’ll be stuck with whoever it is for the next 10/20 years some of us may not see new owners after this. I’m young enough that I might but others not.
If we don’t get it right and go for the best sporting project and opportunity we won’t be winning another title champions league for decades.
Make no mistake opportunities like this do not come often , think about Manchester United and what the club is and was and why we fell in love with it. Share that passion and hope we can be a conduit of change in those regions.
Absolutely,They are absolutely not more important than any other supporter. In fact I would go to the lengths that our huge financial power is thanks to the global fans not the locals.
What is the club now?Ratcliffe is in the ground in a few years and the fact he's a fan won't matter anymore for the corporate leeches.
Qatar is by far the worst choice. What people fail to remember is this is a working man's club based on values that are becoming harder and harder to find these days. We're not Man City for a state to buy us for some random social experiment.
I'd rather be in the fecking ground than see the mother fecking qatari own this.
State or any Qatari? be specific.Ratcliffe is in the ground in a few years and the fact he's a fan won't matter anymore for the corporate leeches.
Qatar is by far the worst choice. What people fail to remember is this is a working man's club based on values that are becoming harder and harder to find these days. We're not Man City for a state to buy us for some random social experiment.
I'd rather be in the fecking ground than see the mother fecking qatari own this.
Musk gave away $2 billion worth of Tesla shares to chatity the other day which didn't seem to get much coverageAnd all that so they can buy lavish yachts, expensive homes, and fund some daft hobbies or daft business. For the likes of Ballmer & Abramovich, it was/is sports teams, for Bransen it’s been “space travel”, for Musk it’s his favourite social media app etc.
Hell, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Julian Robertson jr. John Arnold, Amos Hostetter Jr., Gordon Moore, and Lynn Schusterman are among the most philanthropic billionaires, giving away 20% or more of their wealth.
Think age is a big factor in this as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a general correlation between age and support for Ratcliffe.I'm really not worried about this. The only people who are pushing the negative voice are the press.
All the polls that I've seen, other than The Athletic's, have the fans wanting Qatar over SJR, or any other potential suitor.
That's fair (we don't need to see the tiresome arguments about iPhones and whatnot over and over again).Correct, but we shouldn't stray too far off the central topic. Whenever we do, there will be a reminder to reign things back in.
What are you saying here? Which age demographic isn't being considered in these polls?Think age is a big factor in this as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a general correlation between age and support for Ratcliffe.
He's no match for the other fella in that department, it must be said.Why does Ratcliffe's age matter to some people anyway? Even ignoring that he's a billionaire with access to the best medical care available, he has kids to pass his company down to.
Roman bought a big CL London club in the biggest league in the World, not quite the same as Nice like?Right but my point is look at Abramovich, he buys a club that he has no links to (wasn't he going to buy spurs if they got CL) he invests a shitload and they win the league. Ratcliffe's previous football enterprises don't fill me with optimism. You can have hope that it's about a legacy, but the best judge is actual experience, and actual experience tells us that he hasn't done the best job
Not in the short term I don't think. It wouldn't make any sense to me given the figures involved. Any dividend coming out of United is a drop in the ocean compared to the debt they'll take on. Their focus will likely be on growing the asset rather than taking Glazer-style dividends.Yeah that's definitely a pipe-dream because unfortunately Ratcliffe isn't a British Abramovich so will want ROI
Kinell, no hyperbole here. And it's not like Liverpool did it all without the cheat code money, and Arsenal look close to doing the same.If we don’t get it right and go for the best sporting project and opportunity we won’t be winning another title champions league for decades.
and?? the global fans are the reason we are big.Now think about why we got that global fanbase and who was there every week supporting the club through all the dark times. When Fergie took over United we were a sleeping giant. We remained a big club thanks to our loyal match going fans.
The anti American sentiment in this thread grows bolder.So seriously speaking, what is our best option?
- Qatar is fecking qatar
- Americans are mostly leeches and idiots
- Rattclife is basically an undercover American like Richard Hammond
- Glazers seem to not give a feck anymore or not have enough money to take us further
- Musk is a madman
However you look at it, we're in deep shit.
A mod literally just posted before mine saying “Football”.I don't understand the question. Has anyone said that we have to stick to football?
(In this thread, I mean.)
If the Qataris buy us then that is diminished, we become a tool for a state to increase their power base and influence and any success will feel a lot more vacuous. Buying us also won't be a conduit for change, especially given that such a large proportion of our fanbase seem so desperate for them to come in just so we can have some shiny new signings that I doubt there's going to be real pressure on them to make any sort of change if they get the shiny signings. We don't need a lottery win to be successful again, we need competence. Whether the Qataris, Ratcliffe or any other prospective bidder have that competence is the real question.As a United fan base we really need to be careful here.
If the people who don’t want Qatar based on non football reasons get enough of a voice and shout loud enough I can see it not happening and if that’s the case you will have a huge number of fans seriously pissed off that we had one opportunity to really get back to the top of the game and blew it based on political reasoning.
We won’t come back from the wrong ownership, we’ll be stuck with whoever it is for the next 10/20 years some of us may not see new owners after this. I’m young enough that I might but others not.
If we don’t get it right and go for the best sporting project and opportunity we won’t be winning another title champions league for decades.
Make no mistake opportunities like this do not come often, think about Manchester United and what the club is and was and why we fell in love with it. Share that passion and hope we can be a conduit of change in those regions.
It boils my blood too. This arrogant condescending look on the foreign supporters is disgusting.Absolutely,
OT holds 75k where 65k are season ticket holders?
There are hundreds of millions of dedicated supporters worldwide that live and breathe United on a daily basis hanging on every thread of information and content.
Those who can afford to or are lucky enough to live close enough to see United play live are LUCKY. There are people in the darkest most remote parts of the world using United , watching via dodgy streams at 4am as escapism.
Boils my blood when I hear bullshit like “local fans are more important”.
I think spending a large initial amount to make them a top 3 club in France, then use the additional tv revenues from the CL to keep them there, plus the occasional investment from him makes them a far more attractive proposition.Roman bought a big CL London club in the biggest league in the World, not quite the same as Nice like?
You think spunking 500m into Nice would’ve shown him a good owner, I think the exact opposite.
Absolutely,
OT holds 75k where 65k are season ticket holders?
There are hundreds of millions of dedicated supporters worldwide that live and breathe United on a daily basis hanging on every thread of information and content.
Those who can afford to or are lucky enough to live close enough to see United play live are LUCKY. There are people in the darkest most remote parts of the world using United , watching via dodgy streams at 4am as escapism.
Boils my blood when I hear bullshit like “local fans are more important”.
I just cannot understand how anyone can view football this way. It makes a lot of sense that you support the Qatari bid if this is how you view the footballing world.and?? the global fans are the reason we are big.
Back to the same point. Both are important and equally important, but from an financial point of view (the most important in football now) the global fans are more important.
As Gary Neville said, is it not better to try and integrate these places into the western world and reforms etc will most likely follow? I think it’s pretty likely that will happen in the next 50 years or so.If the Qataris buy us then that is diminished, we become a tool for a state to increase their power base and influence and any success will feel a lot more vacuous. Buying us also won't be a conduit for change, especially given that such a large proportion of our fanbase seem so desperate for them to come in just so we can have some shiny new signings that I doubt there's going to be real pressure on them to make any sort of change if they get the shiny signings. We don't need a lottery win to be successful again, we need competence. Whether the Qataris, Ratcliffe or any other prospective bidder have that competence is the real question.
Chelsea were not a big CL club when he bought themRoman bought a big CL London club in the biggest league in the World, not quite the same as Nice like?
You think spunking 500m into Nice would’ve shown him a good owner, I think the exact opposite.
The thing is, today, the tv rights for the Nordics alone is worth €20m per team per season, with a pop. of 28m. That is twice as much as the domestic Sky deal paid in 1997. Go back 20 years, and the Nordic TV deal was just worth peanuts.The only way the value of Manchester United will have kept up with the economy as a whole, is if sky starts charging about £3000 a year
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Yeah, but see above: they clearly aren't saying "only purely football related aspects should be discussed here". And rightly so, because that would be absurd. We all know why people are against a potential Qatari takeover: for some people (very few) it has something to do with worrying about them being bad (meddling, Galactico obsessed, etc.) owners in a purely football sense, yes. For the vast majority - clearly not: again, it's obvious why they're against it and it has virtually nothing to do with football.A mod literally just posted before mine saying “Football”.
Exactly this.As Gary Neville said, is it not better to try and integrate these places into the western world and reforms etc will most likely follow? I think it’s pretty likely that will happen in the next 50 years or so.
I have no bias, I’ve said multiple times I’ll wait for more concrete detail before having an opinion on the best bid.
Me personally? Probably not.How should we interpret this ? Do you think the Qataris will up their bid to 6 ?
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Me neither. And if this true, the Glazers appear to be deliberately pricing themselves out of a sale.Me personally? Probably not.